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hckyplayer8 01-23-2012 03:46 PM

Horton Diagnosed With a Mild Concussion
 
Every angle I have seen it looks like a clean hit.

Blindside? Yes.
Head? No.
Little late? Eh.

Either way should be an interesting fuel to the Flyer VS Bruins rivalry that has exploded since we embarrassed them in the 2010 playoffs.

MOD EDIT:

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/bruin...ild-concussion

Quote:

“I don’t have an official update other than I think it’s a mild concussion from what I heard and what I saw last night,” Chiarelli said. “I talked to him again today and these things are day-to-day. It may not be, there’s that gray area between when you take your impact tests and you see how it is the next day, the following day and then you make that determination. He’s in that gray area.”

Early in the second period of Sunday’s shootout victory over Philadelphia, Flyers forward Tom Sestito came in with a high hit on Horton. Horton stayed in the game for the rest of the period but sat out the third.

Horton, of course, suffered a severe concussion in Game 3 of last year's Stanley Cup finals and missed the rest of the series. He struggled at the beginning of this season and admitted that effects of the concussion may have been partly to blame.
January 25 Boston Herald

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/h...64&format=text

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WASHINGTON — Forty-six games into the season, Bruins [team stats] winger Nathan Horton had not missed a single game — despite returning from a devastating concussion suffered in Game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals last June.

It was an injury that made it impossible for Horton to do his normal offseason routine. Yet he was one of just six B’s who’d played every game.

Last night, Horton finally sat out, still feeling the effects of a mild concussion suffered Sunday on a hit from the Flyers’ Tom Sestito — an unpenalized hit that was looked at by the league, but not deemed worthy of a suspension.

“He’s doing as good as he can for a guy with a mild concussion,” Bruins coach Claude Julien said before his team dropped a mistake-filled 5-3 decision to the Capitals. “He didn’t skate (yesterday). He’s still suffering from mild headaches. Concussions, as we’ve always talked about, are day-to-day. Hopefully by the end of this five-day (All-Star) break we’ll have the news we want to hear.”

Rich Peverley moved up into Horton’s right wing spot on the line with David Krejci and Milan Lucic. But Julien did some line juggling, especially after Krejci blocked a shot with his ankle early in the game and missed most of the first period. He returned later and finished the game fine.

FreshPerspective 01-23-2012 03:48 PM

Jeesh...what an epidemic....I missed the hit. Anybody have a clip they can post?

Beef Invictus 01-23-2012 03:51 PM

Yep, at about 25 seconds:


Flyerfan4life 01-23-2012 03:53 PM

anyone else think they are handing out concuss. injury's to easily ???


its not like anything this year is different from previous recent years in terms of how hockey is played.

but suddenly it seems like if anyone gets contacted remotely hard, its a automatic concuss. injury

perhaps the league is trying to backdoor in some forced changes, and this is how they go about showing its required.

hckyplayer8 01-23-2012 03:54 PM

http://youtu.be/dz707r9mEyk

Go to the 20 sec mark.

I should note I haven't been able to find an definitive news release that he has a concussion. I received a nasty gram from one of my friends who is a Broon fan lol.

I will say for a concussed player, he sure gets up quickly and wants to fight.

orange is better 01-23-2012 03:56 PM

I feel bad for Horton and hope his career isn't affected by multiple concussions.

However, the hit was clean in the sense that it was body on body. It was not high, nor was the head targeted. Could it have been a little late? Maybe but it's debatable. Was It a "blind side hit" maybe, but this is also debatable.

I don't think sestitos intention was to injure Horton, and while I wouldn't be surprised to see a minor suspension based of the notion that it may have been late/blind sided, anything more than a couple games would be overkill and a mistake in my opinion.

Giroux tha Damaja 01-23-2012 03:58 PM

It was pretty late. Not a good hit IMO.

hckyplayer8 01-23-2012 03:58 PM

I think its important to remember that lateral hits are not illegal. Lateral hits to the head are.

I can't see anything coming out of this except more Gummy Bear fan rage and conspiracy.

litflyersfan 01-23-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hckyplayer8 (Post 42976997)
Every angle I have seen it looks like a clean hit.

Blindside? Yes.
Head? No.
Little late? Eh.

Either way should be an interesting fuel to the Flyer VS Bruins rivalry that has exploded since we embarrassed them in the 2010 playoffs.

Looked alot like JVR hit without the elbow to the head. No idea how Horton gets a concussion on that. He got right back up and decided to cheapshot Sestito with a crosscheck. Was it from the Bourdon crosscheck to the back smacking Horton's head straight into the glass. That'd be my guess.

orange is better 01-23-2012 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giroux tha Damaja (Post 42977535)
It was pretty late. Not a good hit IMO.

It could have been a bit late, but not late enough to classify it as malicious in my eyes. It was pretty close.

AndyPipkin 01-23-2012 04:02 PM

The hit isn't late. Going by what the league has deemed acceptable in the past that is well within the time frame for a legal hit.

Jtown 01-23-2012 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 42977197)
Yep, at about 25 seconds:


So, Ive timed it with my stopwatch. it was .5 seconds from when the puck left horton's stick until he was hit. That may seem like not a lot of time but it was enough for Sesitito to avoid the hit.

Bernie Parent 1974 01-23-2012 04:15 PM

the contact with Horton was clearly an 'awkward hit':

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1086625

hckyplayer8 01-23-2012 04:16 PM

Nathan Horton is most likely suffering from a mild concussion, said GM Peter Chiarelli. Horton, who attended today's White House ceremony, was hurt in yesterday?s second period when he was hit from the side by Philadelphia's Tom Sestito.

Horton is doubtful for tomorrow's game against Washington, Chiarelli said.

@GlobeFluto

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/..._horton_m.html

MiamiScreamingEagles 01-23-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hckyplayer8 (Post 42978555)
Nathan Horton is most likely suffering from a mild concussion, said GM Peter Chiarelli. Horton, who attended today's White House ceremony, was hurt in yesterday?s second period when he was hit from the side by Philadelphia's Tom Sestito.

Horton is doubtful for tomorrow's game against Washington, Chiarelli said.

@GlobeFluto

http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/..._horton_m.html

The OP was previously edited to provide a link.

sa cyred 01-23-2012 04:29 PM

Honestly? I think its a pretty clean hit.

AndyPipkin 01-23-2012 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jtown (Post 42978051)
So, Ive timed it with my stopwatch. it was .5 seconds from when the puck left horton's stick until he was hit. That may seem like not a lot of time but it was enough for Sesitito to avoid the hit.

He doesn't have too. .5 seconds is well within the "legal limit" that the NHL has always enforced.

kicksave27 01-23-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyerfan4life (Post 42977285)
anyone else think they are handing out concuss. injury's to easily ???


its not like anything this year is different from previous recent years in terms of how hockey is played.

but suddenly it seems like if anyone gets contacted remotely hard, its a automatic concuss. injury

perhaps the league is trying to backdoor in some forced changes, and this is how they go about showing its required.

NO!

As someone who suffers from post concussion syndrome on a daily basis because "I just got my bell rung" during my 15 years of playing hockey. They are absolutely doing the right thing. Did players back in the day play through them, yes? Keith Primeau still has problems to this day. Guys missing games isn't the end of world, compared to them having serious mental issues later in life ranging from dementia to Parkinsons, depression. Concussions are the injury that keeps on giving long after you finish your playing days. It's not like a broken bone. The NHL is absolutely doing the right thing when it comes to treating players once they are concussed. They don't hold people out as a result of hard hits, they hold them out because they have symptoms. If you watch 24/7, it gives you a good idea of how they deal with it.

It also seems that once you've had one, it's easier to get another one. Horton & crosby definitely are examples of that. My last concussion was 2 years after i stopped playing, I just bumped my head on table after reaching down to pick something up. I have trouble finding words, headaches and I'm only 32! It scares me and i'm sure it scares pronger to where you never know if you are going to be 100% well again.

Rooooooooooxxxanne* 01-23-2012 05:45 PM

Beautiful and clean hit.

RespectTheCouts 01-23-2012 05:59 PM

Those announcers are trolling there for some "justice" when last I checked the Bruins are the ones getting suspened for illegal hits, no?

Amateur Hour 01-23-2012 08:04 PM

The hit's a little late, but Horton was caught admiring his pass. Again.

MountainHawk 01-23-2012 08:12 PM

Honestly, I think the hit where he jumped into the defenseman behind the net was more borderline than this one. This hit shows the lack of respect for his opponents that is parto f what you get for Sestito, but it is (stupidly, IMO) not illegal.

flyingsouth 01-23-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kicksave27 (Post 42980023)
NO!

As someone who suffers from post concussion syndrome on a daily basis because "I just got my bell rung" during my 15 years of playing hockey. They are absolutely doing the right thing. Did players back in the day play through them, yes? Keith Primeau still has problems to this day. Guys missing games isn't the end of world, compared to them having serious mental issues later in life ranging from dementia to Parkinsons, depression. Concussions are the injury that keeps on giving long after you finish your playing days. It's not like a broken bone. The NHL is absolutely doing the right thing when it comes to treating players once they are concussed. They don't hold people out as a result of hard hits, they hold them out because they have symptoms. If you watch 24/7, it gives you a good idea of how they deal with it.

It also seems that once you've had one, it's easier to get another one. Horton & crosby definitely are examples of that. My last concussion was 2 years after i stopped playing, I just bumped my head on table after reaching down to pick something up. I have trouble finding words, headaches and I'm only 32! It scares me and i'm sure it scares pronger to where you never know if you are going to be 100% well again.

Good post. It's interesting to hear yr POV on the current situation as you are forced to live with this affliction. If the league and the game as a whole must take these measures to prevent this happening to more players in the future, so be it.

Thanks again for this post and here's hoping that you get clear of it.

BernieParent 01-23-2012 09:54 PM

I don't see late; as AndyPipkin wrote,even a second after puck possession should be acceptable. And I don't see blindside; Sestito hit him in the chest, as shown if you freeze it at 24 seconds. And I don't see high either.

Any suspension is reactionary to the injury, and an appeasement to the Bruins.

Suspended4Life 01-24-2012 09:12 AM

Late hit: no
High hit: no...hit him in in the chest
Blind hit: eh...hard to say, Horton actually kind of turns toward Sestito right before he gets hit

In my opinion it could have been called a penalty maybe (refs always seem to come up with stupid calls - charging, roughing, etc at inappropriate times) but it's certainly not suspension worthy.

I love how every hit is a "hit up high" to these Boston announcers. Both Hartnell and Schenn's hits both were textbook legal hits.


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