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Undertakerqc 01-31-2012 09:21 AM

According to one random NHL 'man', AK not a very interesting player to them
 
Nice article by Mathias Brunet, according to many GM, Ak is not worth much cause he is not a player you can rely on. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS2

Tuggy 01-31-2012 09:27 AM

I'd rather keep him anyway. I like the way him and Eller play together.

FrankMTL 01-31-2012 09:28 AM

Thats fine, that means his market value won't be too high so we can keep him for less. I wouldn't mind keeping AK if he's good for about 20 goals a year. Don't want to pay him more then he's making now however..I would prefer he make closer to 3 to be honest though.

Andy 01-31-2012 09:31 AM

That's good, I don't want him traded anyway.

llamateizer 01-31-2012 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Patofqc (Post 43324061)
Nice article by Mathias Brunet, according to many GM, Ak is not worth much cause he is not a player you can rely on. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS2

Bust

but i'm unsure Lebrun talked to GM

I think he talked to Scouts
"J'ai dis a mon boss" "I told my boss"
"répond le premier dépisteur" "the first scout answered"

habs03 01-31-2012 09:34 AM

I kinda, AK is best suited for a 3rd line role, but can play the PP and set into a top 6 role if needed in case on injury. I think a lot more ppl are appreciating AK more this year because we are not depending on him be our go to guy, I think that has a lot to do with the play of Cole and Patches.

I remember I was sooo disappointed in the 09-10 playoffs, when throughout 3 rounds, he had only 3 goals, and they all came in 1 game.

But now he is playing in a secondary role and we can get him re-signed for a good price I say lets re-up him for 3 more years.

onice 01-31-2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Patofqc (Post 43324061)
Nice article by Mathias Brunet, according to many GM, Ak is not worth much cause he is not a player you can rely on. http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS2

Funny, that article was in French and you had trouble understanding it. Maybe because your hate for that one player is getting in the way of your comprehension. Or maybe you're not a Francophone.

Two people were approached for the article - nowhere does it say they were GMs to start off. Brunet refers to them as hockey men - that probably means scouts. Secondly one of them didn't like Andrei but the second saw Andrei as the best of the lot (Gill, Moen, Weber).

Learn to read before you create BS threads.

Habsolument 01-31-2012 09:42 AM

Oh, how am I not surprised to see that you of all people would bring this article up on here. The article itself is interesting. But the way you present it though... I knew I shouldn't of underestimated your troll skills.

For those who cannot read french, this is what's really in Matthias Brunet's article.

He reached out to 2 men working in hockey ("répond au bout du fil un homme de hockey d'un club de l'Association de l'Est."). They are probably NHL scouts or something. So these opinions are not "according to many GMs". And while one man said that he didn't like AK much because of his inconsistency, the other one said that he had pretty good value (possibly a 2nd round pick) because there aren't that many scorers available to teams that want to make a push for the SC.

Habs 4 Life 01-31-2012 09:42 AM

Good then we can sign him for cheap

Richiebottles 01-31-2012 09:43 AM

Fine. We can keep him...

Habs 4 Life 01-31-2012 09:46 AM

A couple of interesting quotes

et certains directeurs généraux qui vivent dans le passé...»

Gainey and company IMO are one of them

«Je ne veux pas critiquer personne, répond le premier dépisteur, mais je ne comprends pas pourquoi le Canadien a acquis Tomas Kaberle alors qu'il avait déjà Weber dans ses rangs...»

Yet some defend this move

Gustave 01-31-2012 09:46 AM

Je pris à tous les soirs pour que les Nordiques reviennent pour pu avoir à endurer des osties de faux-fans dans le genre.

Pardon my french...

Young Gun 01-31-2012 09:47 AM

My guess is he already had some idea what his value was before he said he would stay for less in montreal. Not a lot of teams want him, and you can't blame them, like i said many times here, ak shows up only when he want's to.
Anyway, sign him for a little more than half his current salary should be ok, if not, let him walk (it's what i would prefer) he's not going to help a team win anything

Andy 01-31-2012 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 43324667)

«Je ne veux pas critiquer personne, répond le premier dépisteur, mais je ne comprends pas pourquoi le Canadien a acquis Tomas Kaberle alors qu'il avait déjà Weber dans ses rangs...»

Yet some defend this move

Too bad this hockey guy doesn't realize that Weber sucks.

Habs 4 Life 01-31-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 43324741)
Too bad this hockey guy doesn't realize that Weber sucks.

Yup he sucks, yet he has been one of the Habs best D in the past playoffs and his always played like a yo-yo. Hey Yannick go play forward tonight

I'm sure the Guy realizes how pathetic Kaberle and his contract is though

onice 01-31-2012 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 43324741)
Too bad this hockey guy doesn't realize that Weber sucks.

Which may explain why he's only a hockey man and not a GM.

Andy 01-31-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 43324813)
Yup he sucks, yet he has been one of the Habs best D in the past playoffs and his always played like a yo-yo. Hey Yannick go play forward tonight

I'm sure the Guy realizes how pathetic Kaberle and his contract is though

But that is not what the guy spoke about. He spoke about how he didn't understand the deal considering they have Weber.

Considering the defense this year, if Weber was good enough, he'd be playing back there, but most of the team he is more terrible than he is good.

Habs 4 Life 01-31-2012 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 43324887)
But that is not what the guy spoke about. He spoke about how he didn't understand the deal considering they have Weber.

Considering the defense this year, if Weber was good enough, he'd be playing back there, but most of the team he is more terrible than he is good.

Weber should have been given a final chance, not just a few games here and there and mistakes are part of a learning thing for these guys at their age. There was no reason for Gauthier to trade for Kaberle we had enough D and Campoli was on his way back. Anyways that's another story.

Patty Roy 01-31-2012 09:56 AM

This news doesn't surprise me one bit. As far as playoff rentals go i get why teams would have more interest in Moen and Gill than AK. You definitely know what you are going to get on a night in night out basis with the first two more than you do with AK.

Anybody who thinks we can get a 1st for AK is living in fantasy land.

Andy 01-31-2012 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Habs 4 Life (Post 43324947)
Weber should have been given a final chance, not just a few games here and there and mistakes are part of a learning thing for these guys at their age. There was no reason for Gauthier to trade for Kaberle we had enough D and Campoli was on his way back. Anyways that's another story.

He's been given many chances. He played pretty consistently at the beginning of the year when Emelin was being consistently sat and Spacek and Campoli were out. Outside 5 games, he has been terrible.

Second, this isn't a thread about the Kaberle trade and 3rd, now you are using arguments the "hockey man" hasn't even said. The man said he didn't understand the trade considering they had weber. Weber has been terrible and has been given enough chances.

BeerHell 01-31-2012 09:58 AM

What I don't get is why two teams paid two years in a row a second round pick for Dominic Moore.
But they Say at best Moen is worth a 3rd and AK a 2nd.
does dominic Moore bring as nuch as AK and so much more than Moen?

S Bah 01-31-2012 09:59 AM

But of course the GM is telling the absolute truth,so that everyone is aware of the little worth our players have around the league at this time of year. Particularly the value of both Weber and Kaberle,for a team lacking firepower on their 2nd PP!:sarcasm:

Habs 4 Life 01-31-2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andy (Post 43324979)
He's been given many chances. He played pretty consistently at the beginning of the year when Emelin was being consistently sat and Spacek and Campoli were out. Outside 5 games, he has been terrible.

Second, this isn't a thread about the Kaberle trade and 3rd, now you are using arguments the "hockey man" hasn't even said. The man said he didn't understand the trade considering they had weber. Weber has been terrible and has been given enough chances.

No he hasn't but anyways I agree this is another subject and not related to this story

Andy 01-31-2012 10:02 AM

Also, I agree with the article that Gill and Moen's value is around a 3rd round pick. I'd be really shocked if they got back 2nds, but you never know.

MathMan 01-31-2012 10:04 AM

AK's always struck me as the kind of player a savvy GM steals from a less-capable GM. He's productive, able to handle tough minutes or kill soft ones, making him a very useful player. But he has a reputation as an underachiever and for being lazy and inconsistent, which reduces his trade value.


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