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prob22 02-08-2012 09:26 AM

Do yo still believe Brayden Schenn can be a top line center?
 
Im glad to see that this kid has really started to pick up his play after his first few inury riddled months. Unfortunatley it still seems like a lot of people believe Schenns potential ceiling is a lot lower then originally believed. Can Schenn still live up to the crazy hype he had coming into this year?

DLJB 02-08-2012 09:33 AM

as long as G is here, Schenn will not be a top line center because he will not have top line center minutes. Once Briere's contract is up, he will be fighting with Couts for the #2 job. Honestly I would rather trade Schenn for an up and coming top pairing Dman instead of seing him being wasted on our third/fourth line. Just my two cents...

Roo Mad Bro 02-08-2012 09:35 AM

He's not going to be a 100 pt superstar, but I fully believe he will become a 70 pt two way C.

Whether that's on the Flyers or some other team I don't know...

Really enamored by the thought of Giroux/Schenn/Couturier down the middle though.

hckyplayer8 02-08-2012 09:37 AM

Its a different topic, but I would think long an hard before basically stating "Trade Schenn. Keep Cooter."

Like them both, but so far Schenn has shown to be a more complete hockey player than Cooter has.

mirimon 02-08-2012 09:38 AM

Schenn will be fine. He's holding on to the puck a bit too long right now, but that's not alarming, most rookies do that. He had an absolute beauty of a pass last night, but both Simmonds and Bourdon(?) flubbed on it.

If he will center our top line in the future? Maybe not, but I don't really care. Giroux, Couturier and Schenn will hopefully be good enough for us to not have a distinct first line.

Larry44 02-08-2012 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Richards18 (Post 43792003)
He's not going to be a 100 pt superstar, but I fully believe he will become a 70 pt two way C.

Whether that's on the Flyers or some other team I don't know...

Really enamored by the thought of Giroux/Schenn/Couturier down the middle though.

It would be really stupid to trade Schenn for a Dman. The kid is a stud, and it's showing more and more. So is Couturier.

That threesome will be dominant force down the middle for years. Sometime soon we need to move Briere back to the wing where he belongs. His inability to check anyone is painful to watch.

Schenn is responsible on D and has vision and creativity on O. It will be nice to have the 1G, 1B, 1C problem at Centre again....

Prongo 02-08-2012 09:44 AM

NHL teams build their teams from defense and down the middle. The Flyers management has to like the idea of Giroux, Couts, Schenn down the middle for years to come. One is becoming a superstar, the other has the raw potential to become a star in the league and the other is a rookie competing at an extraordinary level and has potential to be an star in the league as well. I actually don't think they will let any go and I fully expect all three to be 5 million or more center men in this league once they hit UFA days. Hopefully all will be with the Flyers.

DrinkFightFlyers 02-08-2012 09:47 AM

No. If he is not an top line all star hall of famer by now he will likely be waived or tarred and feathered.

Amateur Hour 02-08-2012 09:58 AM

I like what I see from Schenn, kid has a bright future. Giroux/Schenn/Couturier down the middle for the foreseeable future is quite a sexy proposition. The Carter and Richards trades have set this team up for the next decade. Now, if only the Flyers could solve that pesky goalie/defense problem.

Broad Street Elite 02-08-2012 10:35 AM

Those offering Schenn and JVR up in almost any offer aren't think with their brains, they're thinking with some perverse need to win this year at the cost of longterm viability. If there was a single trade that guaranteed us a trip to the Finals right now, of course I make it. Newsflash: There isn't a trade out there that does that.

In Couturier, Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek, JVR, Giroux, Read we have a young core that will only get better over the next 2-4 years. No reason to break that up for an upgrade that doesn't make us that much more dangerous this season. If we were talking Weber, Suter, Chara, etc, that's one thing, but I'm not breaking up that forward core for Jack Johnson, Luke Schenn, etc and I'm definitely not going to sell low on Schenn and JVR to do it (which is exactly what we'd be doing). Couturier is untouchable, but JVR and Schenn are added to almost every trade based solely on a 50 game span to start this season. Insane.

GKJ 02-08-2012 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by DLJB (Post 43791897)
as long as G is here, Schenn will not be a top line center because he will not have top line center minutes. Once Briere's contract is up, he will be fighting with Couts for the #2 job. Honestly I would rather trade Schenn for an up and coming top pairing Dman instead of seing him being wasted on our third/fourth line. Just my two cents...

Did the Penguins "waste" Jordan Staal by putting him on a 3rd line because he was behind Crosby and Malkin.


There's no such thing as 'wasting' a player on the 3rd line.

Mgkibbles 02-08-2012 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by hckyplayer8 (Post 43792057)
Its a different topic, but I would think long an hard before basically stating "Trade Schenn. Keep Cooter."

Like them both, so far Schenn has shown to be a more complete hockey player than Cooter has.

Um, what?

Top Cheese Danish 02-08-2012 10:56 AM

He doesn't need to be the #1 center. Giroux/Schenn/Couts down the middle is the future of this team.

orange is better 02-08-2012 11:27 AM

Who cares about numbers? The kid has potential to be a great player, hands down. With giroux here, it's likely that neither or couturier or schenn become "top line center"s. but the 1-2-3 punch has the potential to be the best in the league in a few years time. An offensive dynamo, superstar talent, a big bodied shutdown center talent with offensive upside and a speedy, hard nosed 2-way center who throws his body around like a wrecking ball and has hands like butter might as well be the most lethal formula.

I'm excited to see all 3 of these players develop in front of us.

As for trading schenn, that would be a mistake, unless we're putting a package together for a legit, bonafide number 1 defenseman, like weber.

hckyplayer8 02-08-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 43795061)
Um, what?

He is definitely a much bigger physical presence than Cooter. That one is obvious.

Larry44 02-08-2012 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 43794635)
Did the Penguins "waste" Jordan Staal by putting him on a 3rd line because he was behind Crosby and Malkin.


There's no such thing as 'wasting' a player on the 3rd line.

Esp. when having a good 3rd line is what differentiates the great teams from the decent teams.

The biggest challenge is finding enough icetime for everyone, ES, PP and PK.

It should not be a concern. If you're worried about your ice time, skate harder when you're out there.

achdumeingute 02-08-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 43792453)
No. If he is not an top line all star hall of famer by now he will likely be waived or tarred and feathered.

This. What a failure. How can we work "bust" in to his name?

On a serious note...Schenn looks great.

Mgkibbles 02-08-2012 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by hckyplayer8 (Post 43796951)
He is definitely a much bigger physical presence than Cooter. That one is obvious.

So he's better because he hits more?

sobrien 02-08-2012 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLJB (Post 43791897)
as long as G is here, Schenn will not be a top line center because he will not have top line center minutes. Once Briere's contract is up, he will be fighting with Couts for the #2 job. Honestly I would rather trade Schenn for an up and coming top pairing Dman instead of seing him being wasted on our third/fourth line. Just my two cents...

I disagree with the bolded. I think next season, as long as both players continue to progress, Briere goes the RW on the first line (assuming Jagr isn't back)

hckyplayer8 02-08-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 43799673)
So he's better because he hits more?

I didn't say that. I implied Schenn has shown (in the limited time we have seen both players) to be more complete.

Complete hockey players can lay the body when they need to.

Basically its too early to be having this conversation. We have seen so little of either player that it is way too early to deal them away.

achdumeingute 02-08-2012 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hckyplayer8 (Post 43800133)
I didn't say that. I implied Schenn has shown (in the limited time we have seen both players) to be more complete.

Complete hockey players can lay the body when they need to.

Basically its too early to be having this conversation. We have seen so little of either player that it is way too early to deal them away.

Both players have shown alot of promise.

It's times like this that I wish we hadn't traded brindamour and made him a cornerstone of our franchise. A guy with his work ethic/skill mentoring these young guys...
Burns me still that he's with the Car franchise now.

96 02-08-2012 01:07 PM

I see Schenn being a Jordan Staal-level player, but with better playmaking and worse defense.

JXC 02-08-2012 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roo Mad Bro (Post 43792003)
He's not going to be a 100 pt superstar, but I fully believe he will become a 70 pt two way C.

Whether that's on the Flyers or some other team I don't know...

Really enamored by the thought of Giroux/Schenn/Couturier down the middle though.

Yeah.

Hockeypete49 02-08-2012 02:50 PM

The kid will become the perfect number two center in the NHL. He can do it all. Check,fight score,PK,PP just give him time. He is only 20.

phillyflyerfan1992 02-08-2012 03:19 PM

Schenn will pretty much be Mike Richards 2.0.

60 point (with PPG ceiling) two-way center who can play powerplay, kill penalties and hit, fight and score.

Kid's beast. I'd say Sean Couturier is pretty much Jordan Staal 2.0. Frankly, I wouldn't trade either. This team has 3 untouchables - Giroux, Schenn, Couturier.


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