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Nalyd Psycho 02-08-2012 11:26 AM

ATD 2012 - Draft Thread IV
 
ATD 2012 - Draft Thread I
ATD 2012 - Draft Thread III

ATD 2012 !!!

Now on an 8 hour clock

1). The draft will last 25 rounds. You must draft 2 goalies, 6 defensemen, 12 forwards, a coach and 4 extra picks.

2). The time windows will be tight but reasonable.
  • 12 hour clock for the first two rounds, (sending a shortlist to another GM highly encouraged here)
  • then 10 hour clock for rounds 3-6,
  • then 8 hour clock for rounds 7-14,
  • then 6 hour clock for rounds 15-20,
  • then 4 hour clock for rounds 21-25
One hour time window deduction for each skipped pick (two hour deduction for missing a 12 hour clock - leave a list), with a minimum 4 hour clock guaranteed regardless of deductions.

3). Trading is to be reasonably fair and balanced and lopsided trades will need to be re-worked or dropped. This is at the discretion of the trade committee.
  • Trading while on the clock is discouraged and will be penalized like a missed deadline, so if you do it, you better be sure that's what you want.
  • There is no limit to the number of trades you can make.
4). Regular season rankings MUST BE VOTED ON by at least one GM (if the team is co-GM'd) per team. The penalty if not done is a lowering in the standings because we would also be ranking our own teams in our own divisions (e.g., most teams will rank their own team 1st in their own division; if a team doesn't vote they loose out on a 1st place vote opportunity and hence their team's ranking will be lower than it could have been). All teams make the playoffs. 4th & 5th seeds play a 2-game series to narrow the field to 32.

5). REGULAR SEASON AND PLAYOFF VOTING TO BE A SET RESPONSIBILITY.

6). NO MENTIONING UNDRAFTED PLAYERS!!!

DRAFT LIST:

Deductions:
Stoneberg & raleh -Halifax Mooseheads = -1 hour
EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France = -2 hours
Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats = -3 hours
Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters = 4 hour clock rest of draft
BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal = -1 hour
Papershoes - Kenora Thistles = -1 hour
Billyshoe - Philadelphia Flyers = -2 hours
jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons = 4 hour clock rest of draft
Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks = -1 hour
Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs = no deduction, but goes to -2 if misses again
Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints = -1 hour

Round 1

1. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Bobby Orr, D
2. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Wayne Gretzky, C
3. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Gordie Howe, RW
4. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Mario Lemieux, C
5. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Doug Harvey, D
6. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Jean Beliveau, C
7. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Eddie Shore, D
8. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Raymond Bourque, D
9. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Bobby Hull, LW
10. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Denis Potvin, D
11. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Nicklas Lidström, D
- 12. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Maurice Richard, RW
13. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Stan Mikita, C
14. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Dominik Hasek, G
15. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Bryan Trottier, C
16. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Bobby Clarke, C
17. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Terry Sawchuk, G
18. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Leonard ''Red'' Kelly, D/C
19. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Howie Morenz, C
20. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Guy Lafleur, RW
21. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Patrick Roy, G
22. Dwight - West Island Lions - Jacques Plante, G
23. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Larry Robinson, D
24. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Jaromir Jagr, RW
25. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Slava Fetisov, D
26. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Phil Esposito, C
27. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Mike Bossy, RW
28. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Mark Messier, C/LW
29. Stoneberg & raleh -Halifax Mooseheads - Cyclone Taylor, C/D
30. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Chris Chelios, D
31. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Ted Lindsay, LW
32. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Joe Sakic, C

Round 2

33. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Paul Coffey, D
34. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils -Brad Park, D
35. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Steve Yzerman, C
36. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Pierre Pilote, D
37. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Glenn Hall, G
38. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Newsy Lalonde, C
39. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Valeri Kharlamov, LW
40. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Milt Schmidt, C
41. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montreal - Frank Nighbor, C/LW
42. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Ken Dryden, G
43. Dwight - West Island Lions - Tim Horton, D
44. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Syl Apps Sr, C
45. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - King Clancy, D
46. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Bill Cook, RW
47. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Sprague Cleghorn, D
48. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Scott Stevens, D
49. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Earl Seibert, D
50. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Chris Pronger, D
51. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Frank Boucher, C
52. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Al MacInnis, D
53. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Dit Clapper, D/RW
54. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Martin Brodeur, G
55. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Charlie Conacher, RW
56. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Max Bentley, C
57. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Frank Mahovlich, LW
58. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Joe Malone, C
59. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Ted Kennedy, C
60. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Bill Gadsby, D
61. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Sergei Makarov, RW
62. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Borje Salming, D
63. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Jari Kurri, RW
64. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Bernie "Boom Boom" Geoffrion, RW

Round 3

65. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Henri Richard, C
66. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Brian Leetch, D
67. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Dickie Moore, LW
68. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Guy Lapointe, D
69. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Clint Benedict, G
70. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Boris Mikhailov, RW
71. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Vladislav Tretiak, G
72. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Valeri Vasiliev, D
73. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Turk Broda, G
74. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Andy Bathgate, RW
75. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Peter Forsberg, C
76. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Mark Howe, D
77. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Sergei Fedorov, C
78. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Bill Quackenbush, D
79. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Anatoli Firsov, LW
80. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montreal - Cy Denneny, LW
81. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Alex Delvecchio, LW/C
82. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Aurel Joliat, LW
83. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Rod Langway, D
84. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Norm Ullman, C
85. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Serge Savard, D
86. Dwight - West Island Lions - Elmer Lach, C
87. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Marcel Dionne, C
88. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Dave Keon, C
89. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Doug Gilmour, C
90. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Zdeno Chara, D
91. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Gilbert Perreault, C
92. tony d - Garnish Cougars - JC Tremblay, D
93. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Doug Bentley, LW/C
94. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Sid Abel, C/LW
95. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Teemu Selanne, RW
96. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Brett Hull, RW

Round 4

97. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Johnny Bucyk, LW
98. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Jack Stewart, D
99. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Alexander Ovechkin, LW
100. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Eddie Gerard, D/LW
101. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Yvan Cournoyer, RW
102. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Scott Niedermayer, D
103. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Johnny Bower, G
104. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Harvey "Busher" Jackson, LW
105. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Hooley Smith, C/RW
106. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Bill Cowley, C
107. Dwight - West Island Lions - Toe Blake, LW
108. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Jarome Iginla, RW
109. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Peter Stastny, C
110. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Alexander Maltsev, C/RW
111. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Frank Brimsek, G
112. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Brendan Shanahan, LW
113. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Bernie Parent, G
114. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Pavel Bure, RW
115. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Sidney Crosby, C
116. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Ron Francis, C
117. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Alexei Kasatonov, D
118. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Nels Stewart, C/LW
119. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Jacques Laperriere, D
120. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Cam Neely, RW
121. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Ching Johnson, D
122. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Roy Conacher, LW
123. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Emile ''Butch'' Bouchard, D
124. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Adam Oates, C
125. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Marcel Pronovost, D
126. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Ebbie Goodfellow, C/D
127. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Ernie ''Moose'' Johnson, D
128. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Eric Lindros, C

Round 5

129. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Rob Blake, D
130. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Georges ''Buck'' Boucher, D
131. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Lionel Conacher, D (later traded to Winnipeg)
132. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Michel Goulet, LW
133. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Mickey Mackay, C
134. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Bill Durnan, G
135. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Bill Barber, LW (later traded to Kenora)
136. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Igor Larionov, C
137. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Carl Brewer, D
138. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Jean Ratelle, C
139. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Larry Murphy, D
140. Stoneberg & raleh - Babe Siebert, D/LW
141. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Syd Howe, LW/C
142. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Jan Suchy, D
143. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Punch Broadbent, RW
144. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Dale Hawerchuk, C
145. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Pavel Datsyuk, C
146. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Ed Belfour, G
147. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Sylvio Mantha, D
148. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Chuck Gardiner, G
149. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Bryan Hextall Sr, RW
150. Dwight - West Island Lions - Doug Wilson, D
151. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Bert Olmstead, LW
152. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Alexander Ragulin, D
153. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Vladimir Petrov, C
154. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Tommy Phillips, LW
155. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Bob Gainey, LW
156. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Reg Noble, C/LW/D
157. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Denis Savard, C
158. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Clark Gillies, LW
159. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Hod Stuart, D
160. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Marty Barry, C

Round 6

161. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Art Coulter, D
162. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Lanny McDonald, RW
163. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Fern Flaman, D
164. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Ken Reardon, D
165. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Rick Middleton, RW
166. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Harry Cameron, D
167. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Harvey Pulford, D
168. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Harry Howell, D
169. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Bill White, D
170. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Joe Primeau, C
171. Dwight - West Island Lions - Vaclav Nedomansky, RW
172. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Hap Day, D
173. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Lester Patrick, D
174. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Woody Dumart, LW
175. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires Tom Johnson, D
176. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Luc Robitaille, LW
177. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Frantisek Pospisil, D
178. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Sergei Zubov, D
179. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Didier Pitre, RW
180. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Mike Modano, C
181. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Sweeney Schriner, LW
182. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Glenn Anderson, RW
183. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Martin St. Louis, RW
184. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Darryl Sittler, C
185. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Allan Stanley, D
186. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Red Horner, D
187. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Paul Kariya, LW
188. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Jacques Lemaire, C
189. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Joe Thornton, C
190. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Babe Dye, RW
191. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Frank Foyston, F (later traded to Rogle BK for pick 203)
192. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - John Leclair, LW

Round 7

193. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Billy Smith, G
194. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Pat Lafontaine, C
195. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Jiri Holecek, G
196. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Pat Stapleton, D
197. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Vladimir Martinec, RW
198. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Rodrigue Gilbert, RW
199. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Ace Bailey, RW
200. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Jimmy Thomson, D
201. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Scotty Bowman, coach
202. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Steve Shutt, LW
203. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Tiny Thompson, G
204. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Vladimir Lutchenko, D
205. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Herb Gardiner, D
206. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Elmer Vasko, D
207. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Evgeni Malkin, C
208. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Mark Recchi, RW
209. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Brad McCrimmon, D
210. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Eric Desjardins, D
211. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Art Ross, D
212. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Henrik Zetterberg, C/LW
213. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Claude Provost, RW
214. Dwight - West Island Lions - Brian Propp, LW
215. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Frank Fredrickson, C
216. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Lionel Hitchman, D
217. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Cy Wentworth, D
218. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Bob Baun, D

219. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Tony Esposito, G
220. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Mats Sundin, C
221. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Bun Cook, LW
222. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Gary Suter, D
223. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Georges Vezina, G
224. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Si Griffis, D

Round 8

225. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Grant Fuhr, G
226. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Russell Bowie, C
227. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Tim Kerr, RW
228. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Vladimir Krutov, LW
229. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Sergei Gonchar, D
230. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Vladimir Konstantinov, D
231. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Toe Blake, coach
232. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Gordie Drillon, RW
233. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Gus Mortson, D
234. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Marcus Naslund, LW
235. Dwight - West Island Lions - Jean-Guy Talbot, D
236. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Bernie Morris, C/RW
237. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Alex Yakushev, LW
238. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters - Vyacheslav Starshinov, C/LW
239. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Rick Martin, LW
240. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Daniel Alfredsson, RW
241. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - Marian Hossa, RW
242. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Esa Tikkanen, LW
243. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Paul Thompson, LW
244. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Duke Keats, C
245. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Patrick Elias, LW
246. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Wayne Cashman, LW
247. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Doug Mohns, D/LW
248. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Nikolai Sologubov, D
249. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Guy Carbonneau, C
250. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Frank McGee, C
251. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Mike Grant, D
252. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Derian Hatcher, D
253. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Kevin Stevens, LW
254. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - John Tonelli, LW
255. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Baldy Northcott, LW
256. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Babe Pratt, D

Round 9

257. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Gary Roberts, LW
258. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Rod Brind'Amour, C/LW
259. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Craig Ramsay, LW
260. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Roy Worters, G
261. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Cecil Dillon, RW
262. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Theoren Fleury, RW
263. tony d - Garnish Cougars - Steve Larmer, RW
264. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Ott Heller, D
265. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Doug Jarvis, C
266. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - George Armstrong, RW
267. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Alf Smith, LW
268. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints - Hugh Lehman, G
269. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Dean Prentice, LW
270. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones - Gump Worsley, G
271. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Flash Hollett, D
272. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - James Neilson, D
273. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Sid Smith, LW
274. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK - Ilya Kovalchuk, LW
275. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Jack Walker, LW
276. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Bernie Federko, C
277. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans -Tommy Dunderdale, C
278. Dwight - West Island Lions - Phil Watson, C/RW
279. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Joe Nieuwendyk, C
280. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Joe Hall, D
281. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Adam Foote, D
282. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Mike Ramsey, D
283. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Dick Duff, LW
284. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Phil Housley, D
285. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Kevin Lowe, D
286. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Henrik Sedin, C
287. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Rick MacLeish, C
288. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Bill Mosienko, RW

Round 10

289. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers - Jere Lehtinen, LW/RW
290. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils - Jack Crawford, D
291. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds - Daniel Sedin, LW
292. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads - Ken Hodge, RW
293. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Bob Goldham, D
294. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers - Mike Gartner, RW
295. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan - Walt Tkaczuk, C
296. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires - Bobby Bauer, RW
297. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Ralph Backstrom, C
298. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Ted Green, D
299. Dwight - West Island Lions - Ed Westfall, RW
300. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans - Bert Corbeau, D
301. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers - Jim Schoenfeld, D
302. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Rick Tocchet, RW
303. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers - Leo Boivin, D
304. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons - Pit Lepine, C
305. DaveG - Lada Togliatti - "Bullet" Joe Simpson, D
306. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets - Vitaly Davydov, D
307. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France - Frank Patrick, D
308. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks - Bob Pulford, C/LW
309. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks - Marty Pavelich, LW
310. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Jimmy Watson, D
311. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos - Herbie Lewis, LW
312. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs - Tod Sloan, C/RW
313. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats - Danny Gare, RW
314. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints - Peter Bondra, RW
315. papershoes - Kenora Thistles - Dino Ciccarelli, RW
316. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs - Keith Tkachuk, LW
317. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers - Joe Mullen, RW
318. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal - Helmut Balderis, RW
319. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks - Alexander Mogilny, RW
320. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA - Larry Aurie, RW

Round 11

321. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
322. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
323. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
324. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
325. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
326. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
327. tony d - Garnish Cougars
328. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
329. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
330. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
331. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
332. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
333. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
334. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
335. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
336. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
337. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
338. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
339. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
340. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
341. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
342. Dwight - West Island Lions
343. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
344. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
345. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
346. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
347. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
348. tony d - Garnish Cougars
349. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
350. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
351. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
352. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 12

353. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
354. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
355. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
356. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
357. tony d - Garnish Cougars
358. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
359. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats -
360. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
361. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
362. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
363. Dwight - West Island Lions
364. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
365. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
366. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
367. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
368. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
369. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
370. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
371. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
372. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
373. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
374. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
375. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
376. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
377. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan -
378. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
379. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
380. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
381. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
382. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
383. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
384. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 13

385. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
386. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
387. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
388. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
389. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
390. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
391. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
392. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
393. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
394. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
395. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
396. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
397. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
398. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
399. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
400. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
401. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
402. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
403. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
404. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
405. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
406. Dwight - West Island Lions
407. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
408. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
409. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
410. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
411. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
412. tony d - Garnish Cougars
413. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
414. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
415. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
416. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 14

417. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
418. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
419. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
420. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
421. tony d - Garnish Cougars
422. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
423. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
424. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
425. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
426. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
427. Dwight - West Island Lions
428. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
429. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
430. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
431. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
432. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
433. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
434. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
435. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
436. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
437. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
438. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
439. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
440. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
441. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
442. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
443. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
444. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
445. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
446. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
447. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
448. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 15

449. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
450. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
451. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
452. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
453. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
454. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
455. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
456. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
457. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
458. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
459. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
460. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
461. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
462. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
463. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
464. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
465. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
466. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
467. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
468. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
469. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
470. Dwight - West Island Lions
471. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
472. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
473. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
474. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
475. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
476. tony d - Garnish Cougars
477. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
478. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
479. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
480. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 16

481. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
482. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
483. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
484. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
485. tony d - Garnish Cougars
486. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
487. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
488. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
489. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
490. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
491. Dwight - West Island Lions
492. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
493. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
494. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
495. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
496. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
497. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
498. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
499. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
500. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
501. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
502. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
503. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
504. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
505. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
506. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
507. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
508. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
509. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
510. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
511. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
512. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 17

513. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
514. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
515. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
516. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
517. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
518. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
519. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
520. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
521. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
522. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
523. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
524. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
525. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
526. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
527. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
528. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
529. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
530. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
531. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
532. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
533. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
534. Dwight - West Island Lions
535. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
536. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
537. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
538. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
539. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
540. tony d - Garnish Cougars
541. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
542. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
543. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
544. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 18

545. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
546. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
547. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
548. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
549. tony d - Garnish Cougars
550. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
551. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
552. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
553. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
554. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
555. Dwight - West Island Lions
556. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
557. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
558. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
559. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
560. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
561. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
562. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
563. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
564. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
565. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
566. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
567. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
568. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
569. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
570. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
571. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
572. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
573. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
574. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
575. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
576. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 19

577. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
578. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
579. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
580. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
581. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
582. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
583. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
584. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
585. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
586. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
587. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
588. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
589. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
590. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
591. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
592. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
593. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
594. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
595. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
596. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
597. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
598. Dwight - West Island Lions
599. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
600. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
601. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
602. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
603. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
604. tony d - Garnish Cougars
605. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
606. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
607. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
608. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 20

609. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
610. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
611. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
612. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
613. tony d - Garnish Cougars
614. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
615. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
616. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
617. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
618. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
619. Dwight - West Island Lions
620. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
621. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
622. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
623. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
624. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
625. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
626. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
627. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
628. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
629. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
630. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
631. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
632. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
633. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
634. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
635. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
636. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
637. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
638. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
639. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
640. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 21

641. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
642. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
643. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
644. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
645. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
646. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
647. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
648. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
649. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
650. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
651. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
652. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
653. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
654. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
655. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
656. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
657. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
658. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
659. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
660. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
661. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
662. Dwight - West Island Lions
663. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
664. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
665. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
666. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
667. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
668. tony d - Garnish Cougars
669. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
670. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
671. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
672. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 22

673. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
674. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
675. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
676. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
677. tony d - Garnish Cougars
678. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
679. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
680. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
681. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
682. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
683. Dwight - West Island Lions
684. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
685. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
686. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
687. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
688. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
689. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
690. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
691. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
692. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
693. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
694. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
695. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
696. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
697. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
698. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
699. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
700. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
701. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
702. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
703. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
704. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 23

705. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
706. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
707. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
708. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
709. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
710. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
711. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
712. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
713. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
714. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
715. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
716. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
717. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
718. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
719. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
720. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
721. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
722. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
723. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
724. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
725. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
726. Dwight - West Island Lions
727. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
728. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
729. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
730. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
731. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
732. tony d - Garnish Cougars
733. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
734. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
735. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
736. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Round 24

737. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers
738. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
739. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
740. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
741. tony d - Garnish Cougars
742. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
743. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
744. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
745. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
746. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
747. Dwight - West Island Lions
748. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
749. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
750. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
751. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
752. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
753. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
754. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
755. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
756. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
757. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
758. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
759. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
760. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
761. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
762. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
763. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
764. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
765. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
766. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
767. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
768. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones

Round 25

769. Bring Back Scuderi - Pittsburgh Keystones
770. arrbez - Inglewood Jacks
771. Billyshoe1721 - Philadelphia Flyers
772. MadArcand - Hartford Whalers
773. vecens24 - Hamilton Mustangs
774. papershoes - Kenora Thistles
775. Hedberg & vancityluongo - Winnipeg Saints
776. Leafs Forever - Toronto St. Pats
777. Leaf Lander - Toronto Maple Leafs
778. Velociraptor - Australia Mighty Roos
779. Dreakmur & Hobnobs - Rogle BK
780. Nalyd Psycho - Minnesota Fighting Saints
781. markrander87 - Cincinnati Fireworks
782. EagleBelfour - L'équipe Nationale de France
783. Modo - Dawson City Nuggets
784. DaveG - Lada Togliatti
785. jkrx - Winnipeg Falcons
786. BenchBrawl - Les Canadiens de Montréal
787. Hawkey Town 18 - Chicago Shamrocks
788. DoMakc - Atlanta Thrashers
789. chaosrevolver - Seattle Metropolitans
790. Dwight - West Island Lions
791. Mr Bugg - Kimberley Dynamiters
792. God Made Me & hungryhungryhippy - 1893 Montreal AAA
793. monster_bertuzzi - Vancouver Millionaires
794. nik jr - Ak Bars Kazan
795. JFA87-66-99 - Pittsburgh Bankers
796. tony d - Garnish Cougars
797. Stoneberg & raleh - Halifax Mooseheads
798. Reds4Life - Detroit Reds
799. TheDevilMadeMe - New Jersey Swamp Devils
800. Brave Canadian - Guelph Platers

Trades:

To Cincinatti: All of New Jersey's picks, starting at 13
To Ak Bars Kazan All of Cincinatti's, picks starting at 26
To New Jersey: All Ak Bars Kazan's, picks starting at 31

To Hamilton Mustangs: All of Kimberley's picks, starting at 8 (later traded to Toronto St. Pats)
To Kimberley Dynamiters: All of Hamilton's picks, starting at 13.

To Hamilton Mustangs - All of picks Toronto's picks starting at 5
To Toronto St. Pats- All of Hamilton's picks starting at 8

To Ak Bars Kazan: 24 and 41
To 1893 Montreal AAA: 26 and 39

To Kenora: 23 and 170
To Kimberley: 59 and 70. 59 was later traded to Winnipeg

To Vancouver Millionaires- #42, #106
To Kimberley Dynamiters- #25, #153

To 1893 Montreal AAA - 36, 93, and 157
To Halifax - 39, 88, 152

To Montreal Canadiens: 41, 154, 218
To Ak Bars Kazan: 47, 146, 210

To Winnipeg Saints - #59, #151
To Kimberley Dynamiters - #71, #122

To Toronto St. Pats - #51, #78
To L'équipe Nationale de France - #57 #72

To Hamilton Mustangs: 76th and 140th
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 60th and 188th

To Cincinatti Fireworks:74,119,183
To Australia Mighty Roos: 77,116,180

To Hamilton: 88, 100, 152, 228
To Halifax: 76, 133, 140, 261

To Toronto St. Pats: #83, #110
To Chicago Shamrocks: #78, #121

To Lada Togliatti: #82, #111
To Les Canadiens de Montréal: #80, #113

To Vancouver Millionaires: #83 and #185
To Toronto St. Pats: #89 and #168

To Kimberley: #110, #136, #200, #249
To Toronto St. Pats: #87, #153, #215, #279

To Hamilton Mustangs: 89, 215, 264, 392, #441
To Toronto St. Pats: 124, 152, 252, 380, #453

To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 109th overall and 212th overall
To Atlanta Thrashers: 117th overal and 181st overall

To Les Canadiens de Montréal: 138, 180
To Australia Mighty Roos: 113, 218

To Pittsburgh Keystones gets 216, 233, and 297
To 1893 Montreal AAA gets 193, 256, and 320

To Toronto St. Pats get #122, #200
To Kimberley Dynamiters get #152, #153

To Les Canadiens de Montréal get #124, #200 , #279
To Toronto St. Pats get #138, #200, #274

To Toronto St. Pats get 146 , 167 , 359
To AK Bars Kazan gets 138 , 180 , 377

To Kenora Thistles: 131 , 254 , 446
To Philadelphia Flyers: 170 , 187 , 390

To Chicago Shamrocks: 156 + 165 + 293
To Garnish Cougars: 147 + 174 + 302

To Kenora: Bill Barber, 250, 442
To Winnipeg Saints: Lionel Conacher, 262, 454

To Seattle Metropolitans: 154 - 200
To Les Canadiens de Montreal: 149 - 213

To Cincinnati 162 287 415
To New Jersey 183 244 397

To Hamilton Mustang 165 , 275
To Chicago Shamrocks 197 , 215

To Toronto St Pats 175 , 239
To Les Canadiens de Montreal 168 , 252

To Toronto St Pats 182 , 246
To Rogle BK 167 , 274

To Toronto St Pats 185 , 217
To Vancouver Millionnaires 175 , 239

To Kimberley Dynamiters: 204, 309 & 652
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 234, 249 & 618

To Rögle BK - Foyston (191), 322, 386, 450, 575, 578
To Inglewood Jacks: 203, 310, 374, 438, 566, 587

To Kimberley Dynamiters: 238 + 531
To Chicago Shamrocks: 298 + 309

To Les Canadiens de Montréal: 245, 373, 437 & 501
To Minnesota Fighting Saints: 252, 367, 431 & 495

To Les Canadiens de Montreal: 259, 318, 510, 451
To Philadelphia Flyers: 279, 303, 437, 466

To Garnish Dragons: 263 and 327
To Winnipeg Saints: 284 and 302

To Pittsburgh Keystones: 270, 398, 499
To L'équipe Nationale de France: 297, 321, 513

Rob Scuderi 02-08-2012 11:35 AM

Picksburgh selects D Gus Mortson
http://www.hhof.com/graphspot/pin_lindsay01.jpg
The more mobile of the Gold Dust Twins should be a perfect compliment to Rob Blake on my second pair with his defensive focus and ability to help out carrying the puck and in the transition game in general.

He and Ted Lindsay are in the picture above "fraternizing" despite being rivals in the 06 and now the Jim Robson division :naughty:

link to a well-done LF bio of Mortson http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...&postcount=677

Nalyd Psycho 02-08-2012 11:40 AM

The Minnesota Fighting Saints are pleased to select, 234th overall, from Örnsköldsvik, Sweden, Marcus Naslund, LW

vecens24 02-08-2012 11:41 AM

MOrtson was one of twoo defensemen I considered before taking Krutov to finish off my first line. Good pick. 1st team All-Stars on defense aren't exactly easy to come by at this time.

Rob Scuderi 02-08-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vecens24 (Post 43797341)
MOrtson was one of twoo defensemen I considered before taking Krutov to finish off my first line. Good pick. 1st team All-Stars on defense aren't exactly easy to come by at this time.

Yeah I was thinking about Mortson yesterday when I picked Hitchman and figured I wouldn't get a third crack if I passed again. I definitely didn't think I'd finish my top four defenders before any lines or picking a goalie with Orr :help:, but it just sorta fell this way.

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Also re:Veinza The guy got his starting job with the Habs after their started suggested they sign him, when Vezina blanked them in an exhibition match with his local senior team featuring his two brothers. I have two of the Ron McAllister books and the writeup he has on Vezina describes that game very well, and while I'm new to this it made it seem to me that if this was a guy who if there was more known about would have consistently been going much higher in these drafts. Started with a bang and I haven't looked closely, but if a cursory glance at wikipedia says he led the NHA in GA a few times then I wouldn't be surprised if the bio TDMM puts together will show he kept it up before his untimely death. With how high some early defenders seem to have risen, particularly because the HoH projects help so much, I wonder if we'll see a similar effect for Georges. (Yeah I'm ********)

seventieslord 02-08-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bring Back Scuderi (Post 43798049)
Also re:Veinza The guy got his starting job with the Habs after their started suggested they sign him, when Vezina blanked them in an exhibition match with his local senior team featuring his two brothers. I have two of the Ron McAllister books and the writeup he has on Vezina describes that game very well, and while I'm new to this it made it seem to me that if this was a guy who if there was more known about would have consistently been going much higher in these drafts. Started with a bang and I haven't looked closely, but if a cursory glance at wikipedia says he led the NHA in GA a few times then I wouldn't be surprised if the bio TDMM puts together will show he kept it up before his untimely death. With how high some early defenders seem to have risen, particularly because the HoH projects help so much, I wonder if we'll see a similar effect for Georges. (Yeah I'm ********)


I think that Benedict is better, just based on intuition, but I acknowledge that he also had an easier time of it.

I’d like to see Iain Fyffe’s points allocation results for both of them. It considers the defensive results of the team and then allocates points to the players on the team depending on the importance of their defensive position and the contribution they made (it is reputation based as well)

So, if Ottawa has 50 defensive points to go around but the defensemen are Gerard and Boucher, maybe Benedict gets just 20 of them, Gerard 18 and Boucher 12. But Montreal could have lesser results (say, 40 points) but with Cleghorn and an undrafted the points might be allocated 20-15-5 that year, basically implying Vezina was as good that season.

I’m pulling these numbers completely out of you-know-where just to illustrate what I mean. I think separating the goalie from the team is always an interesting and worthwhile, though difficult endeavor. One advantage we have with these early players, is that they were one of just 7-8 players to make a significant impact on the team, so allocating points is not rocket science. We can see how the team performed from a goals against standpoint, look at who was on the team and what we know about them, and go from there. Iain’s system may get us as close to the truth about these old goalies as we’ll ever get.

Rob Scuderi 02-08-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 43799695)
I think that Benedict is better, just based on intuition, but I acknowledge that he also had an easier time of it.

I’d like to see Iain Fyffe’s points allocation results for both of them. It considers the defensive results of the team and then allocates points to the players on the team depending on the importance of their defensive position and the contribution they made (it is reputation based as well)

So, if Ottawa has 50 defensive points to go around but the defensemen are Gerard and Boucher, maybe Benedict gets just 20 of them, Gerard 18 and Boucher 12. But Montreal could have lesser results (say, 40 points) but with Cleghorn and an undrafted the points might be allocated 20-15-5 that year, basically implying Vezina was as good that season.

I’m pulling these numbers completely out of you-know-where just to illustrate what I mean. I think separating the goalie from the team is always an interesting and worthwhile, though difficult endeavor. One advantage we have with these early players, is that they were one of just 7-8 players to make a significant impact on the team, so allocating points is not rocket science. We can see how the team performed from a goals against standpoint, look at who was on the team and what we know about them, and go from there. Iain’s system may get us as close to the truth about these old goalies as we’ll ever get.

Yeah like I said I am new and I'm not one for grandiosity so I'm not suggesting he's necessarily better than Benedict. If I had to hazard a guess as well I'd take Benedict too, but it just feels like the respect for older players like Pulford and Stuart have definitively grown after the digging was finally able to be completed. I guess I'm just saying it doesn't 'feel' right that a guy who sounds to have been so talented is still here, but that's why this process is so great.

Also I've checked out Iain's other stuff but not the ratings (I only read the HoH Stuart/Boucher/Gerard point stuff) so I'll have to make sure I look at that.

Nalyd Psycho 02-08-2012 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 43799695)
I think that Benedict is better, just based on intuition, but I acknowledge that he also had an easier time of it.

I’d like to see Iain Fyffe’s points allocation results for both of them. It considers the defensive results of the team and then allocates points to the players on the team depending on the importance of their defensive position and the contribution they made (it is reputation based as well)

So, if Ottawa has 50 defensive points to go around but the defensemen are Gerard and Boucher, maybe Benedict gets just 20 of them, Gerard 18 and Boucher 12. But Montreal could have lesser results (say, 40 points) but with Cleghorn and an undrafted the points might be allocated 20-15-5 that year, basically implying Vezina was as good that season.

I’m pulling these numbers completely out of you-know-where just to illustrate what I mean. I think separating the goalie from the team is always an interesting and worthwhile, though difficult endeavor. One advantage we have with these early players, is that they were one of just 7-8 players to make a significant impact on the team, so allocating points is not rocket science. We can see how the team performed from a goals against standpoint, look at who was on the team and what we know about them, and go from there. Iain’s system may get us as close to the truth about these old goalies as we’ll ever get.

Cleghorn was only around for a few seasons. By and large the "flying frenchmen" moniker was given to them because they were a one way team. One of the best offensive teams in the world, but poor defensively. Where as the Senators were one of the greatest defensive teams ever.

BM67 02-08-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seventieslord (Post 43799695)
I think that Benedict is better, just based on intuition, but I acknowledge that he also had an easier time of it.

I’d like to see Iain Fyffe’s points allocation results for both of them. It considers the defensive results of the team and then allocates points to the players on the team depending on the importance of their defensive position and the contribution they made (it is reputation based as well)

So, if Ottawa has 50 defensive points to go around but the defensemen are Gerard and Boucher, maybe Benedict gets just 20 of them, Gerard 18 and Boucher 12. But Montreal could have lesser results (say, 40 points) but with Cleghorn and an undrafted the points might be allocated 20-15-5 that year, basically implying Vezina was as good that season.

I’m pulling these numbers completely out of you-know-where just to illustrate what I mean. I think separating the goalie from the team is always an interesting and worthwhile, though difficult endeavor. One advantage we have with these early players, is that they were one of just 7-8 players to make a significant impact on the team, so allocating points is not rocket science. We can see how the team performed from a goals against standpoint, look at who was on the team and what we know about them, and go from there. Iain’s system may get us as close to the truth about these old goalies as we’ll ever get.

Iain has Vezina's career score on his blog, but I don't see Benedict's. Vezina comes in 8th in his The Meritorious Men of the 1910s post, ahead of Malone and Cleghorn.

JFA87-66-99 02-08-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JFA87-66-99
Also seventies did a really wonderful bio on him last year that really sold me on Tony Esposito being about a top 20 goalie of all-time
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Originally Posted by Seventieslord
If that’s all I did, I didn’t do as well as I thought/hoped
Sorry seventies, I didn't mean to slight you in a anyway, I think your work and knowledge around here speaks for itself. I actually have Tony Esposito ranked #13 or #14 on my all-time ranking so yeah I shouldn't have said about a top 20 ranking.

TheDevilMadeMe 02-08-2012 02:24 PM

I think it's ridiculous to consider Tony Esposito, who was at best the 3rd best goalie of the 1970s (definitely behind Dryden and Parent but with Tretiak and Holecek in the mix as well) to be better than anyone who ever played prior to 1950 (edit: Or I guess anyone who played other than Benedict?)

Esposito over Brimsek is completely unjustifiable IMO. If you value longevity highly, I guess I can see Esposito over Gardiner, but considering Gardiner had a peak that had many calling him the best goalie to have ever played (up until that point which ended in 1934), I find it a real stretch to prefer Esposito to him.

DoMakc 02-08-2012 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 43804743)
I think it's ridiculous to consider Tony Esposito, who was at best the 3rd best goalie of the 1970s (definitely behind Dryden and Parent but with Tretiak and Holecek in the mix as well) to be better than anyone who ever played prior to 1950 (edit: Or I guess anyone who played other than Benedict?)

Esposito over Brimsek is completely unjustifiable IMO. If you value longevity highly, I guess I can see Esposito over Gardiner, but considering Gardiner had a peak that had many calling him the best goalie to have ever played (up until that point which ended in 1934), I find it a real stretch to prefer Esposito to him.

Considering the fact that Gardiner was always money in playoffs and Esposito ... gulp... wasn't...

Sturminator 02-08-2012 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 43804743)
Esposito over Brimsek is completely unjustifiable IMO. If you value longevity highly, I guess I can see Esposito over Gardiner, but considering Gardiner had a peak that had many calling him the best goalie to have ever played (up until that point which ended in 1934), I find it a real stretch to prefer Esposito to him.

Yes, Esposito over Brimsek is crazy talk, especially when one considers that Brimsek was probably cheated out of a first team all-star selection twice by the strange Vezina = 1st team all-star voting rules of the era, and lost another 1st team nod by a single vote to Broda.

Here's what I mean:

- Brimsek lost a close vote (12-14) in 42-43 to undrafted, in spite of being 5th in Hart voting (undrafted didn't place). But more important than the Hart voting is how the press of the era reacted to Brimsek's performance that season and the results of the all-star picks. To wit:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=5776,3397174

Leader Post - Apr 4th, 1943:

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Returning NHL performers who have been turning up in various prairie rinks there last few weeks, concede that they have little quarrel with the all-star band of puckists collected in the Canadian Press vote this spring. They put up a stout argument on Frankie Brimsek's behalf for the goaltending assignment, but nod assent to all other choices from then on as they sum up the dream team this way:

xxxxxxx: A fine goalkeeper playing behind the strongest team in the big-league. Worthy of all-star recognition, but the hockey players' goaltender is Frank Brimsek. They unanimously point to Brimsek as the king of custodians. "Frankie is our man, " they chorus."
Strong endorsement. Here's a better one.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=1758,2016926

The Day - Feb 3rd, 1943:

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Detroit's xxxxxxxx can't miss winning the Vezina goal-tending award but he appears far back in the running for a National Hockey league All-Star berth...Judging by the talk of the visiting hockey masterminds, the Bruins' Frankie Brimsek still is the greatest goalie in pro hockey.

xxxxxxxxxx can not depend upon the vote of his own boss, xxxxxxx. The latter rates xxxxxx as a very good goaltender, "But when I am called upon to name the best one, I must pick Brimsek," xxxxxxx explained. "If there ever has been a better goalie anywhere at any time than Brimsek, I've never seen him."

xxxxxxx sadly confessed that Brimsek gives the Bruins a goal and a half start before they even take to the ice..."The only reason why xxxxxx has had fewer goals scored against him is because our Red Wing defensemen give him much better support than the Bruins provide Brimsek," xxxxxxx points out....xxxxxx's high opinion of Brimsek has been loudly seconded by xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx...that group is almost as enthusiastic about Brimsek as xxxxxxxx, who predicted that Frankie would be the greatest goalie in history long before he ever appeared in a major league net.
An interesting article. It is absolutely superlative praise of Brimsek, and should make it 100% clear that he was the true 1st team all-star in 42-43, if not for the apparently silly Vezina tradition.

The other time Brimsek was likely the true 1st team all-star was in 1947-48, when Brimsek lost the 1st team on a tiebreak to Vezina winner Broda (who had more first place votes), but placed 2nd in Hart trophy voting. He also lost the 1st team placement to Broda (in his only other Vezina season) by a single vote in 1940-41.

I wouldn't normally make too much of the Vezina / 1st team all-star phenomenon, but the newspaper articles make it so obvious who the better goalie was and that for whatever reason the voters stuck with the Vezina winner, anyway, that it sort of calls the entire all-star system for goalies into question for that era. But once you see the papers and realize the obvious distortion, then a lot of results start to look strange. I mean...Turk Broda was only a 1st team all-star twice in his long career, the exact same years he won the Vezina, both times beating Brimsek by the thinnest of margins.

This is all very suspicious stuff. I think Brimsek is rightfully probably a 4 time 1st team / 4 time 2nd team all-star and one can quibble about another of the 2nd teams maybe being really a 1st. He also lost two prime years to the war, and if there is ever a scenario where we should count lost war years, it is for Brimsek, who was an all-star in the five years preceding the war, and in the three years after the war.

I'll post a bit more on Brimsek later, but the more I look at this player, the more I see the greatest goaltender before Sawchuk, and a guy who may well belong on the same level as Brodeur.

Dwight 02-08-2012 02:59 PM

West Island selects

Jean-Guy Talbot, D

TheDevilMadeMe 02-08-2012 03:00 PM

I've had that undrafted and found information that said that he, Broda, and Brimsek were considered the "big 3 goalies" who were coming back from the War to finally give Durnan some competition. Undrafted, of course, couldn't even hold down a starter's job after the war, but his play leading up to it does appear to have been highly regarded.

vecens24 02-08-2012 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 43806905)
It's been a long time since I've seen Benedict profiled and most of that was based on his stats. I'd definitely like to see what could be done now that we have google archives.

Yeah I feel fairly certain I'm going to use seventies bio as a jump off point that stastically (in seventies own words) he was at worst the Brodeur of his day. At worst to me so far he's one of the best playoff goalies ever, which makes him very valuable in this setting. But we'll see what more I can dig up on him right now/the rest of the night.

BraveCanadian 02-08-2012 03:18 PM

Lots of reputation revitalization for Grant Fuhr here.

Best goaltender in the world for a time.

Sturminator 02-08-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by vecens24 (Post 43806857)
Well, looks like my night is going to be devoted to restoring the good (albeit drunken) reputation of Clint Benedict...

I don't think Brimsek getting more respect would diminish Benedict in any way. I've seen tons of praise of Benedict in old papers; he was very much the real thing. I just get the feeling when reading about Brimsek that he was a Glen Hall type of player: the defining and dominant goalie of an entire decade of hockey. Brimsek doesn't seem to have any playoff blemishes, either, and was probably the playoff here of at least one of his team's two Cups.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...=5544,1228271&

Lewiston Evening Journal - Apr. 14, 1941:

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Brimsek Logical Hero of Stanley Cup Hockey Series

Boston -AP: As goes Brimsek so goes the Bruins was the watchword and little Frank came thru (sic)...When you start adding up the credits for the Stanley Cup this year the cool goalie is the answer...

Watching the whole series - from Toronto thru Detroit - there is only one logical hero and that is Brimsek... You can name more of them and the one on the tip of your tongue is Milt Schmidt...That great center was tremendous and so was xxxxxxx."
Looks to me like Brimsek had at least a couple of years in the early 40's of absolute dominance.

Here's another interesting one:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...g=1386,3581773

It seems to indicate that in 1943 when xxxxxx won the Vezina, he may not have even been the second best goalie - that he thought himself behind both Brimsek and Broda. Also interesting the bit about Brimsek handling rebounds better than Turk.

vecens24 02-08-2012 03:53 PM

Oh Sturm that wasn't directed to you and your attempts to get Brimsek the respect he may deserve. That was towards the fact that Benedict has been questioned for pretty much the last 4 pages or so ever since Vezina was selected.

JFA87-66-99 02-08-2012 04:58 PM

I'm not sure if anyone said Tony Esposito was better than Brimsek or Gardiner in a definitive answer. I do think Esposito is close to being in the top 15 goalies of all-time. Maybe slightly behind those two.

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 43807217)
Lots of reputation revitalization for Grant Fuhr here.

Best goaltender in the world for a time.

Awesome bio on Grant Fuhr!

seventieslord 02-08-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JFA87-66-99 (Post 43804479)
Sorry seventies, I didn't mean to slight you in a anyway, I think your work and knowledge around here speaks for itself. I actually have Tony Esposito ranked #13 or #14 on my all-time ranking so yeah I shouldn't have said about a top 20 ranking.

I know it wasn’t a slight, but it is disappointing to see him wait as long as he did to get selected this time. I would be even more disappointed if you didn’t select him when you did, right?

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 43804743)
I think it's ridiculous to consider Tony Esposito, who was at best the 3rd best goalie of the 1970s (definitely behind Dryden and Parent but with Tretiak and Holecek in the mix as well) to be better than anyone who ever played prior to 1950 (edit: Or I guess anyone who played other than Benedict?)

Mmm hmm. And right now three of the goalies who are in almost everyone’s top 5, were all active between 1993 and 2003.

And, if we’re having this ATD in 1972, the three best goalies of all-time were just active concurrently for most of the past 20 years. That doesn’t sound right, does it?

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Esposito over Brimsek is completely unjustifiable IMO. If you value longevity highly, I guess I can see Esposito over Gardiner, but considering Gardiner had a peak that had many calling him the best goalie to have ever played (up until that point which ended in 1934), I find it a real stretch to prefer Esposito to him.
What’s interesting about that, is that I don’t think you would even put Brimsek over Gardiner, would you?

Yes, Esposito vs. Gardiner is an interesting case of peak vs. longevity on the surface. But really, that makes it sound like Esposito didn’t ever have that high peak, that all he did was Brodeur his way to a long and successful regular season career. That is not the case. He was a three-time 1st-team all-star including two a decade apart. Disregard 1980 because I know you will anyway, but in the 1970 and 1972 years, Espo put up seasons as impressive as anything Gardiner ever did. This is confirmed by the all-star voting and his competition for it, the Hart voting (runner up to Orr, for example), and save percentage. He was absolutely dominant those two seasons, so characterizing him as being all about longevity without the peak is false. In between those seasons he posted a playoff for the ages, so long as you call the one flubbed shot at the end what it is – one shot.

You could say Gardiner was the undisputed best goalie in the world for the period of 1931-1934 and it would not be incorrect for me to counter by saying Esposito was the undisputed best goalie in the world for the period of 1970-1974. Where would that leave us? (answer – probably looking at competition in those years, and what they did outside of those years)

I don’t need to bore you with the lengthy list of additional times he ranked very highly in save %, minutes, and earned significant votes for the all-star teams and hart. You already know he has the sustained performance part going for him.

As for Brimsek, all I said was that there’s a case. Yeah, 8 all-star teams and all, but with 30 years separating them (and of course the much larger league Espo played in which we all know plays a factor in goalies racking up all-star team totals comparable to the oldies) it is a worthy question – is 2+6 in the 1940s better than 3+2* in the 1970s? Particularly when other factors are considered:

1. When Espo was not an all-star, he was still an excellent goaltender. Year in, year out. Voting, polls, scouting reports and stats prove it.
2. *Since we’re rewriting history I should point out that Espo deserved to be a 2nd team all-star in 1978. He posted much better personal numbers in more or less the same GP, for a team much less heavy on the defensive players. So with history rewritten, is 4+4 in the 1940s better than 3+3 in the 1970s?


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Originally Posted by DoMakc (Post 43805971)
Considering the fact that Gardiner was always money in playoffs and Esposito ... gulp... wasn't...

Someone must have done a real sell job on you. Gardiner’s playoff resume is based on making the playoffs 4 times and playing 21 games. By all accounts, his 1934 was awesome but I don’t see why that extends to his other three playoffs being otherworldly, legendary or in any other way outstanding. He just did a good job.

Obviously sv% stats exist in Esposito’s time and not in Gardiner’s time. So the below is not a perfect comparison. But it is worthy of discussion what is a more impressive career-long achievement – making the playoffs 4 times in 7 years and having a weighted GAA that averaged 20% better than the league average over 21 games - or, making the playoffs 14 straight times and posting a weighted sv% 4% better than the league average, maintained over 99 games.

EagleBelfour 02-08-2012 05:21 PM

Right now, the list of goalie selected, in order:

Dominik Hasek, G
Terry Sawchuk, G
Patrick Roy, G
Jacques Plante, G
Glenn Hall, G
---
Ken Dryden, G
Martin Brodeur, G
Clint Benedict, G
Vladislav Tretiak, G
Turk Broda, G
---
Johnny Bower, G
Frank Brimsek, G
Bernie Parent, G
Bill Durnan, G
Ed Belfour, G
---
Chuck Gardiner, G
Billy Smith, G
Jiri Holecek, G
Tiny Thompson, G
Tony Esposito, G
---
Georges Vezina, G
Grant Fuhr, G

I think the Top-13, all the way down to Parent, is definitely better than Tony Esposito. Is anyone will make a claim for Esposito over Durnan. Durnan with the higher peak, Esposito the longer career. Both have big question mark in playoffs. I wouldn't do the claim. Chuck Gardiner is another goaltender with a short career, but his peak and playoff performances are better.


My take:
- On a list: #17, over Billy Smith and Tiny Thompson
- In the All-Time Draft, toss up between Thompson and and Esposito at #18. With the right team, I would take Grant Fuhr and undrafted over him.

Overall, I believe he got taken about where he should. I don't want to argue for 1-2 spot too high or low.

BraveCanadian 02-08-2012 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JFA87-66-99 (Post 43811843)
Awesome bio on Grant Fuhr!

Thanks, I hope some more people read it if they weren't watching hockey at that time because I found plenty of contemporary opinions that he was the best goalie in the league/world.

Seems like his reputation has been sliding.. I thought I was getting a pretty good bargain at 220-whatever it was..

EagleBelfour 02-08-2012 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BraveCanadian (Post 43812949)
Seems like his reputation has been sliding.. I thought I was getting a pretty good bargain at 220-whatever it was..

Looking at how the goaltenders usually went pretty late this time, I feel like I'm the only one who didn't got value when I took my goaltender!

I think it's more important to compares the goaltenders in between them. Fuhr was the 22nd goaltender taken. You would rank him over which goaltenders taken so far?

TheDevilMadeMe 02-08-2012 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleBelfour (Post 43812485)
Right now, the list of goalie selected, in order:

Dominik Hasek, G
Terry Sawchuk, G
Patrick Roy, G
Jacques Plante, G
Glenn Hall, G
---
Ken Dryden, G
Martin Brodeur, G
Clint Benedict, G
Vladislav Tretiak, G
Turk Broda, G
---
Johnny Bower, G
Frank Brimsek, G
Bernie Parent, G
Bill Durnan, G
Ed Belfour, G
---
Chuck Gardiner, G
Billy Smith, G
Jiri Holecek, G
Tiny Thompson, G
Tony Esposito, G
---
Georges Vezina, G
Grant Fuhr, G

I think the Top-13, all the way down to Parent, is definitely better than Tony Esposito. Is anyone will make a claim for Esposito over Durnan. Durnan with the higher peak, Esposito the longer career. Both have big question mark in playoffs. I wouldn't do the claim. Chuck Gardiner is another goaltender with a short career, but his peak and playoff performances are better.


My take:
- On a list: #17, over Billy Smith and Tiny Thompson
- In the All-Time Draft, toss up between Thompson and and Esposito at #18. With the right team, I would take Grant Fuhr and undrafted over him.

Overall, I believe he got taken about where he should. I don't want to argue for 1-2 spot too high or low.

Wow, I typed up a long post taking issue with some of your list, then I realized that it was just the order these guys were drafted in. :laugh:


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