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Koto 02-15-2012 10:32 PM

Chi-Edm-LA
 
To Edm:
Bernier
Salary Dump If Nesc, (Penner?) - Must be an expiring contract.

To Chi:
Khabby

To La:
Hemsky
Emery
Edm 4th

Shellz 02-15-2012 10:34 PM

Yeah, no way from LA.

xX Hot Fuss 02-15-2012 10:36 PM

Chi trades Emery for Khabi? No thanks either. He's not worth his 3.75 cap hit next year. Even with now bad the hawks tending has been

Homesick 02-15-2012 10:39 PM

Berniers development has stalled at best. I wouldnt feel any better with a Dubnyk/Bernier tandem next season over Duby/Khaby. Khabibulin is a good mentor

KINGS17 02-15-2012 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homesick (Post 44230429)
Berniers development has stalled at best. I wouldnt feel any better with a Dubnyk/Bernier tandem next season over Duby/Khaby. Khabibulin is a good mentor

Why is that exactly? He has played well this season. He is the backup to one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL. That doesn't effect Bernier's ability or potential.

Cruel11 02-15-2012 10:43 PM

LA passes.

stoff 02-15-2012 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KINGS17 (Post 44230725)
Why is that exactly? He has played well this season. He is the backup to one of the top 5 goalies in the NHL. That doesn't effect Bernier's ability or potential.

Or because his sv% has gone down for the 3rd straight year.

Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2012 10:49 PM

To take on Khabby the Hawks would have to send Crawford the Oilers way

stoff 02-15-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 44231125)
To take on Khabby the Hawks would have to send Crawford the Oilers way

Is this for salary reasons?? Because if not they can wait till offseason to trade him. Need 2 good goalies for a playoff run nowadays.

Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2012 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoff (Post 44231393)
Is this for salary reasons?? Because if not they can wait till offseason to trade him. Need 2 good goalies for a playoff run nowadays.

Longterm cap reasons + to clear way for Salak or young goalie acq via trade to be #1 next year while Khabby slots in as vet #2 in final year in NHL

nzoilerfan 02-15-2012 10:55 PM

TO EDM
Bernier
Penner

TO LAK
Crawford
Hemsky

TO CHI
Khabibulin
EDM 3rd

Better?

Blackhawkswincup 02-15-2012 10:56 PM

Kings would balk at taking on Crawford with the prospects they have in pipeline in net (Jones/Zatkoff)

Callidusblackhawk 02-15-2012 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nzoilerfan (Post 44231483)
TO EDM

TO LAK
Crawford
Hemsky

Better?

I don't think that LA will want 2.75m in cap tied up in a back up.

Ollie Weeks 02-15-2012 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoff (Post 44231095)
Or because his sv% has gone down for the 3rd straight year.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/gamelog/?id=5874

2 bad games.

rajuabju 02-15-2012 11:18 PM

LA hangs up.

We need top 6 scoring. And no, Hemsky is not the answer for us, unless we're dumping Penner and nothing more than a mid-round pick.

jumptheshark 02-15-2012 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellz (Post 44230117)
Yeah, no way from LA.

as an oiler fan I think the kings reponse would be more like **** no

RAZZIE King 02-15-2012 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogEatDog (Post 44233515)
as an oiler fan I think the kings reponse would be more like **** no

...and even THAT is too mild of a statement...:D:D:D

Whoyawit* 02-16-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cruel11 (Post 44230749)
LA passes.

Well they certainly don't score..........

drugold 02-16-2012 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OIL4ONE ONE4OIL (Post 44237085)
Well they certainly don't score..........

Your absolutely correct. We dont score goals. Would Hemsky help us? Not much. Who has a sniper but needs a finesse playmaker? Probably the Jackets (Nash & Carter) Powerforwards, Sniper Calgary (Igninla, Glencross, Cammi). Id base a realistic deal around those two teams.

If you have a prospect with a good to great shooting percentage I think we could work out a deal. Otherwise Troll.yalata

Homesick 02-16-2012 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ollie Weeks (Post 44231735)

You see two bad games; I see two good games. Thats how seasons go. All games count. Giving up Hemsky, Khabibulin and a 3rd plus having to pay Penner 800+k for the rest of the season is too much for Bernier

Homesick 02-16-2012 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OIL4ONE ONE4OIL (Post 44237085)
Well they certainly don't score..........

uncalled for

markisonfire 02-16-2012 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stoff (Post 44231095)
Or because his sv% has gone down for the 3rd straight year.

The Kings have scored 17 goals in the 607 minutes that Jonathan Bernier has played this year. That's pathetic. That's 1.68 goals per game of offense that he's receiving. I feel for the guy. Take out the Detroit game where he let in five goals (after the defense had already given up - the Wings had scored three in the first eight minutes and then Quick was pulled) and he's had a pretty solid season, especially for a backup. Removing the Detroit game from his totals results in a .919 save percentage and a 2.08 GAA. That one Detroit game skews his numbers quite a bit - but a .900 SV% and a 2.57 GAA doesn't really tell the true tale of his play this season.

He is a former 11th overall pick and one the most highly touted goalie prospects in the league. He has developed well in the Kings' system and is ready to take on a starting role. I can see him landing in Tampa Bay or New Jersey and taking a big step forward in his career. His value is still pretty high.

That TSN link is misleading by the way - that calculated his season totals on a per game basis. His real game by game breakdown is here: http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id...12012&view=log

Homesick 02-16-2012 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markisonfire (Post 44239495)
The Kings have scored 17 goals in the 607 minutes that Jonathan Bernier has played this year. That's pathetic. That's 1.68 goals per game of offense that he's receiving. I feel for the guy. Take out the Detroit game where he let in five goals (after the defense had already given up - the Wings had scored three in the first eight minutes and then Quick was pulled) and he's had a pretty solid season, especially for a backup. Removing the Detroit game from his totals results in a .919 save percentage and a 2.08 GAA. That one Detroit game skews his numbers quite a bit - but a .900 SV% and a 2.57 GAA doesn't really tell the true tale of his play this season.

He is a former 11th overall pick and one the most highly touted goalie prospects in the league. He has developed well in the Kings' system and is ready to take on a starting role. I can see him landing in Tampa Bay or New Jersey and taking a big step forward in his career. His value is still pretty high.

He's the oldest goalie prospect in the league. A teams offense has nothing to do with a goalies sv%. You want to omit Berniers games where "the defense had already given up" so why not omit the games where the defense bailed his ass out?

markisonfire 02-16-2012 01:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homesick (Post 44239565)
He's the oldest goalie prospect in the league. A teams offense has nothing to do with a goalies sv%. You want to omit Berniers games where "the defense had already given up" so why not omit the games where the defense bailed his ass out?

Games? One game. Detroit scored three goals in the first eight minutes and proceeded to pound the Kings for the rest of the game. It was a pretty sad sight to see - I watched the whole thing. Mike Richards and Willie Mitchell were injured for that game and this was one of John Stevens' interim head coaching games. Quick had a .571 GAA in just over eight minutes in that game. I'm simply saying that this is the exception, not the norm.

Homesick 02-16-2012 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markisonfire (Post 44239865)
Games? One game. Detroit scored three goals in the first eight minutes and proceeded to pound the Kings for the rest of the game. It was a pretty sad sight to see - I watched the whole thing. Mike Richards and Willie Mitchell were injured for that game and this was one of John Stevens' interim head coaching games. Quick had a .571 GAA in just over eight minutes in that game. I'm simply saying that this is the exception, not the norm.

and 1.000 sv% is the exception, not the norm. The fact is that his development is not progressing like a 4th year pro should be, and the Kings are giving him less starts(which could be indicative of overall team play, Quicks play, or staffs lack of confidence)


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