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tlkamps 02-22-2012 12:32 PM

Trade Deadline Goalies
 
There has been quite a lot of talk during the past week about the Flyers making a move for a goalie. Obviously considering our current situation it stands to reason that it will most likely be a backup goalie. I am not saying that the speculation has legs, but just that a logical person can see that our goalie situation is not the most stable.

If this speculation of the Flyers being interested in the goalie market is true, who do you think they are going to target? Personally it doesnt make sense to make a push for Bernier/Schneider/Harding, just because of our $51 million dollar shooter tutor. Makes most sense to go for veteran, who will come at a cheaper cap hit.

Kaktus* 02-22-2012 12:36 PM

Hmm... Really? Did not see a single thread.

RJ8812 02-22-2012 12:38 PM

no, don't get anyone

tlkamps 02-22-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by nitroglycerin (Post 44646961)
Hmm... Really? Did not see a single thread.

There is a thread regarding the Flyers' goaltending situation on the main forum. Goaltending also comes up in many of the rumor threads regarding the Flyers and potential trade partners. The Avs interested in JVR, the trade for Bernier thread are the ones that come to mind now.

Go For It 02-22-2012 12:50 PM

Using more assets to acquire another goalie?


PJStock* 02-22-2012 12:51 PM

The only veteran goalie I'd consider bringing in would be Giguere and perhaps Nabakov as a very last resort if the goaltending really ***** the bed in the next couple games. Giggy played with Bryz in Anaheim when they won the cup. Not sure what their relationship is and Giguere still has one year left on his contract after this one. Regardless, he'd be a pretty good option as a backup. Bobrovsky could be shipped out for picks/prospect.

DrinkFightFlyers 02-22-2012 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PJStock (Post 44648003)
The only veteran goalie I'd consider bringing in would be Giguere and perhaps Nabakov as a very last resort if the goaltending really ***** the bed in the next couple games. Giggy played with Bryz in Anaheim when they won the cup. Not sure what their relationship is and Giguere still has one year left on his contract after this one. Regardless, he'd be a pretty good option as a backup. Bobrovsky could be shipped out for picks/prospect.

JvR and a 1st for EJ and Jiggy.

Bob for a 1st to anyone.

ORYX 02-22-2012 01:05 PM

No thanks. Let them figure it out for themselves. If goaltending is still an issue in the offseason then I'd prefer not to waste assets now trying for a quick fix instead of a real fix later on.

I think once the new d settle in we will see better goaltending.

orange is better 02-22-2012 01:10 PM

disagree completely. we SHOULD make a move for a high upside young goaltender who could potentially become a franchise goaltender and grow with our young core. Bernier or Schneider are the two we should be looking at. Move bobrovsky, and when Bernier/Schneider get to that level, buyout Bryz or do whatever possible to get him out of here.

mirimon 02-22-2012 01:24 PM

No, as bad as our goalies have been lately I hope we stay pat with them. Bryzgalov is a better goalie than he's shown this season, he will get better (even though he will never live up to that contract), of that I am fairly confident. Bobrovsky is a struggling sophomore goalie. He's not the first of those. No need to panic and sell low (assuming Bobrovsky would be going the other way if we trade for Nabokov or someone else).

Spongolium* 02-22-2012 01:27 PM

We should move bobrovsky and see what the market is willing to pay for him. A late first would be a great pick-up for this young team going forward.

iamcanadian23 02-22-2012 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mirimon (Post 44650049)
Bobrovsky is a struggling sophomore goalie. He's not the first of those. No need to panic and sell low (assuming Bobrovsky would be going the other way if we trade for Nabokov or someone else).

Agreed! With the contract length our starter has, he will inevitably be dealt - but don't sell low because he is in a funk now.

I have seen his name in countless rumours, both because of our situation and his potential - believe there would be a market, don't just give players away.

DrinkFightFlyers 02-22-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Spongolium (Post 44650285)
We should move bobrovsky and see what the market is willing to pay for him. A late first would be a great pick-up for this young team going forward.

I've been saying this for a while. They should really trade him for whatever anyone will give. Not that he is a bad goalie, but he's likely not re-signing here and I doubt his raise will be high enough to get any serious picks for compensation when he signs elsewhere.

RJ8812 02-22-2012 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 44650819)
I've been saying this for a while. They should really trade him for whatever anyone will give. Not that he is a bad goalie, but he's likely not re-signing here and I doubt his raise will be high enough to get any serious picks for compensation when he signs elsewhere.

so then why trade him this year? he's an RFA next year. Hold onto him and move him next year

DrinkFightFlyers 02-22-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ8812 (Post 44650959)
so then why trade him this year? he's an RFA next year. Hold onto him and move him next year

Six of one half dozen of the other. His value is not likely to increase between now and then. It's just as likely they get less for him next year than they would have this year and vice versa. If someone calls up and offers a first, take it because that phone call might not come next year.

pelts35.com 02-22-2012 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mirimon (Post 44650049)
No, as bad as our goalies have been lately I hope we stay pat with them. Bryzgalov is a better goalie than he's shown this season, he will get better (even though he will never live up to that contract), of that I am fairly confident. Bobrovsky is a struggling sophomore goalie. He's not the first of those. No need to panic and sell low (assuming Bobrovsky would be going the other way if we trade for Nabokov or someone else).

As long as Jeff Reese is his goalie coach I don't see him getting better. His game has regressed quite a as the season has gone on. Between that regression and Bryzgalov's aBryzmal play Reese has to be held accountable.

RECsGuy* 02-22-2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PJStock (Post 44648003)
The only veteran goalie I'd consider bringing in would be Giguere and perhaps Nabakov as a very last resort if the goaltending really ***** the bed in the next couple games. Giggy played with Bryz in Anaheim when they won the cup. Not sure what their relationship is and Giguere still has one year left on his contract after this one. Regardless, he'd be a pretty good option as a backup. Bobrovsky could be shipped out for picks/prospect.

Giguere, who is almost 2 years younger than Nabokov, won't cost you in excess of a 2nd Rd. pick. Makes $1.25M through the end of next season. Currently 14W-11L, 2.13 GAA, 0.923 SV%. Very low risk, high reward-type move. The Flyers would have someone a little more solid than Bobrovsky to fall back on should Bryzgalov lay an egg in Philly's playoff opener.

Mgkibbles 02-22-2012 02:54 PM

I'd only be interested in acquiring Nabakov, letting him and Bryzgalov battle it out, and send Bob to the AHL so he's playing consistently. I still have faith in Bob to become a number one goalie, and trading for someone like Bernier seems like a meaningless move to me.

ORYX 02-22-2012 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DrinkFightFlyers (Post 44651357)
Six of one half dozen of the other. His value is not likely to increase between now and then. It's just as likely they get less for him next year than they would have this year and vice versa. If someone calls up and offers a first, take it because that phone call might not come next year.

I kind of agree with this. I don't support the notion by some to go out and get a young franchise goalie when we've got Bob and Bryz.

At the moment Bryz would COST us to get rid of him and certainly isnt playing to his ability. We have to keep him for that reason, as well as maintaining an image as a hockey club that after you get signed if you have a bad season consider yourself as good as gone. You think big free agents will want to come here seeing Richards, Carter and then Bryz all signed to long contracts then dumped somewhere? Not likely.

If you can get a first for Bob, absolutely take that deal. Otherwise there is no need to move him. Don't just make a goaltending move for the sake of it. Trade him for a first if its available, and either package our 2 firsts to move up (depending the placement of both) or stand pat, pick a d-man with both, or maybe that young Russian goalie is available or Malcolm Subban. With bryz contract, if he even plays well, we must keep him. No one will want him with 6-7 years left, maybe 4.

collect a second 1st and our 2nd becomes more expendable, could nab someone like Giggy or Nabokov, two guys with alot of playoff experience to help the cause.

Breeze 44 02-22-2012 03:14 PM

They need to bring Mitch Korn ( Nashville ) in as our goalie coach. I spoke with him when Biron came here and he was told by the Flyers then that they were going to stick with Lemelin (mistake). Just look at the goalies under him and who he's coached in the past and you'll see the man is a guru!! He also had one of the funniest lines as when he was explaining how he has lasted as long as he has having Never played goalie at a high level he said

" I have to work harder than the rest, there's only one other 5'4" jew in the league ...and he runs it" we all cracked up, but that man nows his #$@*

Flyerfan4life 02-22-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgkibbles (Post 44656065)
I'd only be interested in acquiring Nabakov, letting him and Bryzgalov battle it out, and send Bob to the AHL so he's playing consistently. I still have faith in Bob to become a number one goalie, and trading for someone like Bernier seems like a meaningless move to me.

i'd do the same thing cept swap Bob for Bryz.

seriously

King Fish 02-22-2012 04:07 PM

Could Harding, Bernier, or Schneider take us farther this year in the playoffs than either of our two goalies? That is the question. If the answer is yes then you must move Bob so Bryz can sit. I'm not sure which of the three is better though. After how hard we battled last night, if we would have lost I think the team would have murdered Bryz!

King Fish 02-22-2012 04:36 PM

Now that I look at the numbers, what would it take to get Schneider out of Vancouver?

pelts35.com 02-22-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by King Fish (Post 44661897)
Now that I look at the numbers, what would it take to get Schneider out of Vancouver?

More than the flyers have to offer. :)

Philadelphia Ducks 02-22-2012 05:07 PM

No point going for another goalie, vet or not, unless we can find someone to take Bryz off our hands.


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