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ted1971 03-02-2012 09:13 PM

Is Henrik Lundqvist An HOFer?
 
http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...lundqhe01.html

I think that He will be a slam dunk HOF'er.

Regal 03-02-2012 09:32 PM

He's certainly on his way, but he needs to keep adding to his resume. Goaltenders notoriously have it harder than any of the other positions in terms of getting into the hall, and a Vezina and cup seem to be needed on most resumes. He will most likely win the Vezina this year, and the Rangers look to be contenders, so the cup in still up in the air. At the same time, I think with the number of teams and good number one goaltenders in the game today, there will start to be less emphasis on awards and cups and more emphasis on being among the best year in and year out. If he keeps up his play into his mid 30s, with at least some good playoffs thrown in, he will most likely get in as he will be one of the best of his generation.

King Forsberg 03-02-2012 10:49 PM

I think he would have to win something in his career to be considered for the HOF.

MurrayBannerman 03-02-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timonen (Post 45412517)
I think he would have to win something in his career to be considered for the HOF.

He's still got a lot of years left to do that.

Nalyd Psycho 03-02-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MurrayBannerman (Post 45412659)
He's still got a lot of years left to do that.

Yeah, at this point it's really too soon to speculate. But, so far, he's on the right track.

Hardyvan123 03-02-2012 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nalyd Psycho (Post 45412793)
Yeah, at this point it's really too soon to speculate. But, so far, he's on the right track.

He has only played in the NHL since post lockout but over that time he is 4th in wins and 1st in SO and has one of the best Save % at .921

He is well on his way in but of course playoff success would help his case quite a bit.

Big Phil 03-03-2012 12:39 AM

He has a lot of work to do. If we are waiting on Barrasso, Vachon and Vernon to get in then Lundqvist certainly needs more time. Not to mention Joseph getting in is up in the air (I wouldn't induct him). Beezer and Moog are two other ones with some decent credentials that might just wait forever. So in reality he's got a lot of trucking ahead of him in order to make that happen

VanIslander 03-03-2012 12:51 AM

Ryan Miller, Henrik Lundqvist, Miika Kiprusoff... love those guys! :yo: But it's too early to enshrine any of them.

Big Phil 03-03-2012 01:03 AM

Despite the belief that goaltending has gotten a lot better in recent years I think we've gone through a spell since the lockout where there aren't a lot of goalies you would consider locks for the HHOF. It goes in cycles and to be honest since Tretiak got inducted in 1989 there have only been three goalies, Smith, Fuhr and Roy to get in and then Belfour in 2011.

Right now other than Brodeur who is probably in his final season, who are considered to be "locks" playing in the NHL right now? Luongo, Thomas and Fleury are probably the best bets but there would be countless people that would make cases against them. After them there's Kipper, Lundqvist and Miller. All three have a long ways to go to prove it. I don't see what Kipper will do from here on in to add to his resume. The other two have a chance. But after that who else? Nabokov? Ward? Try making cases for them. Won't happen

Morozov 03-03-2012 01:03 AM

Ask me again in 10 years.

TheDevilMadeMe 03-03-2012 01:03 AM

If he wins a Vezina this year and follows a normal career arc, he's going to get in. But those are some ifs

pluppe 03-03-2012 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 45416747)
Despite the belief that goaltending has gotten a lot better in recent years I think we've gone through a spell since the lockout where there aren't a lot of goalies you would consider locks for the HHOF. It goes in cycles and to be honest since Tretiak got inducted in 1989 there have only been three goalies, Smith, Fuhr and Roy to get in and then Belfour in 2011.

Right now other than Brodeur who is probably in his final season, who are considered to be "locks" playing in the NHL right now? Luongo, Thomas and Fleury are probably the best bets but there would be countless people that would make cases against them. After them there's Kipper, Lundqvist and Miller. All three have a long ways to go to prove it. I don't see what Kipper will do from here on in to add to his resume. The other two have a chance. But after that who else? Nabokov? Ward? Try making cases for them. Won't happen

In my opinion Lundquist is clearly ahead of Fleury. Sure itīs a big what if but I have a hard time imagining Lundquist not having a cup if he played for the Penguins.

Itīs not Hasek to Osgood but itīs a way bigger gap than Hasek to Brodeur.

Victory* 03-03-2012 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Timonen (Post 45412517)
I think he would have to win something in his career to be considered for the HOF.

He won an Olympic Gold Medal, the #2 hockey award in the world.

GuineaPig 03-03-2012 09:00 AM

Not yet.

SidGenoMario 03-03-2012 09:01 AM

Only after MAF makes it.

TheMoreYouKnow 03-03-2012 09:26 AM

There are 10 goalies in the HOF who played most of their hockey post-expansion: Dryden, Cheevers, Parent, Esposito, Giacomin, Tretiak, Smith, Fuhr, Roy and Belfour.

Currently out but certs to be in are Hasek and Brodeur. Cujo seems likely. It's been 45 years since expansion. So we are looking at 2-3 goalies per decade on average - though it's obvious the really high-scoring time between ca. 1978 and 93 didn't yield much in the way of goalie induction so it's to be expected that the very low-scoring era post-1997 will be much kinder to goalies.

Given that, I wouldn't be shocked to see 3+ goalies make it from the 00s cohort. But it will be interesting what characteristics will count, Tim Thomas seems a likelihood with 2 Vezinas and 1 Cup. What about the Cup-less Vezina winners in Ryan Miller and Kiprusoff or a currently still Cup-less and 'controversial' but still elite Luongo? What about Osgood? Fleury?

Big Phil 03-03-2012 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pluppe (Post 45420809)
In my opinion Lundquist is clearly ahead of Fleury. Sure itīs a big what if but I have a hard time imagining Lundquist not having a cup if he played for the Penguins.

Itīs not Hasek to Osgood but itīs a way bigger gap than Hasek to Brodeur.

Hard to say. But Fleury had an amazing performance in the 2009 playoffs. It isn't as if he was along for the ride. He was the most important Penguin after Malkin, and probably Crosby too.

SidGenoMario 03-03-2012 09:52 AM

Let's not forget MAF's 2008 playoffs. If Detroit isn't out of this world, or if Malkin plays a bit better, he has 2 rings. He certainly did his part.

Twist and Shout 03-03-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SidGenoMario (Post 45423601)
Let's not forget MAF's 2008 playoffs. If Detroit isn't out of this world, or if Malkin plays a bit better, he has 2 rings. He certainly did his part.

...

Henke is on track to get in and should have done enough by the end of his career.

GuineaPig 03-03-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 45423257)
Hard to say. But Fleury had an amazing performance in the 2009 playoffs. It isn't as if he was along for the ride. He was the most important Penguin after Malkin, and probably Crosby too.

It's a biiiiiiig stretch to call Fleury's 2009 playoffs "amazing."



On the subject of Lundqvist, many hold his playoff performance against him. But I think as he plays more games his career numbers will improve. He has a very good chance of going deep into the playoffs in the next couple years.

kmad 03-03-2012 06:34 PM

Lundqvist is on pace to be enshrined. At worst I think his career will end up equalling Tony Esposito's, even without hardware.

Scottyk9 03-03-2012 06:39 PM

He'll eventually get his team out of the 2nd round right ? :laugh:

All kidding aside if he plays even near this pace for the rest of his career, yes he will be. He's a top 3 goalie now and probably will be for the next 3-5 yrs.

barneyg 03-03-2012 07:16 PM

I'm a Pens fan, but I don't see Fleury in the HOF without a Vezina. The same holds for Lundqvist actually, if somehow he doesn't win it this year. You can obviously win the Vezina without ending up in the HOF but I don't think you can get in without one.

seventieslord 03-05-2012 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by barneyg (Post 45448505)
I'm a Pens fan, but I don't see Fleury in the HOF without a Vezina. The same holds for Lundqvist actually, if somehow he doesn't win it this year. You can obviously win the Vezina without ending up in the HOF but I don't think you can get in without one.

Gerry Cheevers.

nik jr 03-05-2012 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 45423257)
Hard to say. But Fleury had an amazing performance in the 2009 playoffs. It isn't as if he was along for the ride. He was the most important Penguin after Malkin, and probably Crosby too.

not even close to amazing

fleury was mediocre in '09 playoffs, including in finals. if he had been amazing in finals, pittsburgh would have won in less than 7.

fleury was much better in '08 playoffs.


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