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michaelshu 03-03-2012 12:12 AM

Racism in Hockey?
 
So, i found out that there are a group of expats playing every tuesday and i visited and ask if i could join.. they said that they don't accept asian players. They also said that they play pretty hardcore, so I stayed and watch the game... turns out that they're mostly 35+ and play with no contact.. i'm not sure what they mean by "hardcore"

By the end of the game, i tried to talk to another guy who was Canadian and he joked something about asians should not play this kind of game.
Do you guys think that was racist? Or he just didn't like me? They could've just said that they are full, and I'll be fine with it.. but saying stuff like that is not cool in my opinion.

So, any of you guys have experienced something similar? What did you guys do?

PS: I'm not trying to bash Canadians, in fact i love Canadians, i've known a lot of Canadians, they're one of the most friendliest people on earth! Well, except for this one...

Cheers!

Big Phil 03-03-2012 12:55 AM

Was he doing it "tongue in cheek"? In other words was he kidding but sort of made what could be deemed an offensive joke inadvertantly? Sounds awfully bold to say with a straight face.

Andre Boudrias 03-03-2012 01:04 AM

"don't accept asian players." - Racist

JoeCool16 03-03-2012 01:23 AM

That's super racist. I wouldn't want to play with those guys anyways, sounds like they'd be more than happy to take a cheap shot against you and maybe your so-called teammates wouldn't back you up. Sorry to hear about that experience, I come from a very multicultural area of Canada where 50-60% of the league is Asian, and the rest is mostly white or otherwise. We all get along great and I don't ever see any discrimination.

I'm also white, so I realize I'm not going to have many incidents where I experience racism firsthand. Makes me sad to think that my countrymen, living in Indonesia, would act like that. I hope you can find someone else to play with over there.

Man Bear Pig 03-03-2012 01:34 AM

That's pretty ****ing racist. I couldn't imagine someone telling me that because I'm white I couldn't play a game. You should try and join the league and ****ing school them. I actually remember when I boxed I had a black guy tell me that "white boys can't scrap". I'm sorry what did you say? I couldn't hear you when your face hit the mat. Anyways, you should have asked them if they've ever heard of this guy named Paul Kariya. Or Richard Park. Or Brandon Yip. Or Devon Setoguchi.

Wilch 03-03-2012 03:59 AM

Nope. Wasn't like this in Shanghai. You must've gotten quite unlucky and ran into a group of asswipes.

vapor11 03-03-2012 07:55 AM

Are you a beginner to hockey and did you explain this to them? I am sure that had more to do with it then being Asian..

No offense(everybody has to start somewhere) but if they play a competitive game they probably are not willing to take on beginners upsetting the flow of the game..

Find a different group

madmutter 03-03-2012 09:46 AM

I'm going to pay devil's advocate here a little bit. Is it possible that the policy isn't "no Asians" exactly but more like "Canadians only"? If the purpose of this weekly game is to get together with some other people from home and do something you do at home because you are homesick then that might put it in a light that isn't as offensive.
Even if that is the case though statements like "Asians shouldn't play hockey" are rude, ignorant, wrong and yes, racist.

hyster110 03-03-2012 09:47 AM

if its their ice time and they rent it, they can say what ever they want and let who ever they want play, sounds to me like it was a ****** excuse, when they wanted to say no only us.

does it suck, yes but people are like that, find another group

Droid6 03-03-2012 09:54 AM

At the least they were trying to blow you off in a humorous (to them) way. They sound like cocky dick-heads and you're probably better off that they declined when you asked them to join their team. I wish there was more diversity in hockey for the simple fact that I think hockey is the best sport in the world and the more people involved the better.

Jarick 03-03-2012 10:14 AM

They're racists but I don't think it's a cultural epidemic.

Droid6 03-03-2012 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarick (Post 45424211)
They're racists but I don't think it's a cultural epidemic.

I don't like calling anybody racist because you never truly know what's in their heart, most people I know that say racist **** on occasion don't mean it and they just think it's funny to say distasteful ****. I love racial jokes, that doesn't mean I have hate in my heart for any race. Sounds like these guys are just a little ignorant and don't recognize when they are crossing the line, I doubt they truly hate asians.

r3cc0s 03-03-2012 12:25 PM

Completely Racist! but I know where he's coming from
its somewhat true though... most asians can't play hockey well nor sports in general.

Not many "hard" asian's really... this includes even East Indians

I'm Chinese, but I'm first gen and grew up playing hockey, football, soccer and the like
however I was somewhat a disgrace to my mother, as I spent more of my time playing sports than taking "typical" piano lessons and "studying" lol

I still did well enough in school, I grew up in Winnipeg and ther were only like 2 chinese kids in my school, so I grew up pretty much 100% "Canadian" and somehow managed to keep up and grew to 6' tall, though my parents are tiny peeps.

in Short, there are MANY good young "Asian" (oriental, or Indo) hockey players these days. I live in Calgary now, and in the North East, which is a predominantly a multi-cultural area, are pumping out really excellent hockey players out of their Minor hockey association.
mind you many of these "multi-cultural" kids these days are 1st or 2nd gen Canadian

So in this City, I have never seen anyone "judge" someone for being ethnic

That being said... there are also many many asian people who haven't ever played the game and being later in life somewhat have the disposable income to blow on the most expensive equipment, but won't spend it or time on lessons lol
This is the same with Golf, and never get stuck behind an old "Asian" foursome, especially if there are old women there.

"maybe" once in a while I see some racism on the ice, some idiot will try to pick me out... but I usually show em up by playing hard relentless hockey, and have no problems picking up the physicality and intensity if it requires. (most people haven't played "real" competitive sports, let alone play defence in CIS football)

a while back, I was stretching by my bench, and this dude on the other team skates by the red line and says: "Keep your head up, or its coming off"... "make sure your chin strap it tight"

so... sure enough I tell ole' cap that I want to be on the ice when he's on...
I was playing Center, but decided to switch it up with my left d' man and his team dumped it in and we're chasing in for the corner... I look back and can tell he was going to paste me in the numbers, but I'm a better, faster skate... and right before I get to the puck, I brake... which is "bad" cause I could get boarded, but I just side step him, he doesn't really slow, and he lines himself into the glass, and I for good measure, as touch the puck and transition with some speed right into him HARD and knock the wind right out of him

I look down and said, just try to keep brining it buddy, I'll be here.

Stickmata 03-03-2012 12:34 PM

Agree that it was a disgusting thing to say, joke or not, but private pickup groups, in general, do not allow people in without an invitation from someone already in the group and there's sometimes some sensitivity about that among the players.

A good snarky comeback would have been something like "oh, I thought maybe you were just full, I didn't realize you were all from the 18th century."

One of the best players in our entire league is a young Asian guy who would probably have made all those guys look like fools.

Wilch 03-03-2012 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by r3cc0s (Post 45428569)
Not many "hard" asian's really... this includes even East Indians

Quite the contrary. Almost all the Asian players I know who plays hockey in Taiwan or Shanghai are really good players. Most people either pick up the sports when they're really young or never pick it up at all.

neksys 03-03-2012 02:18 PM

Now you have the motivation you need to get a team full of asian players together, practice hard, and challenge these folks to a game ;)

ponder 03-03-2012 02:32 PM

Sounds extremely racist to me, bunch of *******s IMO. As for hockey culture in general, I've played with/against players of all races and never seen much in the way of racism, but I'm white so I wouldn't be experiencing it firsthand. While hockey is a fairly white sport, almost every team I've played on has had at least a few non-white players (have played/lived in Toronto and Vancouver, two pretty multicultural cities), and I can't bring to mind any racism on the teams at all.


Quote:

Originally Posted by r3cc0s (Post 45428569)
Completely Racist! but I know where he's coming from
its somewhat true though... most asians can't play hockey well nor sports in general.

Not many "hard" asian's really... this includes even East Indians

I'm Chinese, but I'm first gen and grew up playing hockey, football, soccer and the like
however I was somewhat a disgrace to my mother, as I spent more of my time playing sports than taking "typical" piano lessons and "studying" lol

I still did well enough in school, I grew up in Winnipeg and ther were only like 2 chinese kids in my school, so I grew up pretty much 100% "Canadian" and somehow managed to keep up and grew to 6' tall, though my parents are tiny peeps.

in Short, there are MANY good young "Asian" (oriental, or Indo) hockey players these days. I live in Calgary now, and in the North East, which is a predominantly a multi-cultural area, are pumping out really excellent hockey players out of their Minor hockey association.
mind you many of these "multi-cultural" kids these days are 1st or 2nd gen Canadian

So in this City, I have never seen anyone "judge" someone for being ethnic

That being said... there are also many many asian people who haven't ever played the game and being later in life somewhat have the disposable income to blow on the most expensive equipment, but won't spend it or time on lessons lol
This is the same with Golf, and never get stuck behind an old "Asian" foursome, especially if there are old women there.

"maybe" once in a while I see some racism on the ice, some idiot will try to pick me out... but I usually show em up by playing hard relentless hockey, and have no problems picking up the physicality and intensity if it requires. (most people haven't played "real" competitive sports, let alone play defence in CIS football)

a while back, I was stretching by my bench, and this dude on the other team skates by the red line and says: "Keep your head up, or its coming off"... "make sure your chin strap it tight"

so... sure enough I tell ole' cap that I want to be on the ice when he's on...
I was playing Center, but decided to switch it up with my left d' man and his team dumped it in and we're chasing in for the corner... I look back and can tell he was going to paste me in the numbers, but I'm a better, faster skate... and right before I get to the puck, I brake... which is "bad" cause I could get boarded, but I just side step him, he doesn't really slow, and he lines himself into the glass, and I for good measure, as touch the puck and transition with some speed right into him HARD and knock the wind right out of him

I look down and said, just try to keep brining it buddy, I'll be here.

I don't know, in Vancouver there are TONNES of excellent Asian hockey players. I only moved here to start university, but have been here for around 7-8 years now, and in all the beer league hockey I've played it's been around 55% white, 30% Asian, 15% other ethnicities, with the Asian players being every bit as good as the white players on average. On my highschool hockey team in Toronto, our best player was Chinese, and our 2nd best player was Indian, though both were 1st generation Canadians. As you said, it's mostly kids who are ethnically Asian but born in Canada, but that's obviously going to be the case since hockey isn't too popular in most/all Asian countries.

JoeCool16 03-03-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by neksys (Post 45434159)
Now you have the motivation you need to get a team full of asian players together, practice hard, and challenge these folks to a game ;)

Haha, so pretty much the plot from Breakaway?

drivesrf 03-03-2012 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeCool16 (Post 45440253)
Haha, so pretty much the plot from Breakaway?


Where can I see that movie can't find it anywhere! It looks great

michaelshu 03-03-2012 06:44 PM

I know skill-wise I can play with them, that's for sure. Like I said, they're older guys and probably just playing for some exercise. I didn't talk to them looking for competition, just a good game and maybe some new friends who loves hockey (trust me, you won't find many here).

I'm not even angry, just.. disappointed. They could've help contribute in developing the game here.

Royal Canuck 03-03-2012 06:47 PM

That would be considered racist. However the term "hardcore" could be by the chirps that fly around, not the contact.

michaelshu 03-03-2012 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 45416575)
Was he doing it "tongue in cheek"? In other words was he kidding but sort of made what could be deemed an offensive joke inadvertantly? Sounds awfully bold to say with a straight face.

I'm not sure, he was smirking so i also thought of the possibility that he was joking. That's why I didn't say anything.

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Originally Posted by JoeCool16 (Post 45417185)
That's super racist. I wouldn't want to play with those guys anyways, sounds like they'd be more than happy to take a cheap shot against you and maybe your so-called teammates wouldn't back you up. Sorry to hear about that experience, I come from a very multicultural area of Canada where 50-60% of the league is Asian, and the rest is mostly white or otherwise. We all get along great and I don't ever see any discrimination.

I'm also white, so I realize I'm not going to have many incidents where I experience racism firsthand. Makes me sad to think that my countrymen, living in Indonesia, would act like that. I hope you can find someone else to play with over there.

Yeah probably they will. I've a had quite a few Canadian friends before and all of them were awesome, I find that Canadians are similar with Indonesians in terms of being friendly. So, I was pretty surprised when i met this guy.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kessel (Post 45421145)
Are you a beginner to hockey and did you explain this to them? I am sure that had more to do with it then being Asian..

No offense(everybody has to start somewhere) but if they play a competitive game they probably are not willing to take on beginners upsetting the flow of the game..

Find a different group

Yeah, I talked to their organizer and explained that I'm used to playing with bigger guys. Also told him I played juniors in Sweden even though it was 10 years ago. And no, they are not competitive. Just guys looking for some exercise.

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmutter (Post 45423407)
I'm going to pay devil's advocate here a little bit. Is it possible that the policy isn't "no Asians" exactly but more like "Canadians only"? If the purpose of this weekly game is to get together with some other people from home and do something you do at home because you are homesick then that might put it in a light that isn't as offensive.
Even if that is the case though statements like "Asians shouldn't play hockey" are rude, ignorant, wrong and yes, racist.

No, I overheard a few guys talking in different accents. Pretty sure one of them is from Eastern Europe and the organizer said he's American.

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Originally Posted by Droid6 (Post 45428429)
I don't like calling anybody racist because you never truly know what's in their heart, most people I know that say racist **** on occasion don't mean it and they just think it's funny to say distasteful ****. I love racial jokes, that doesn't mean I have hate in my heart for any race. Sounds like these guys are just a little ignorant and don't recognize when they are crossing the line, I doubt they truly hate asians.

Yeah I understand that, I love racial jokes too but only to guys I know. I wouldn't say it to strangers, that would be rude.. Except if I was rude to him in the first place, then I probably deserved it.

Kyndig86 03-03-2012 07:08 PM

Every country has its bad apples. I probably would have said the same thing about not accepting asian players. Though it would be in jest and would've taken you on my team.

Most of my friends are asian lol. (too much online gaming :P)

Rizzy13 03-03-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Droid6 (Post 45428429)
I don't like calling anybody racist because you never truly know what's in their heart, most people I know that say racist **** on occasion don't mean it and they just think it's funny to say distasteful ****. I love racial jokes, that doesn't mean I have hate in my heart for any race. Sounds like these guys are just a little ignorant and don't recognize when they are crossing the line, I doubt they truly hate asians.

i like what you said about how they don't mean it. i was in a playoff round robin the other day and line up for the draw and the dude's like "go back to pakistan, this isn't cricket"... i literally lol'ed on the inside but it actually made me super mad. but whatever, we face them again soon and hopefully he feels like a complete idiot when his team loses

ThisIsMyAlibi 03-03-2012 08:18 PM

I don't know how you're so calm about it. They were being racist to your face and it's disgusting.

Quote:

They're racists but I don't think it's a cultural epidemic.
While I agree that it's not an epidemic...it's still pretty damn bad these days.


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