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 ClasslessGuy 03-10-2012 01:50 PM

Great Tinordi Article

Part 2 of the prospect watch by Godin

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hoc...7_accueil_POS4

He's up to 213 pounds now.

Tinordi would need to get to at least 225 before he can be effective in the NHL in the role the Habs drafted him for.

 Boulette Cannon 03-10-2012 01:56 PM

Not really. He can be effective without weighing 225. He just needs strong legs and a solid core.

The Knights' website says that he weighs 218 now. 225 isn't a far cry from 218 and, if he weighed 230+ by the time he is ready for the big team (be it Magnitka or the Habs) it should help.

 ClasslessGuy 03-10-2012 02:03 PM

after 2-3 years pro he should go up to at least 230-240

 Protest the Hero 03-10-2012 03:03 PM

Get him on the Emelin diet(here comes the pic).

 Redux91 03-10-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mathradio (Post 45838041) Tinordi would need to get to at least 225 before he can be effective in the NHL in the role the Habs drafted him for.
Says WHO? You?? What if 225 makes him slow as ****? God some people think this height/ weight ratio is so easy to determine

Your one of tho who thinks JUST because hes 6"7 hes GOTTA be 240 pounds + , get real

 Captain Saku 03-10-2012 03:14 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 45841781) Says WHO? You?? What if 225 makes him slow as ****? God some people think this height/ weight ratio is so easy to determine Your one of tho who thinks JUST because hes 6"7 hes GOTTA be 240 pounds + , get real
Tinordi is not Gill he skates 10 times better and is a lot more mobile. I don't think 225 would slow him significantly.

 poetryinmotion 03-10-2012 03:15 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 45841781) Says WHO? You?? What if 225 makes him slow as ****? God some people think this height/ weight ratio is so easy to determine Your one of tho who thinks JUST because hes 6"7 hes GOTTA be 240 pounds + , get real
Why would it make him slower? He has the frame to fill while already being a very good skater.

 BaseballCoach 03-10-2012 03:34 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 45841781) Says WHO? You?? What if 225 makes him slow as ****? God some people think this height/ weight ratio is so easy to determine Your one of tho who thinks JUST because hes 6"7 hes GOTTA be 240 pounds + , get real
I guess it is not impossible he grew 2 inches since being drafted at 18, but I think they said then he was 6'5"

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Redux91 (Post 45841781) Says WHO? You?? What if 225 makes him slow as ****? God some people think this height/ weight ratio is so easy to determine Your one of tho who thinks JUST because hes 6"7 hes GOTTA be 240 pounds + , get real
He needs not be 240+, but at 213 (or 218) he still has a little frame-flling to do to be effective in the NHL.

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 Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 45842047) Why would it make him slower? He has the frame to fill while already being a very good skater.
Even at 225 he would skate better than Gill ever did as a Hab.

 Rise from the Ashes 03-10-2012 03:50 PM

Nothing we didnt know. He is a character guy which is the main reason he will be a mainstay in the NHL.

 Patty Roy 03-10-2012 04:44 PM

Adam McQuaid is 6'4" 197 and he seems to be doing fairly well at the NHL level.

I suspect Tinordi will continue to gain weight each of the next few years, but to suggest he needs to be at X weight to play at the pro level is silly.

 Vsevolod Bobrov 03-10-2012 04:50 PM

ITT: Clueless unathletic HFtards talk about weight

 TheBuriedHab 03-10-2012 04:54 PM

Pronger only weighs 220. Said if you put too much weight on it can affect you big time in the long run. I think anywhere from 210-220 he will be just fine.

 Mrb1p 03-10-2012 05:14 PM

Weight is one thing.

Lean mass is another.

He need's to add lean mass for sure. Is game is all about overpowering. He's not gonna overpower Lucic or Ovechkin like that...
Overall mass is the most important thing in the NHL. Look at Patches before is 10 pound bulk.
A nice chart to follow would be to start from 5' foot and 100 lbs. Add 10 LBS with every inches.
So to say a 6' would be 200 to have good balance (P.K....) Then a 6'7 would have to be 270... Difference is at 250+ There's not really alot of people weighting more than you. And there is not alot of people (If we are talking about Lean muscle mass) that would be stronger.

So to say, Even if he added 100 pounds of lean muscle to his frame he wouldnt be slower. Just look at Allistair Overheem. He's the perfect example.

At 220 he'd start to be effective against weaker players.
Notice I dindt say smaller. or lighter.

 Hugo Sham 03-10-2012 05:27 PM

yeah read he's playing at 209 now and can expect to get to 250-260 in a few years lol

 Kriss E 03-10-2012 05:32 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 45848355) Weight is one thing. Lean mass is another. He need's to add lean mass for sure. Is game is all about overpowering. He's not gonna overpower Lucic or Ovechkin like that... Overall mass is the most important thing in the NHL. Look at Patches before is 10 pound bulk. A nice chart to follow would be to start from 5' foot and 100 lbs. Add 10 LBS with every inches. So to say a 6' would be 200 to have good balance (P.K....) Then a 6'7 would have to be 270... Difference is at 250+ There's not really alot of people weighting more than you. And there is not alot of people (If we are talking about Lean muscle mass) that would be stronger. So to say, Even if he added 100 pounds of lean muscle to his frame he wouldnt be slower. Just look at Allistair Overheem. He's the perfect example. At 220 he'd start to be effective against weaker players. Notice I dindt say smaller. or lighter.
Fatigue can become a factor.

Fresh on the ice, no problem. Playing back to back games, 3 games in 4 nights, 4 games in a week, it could take its toll.
Then again, it does on everybody.

But essentially yes, slowing building up his muscle mass wouldn't affect his game.
The only way his speed and mobility get affected is if he adds 15-30lbs over a couple of months, which would obviously mean a big gain in fat.

I think we'd all love to see Tinordi become as big as big Buff, except taller, while remaining as fluid and mobile as he is, but even if he doesn't and remains at about 215-220, it really doesn't matter.

 Mrb1p 03-10-2012 05:34 PM

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 Originally Posted by CHill Seeker (Post 45849191) yeah read he's playing at 209 now and can expect to get to 250-260 in a few years lol
Expect 12 pounds by year.

IF, is goal is to gain weight...

To remain healthy 1 to 2 pound per weak gained/loss is what you want.

3-4 Months of offseason = around 12 weeks so around 10-15 pounds.
In two years (He'll spend next in AHL.) he'll be ready to hop in the nhl at 225-240.

Tyler Myers size would do sufficiently.

Really tho, whatever weight he is most effective at is where we want him to be.

What weight is that? Who in the hell knows.

Time will tell.

No sense in arguing over it.

 Mrb1p 03-10-2012 05:41 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Canada180 (Post 45849939) Tyler Myers size would do sufficiently. Really tho, whatever weight he is most effective at is where we want him to be. What weight is that? Who in the hell knows. Time will tell. No sense in arguing over it.
Actually like I explained 4 post above, There is much sense in arguing over it.

Tyler Myers is not the same style of player.

 theboss* 03-10-2012 05:46 PM

Future D

Tinordi-Subban
Beaulieu-(right hand d-man)
Emelin-Josh G

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 45850179) Actually like I explained 4 post above, There is much sense in arguing over it. Tyler Myers is not the same style of player.
So you have to be the same kind of player to be the same weight? Got me there bro.

If Tinordi is mobile ( not necessarily AS mobile)as Myers and palys a physical game like we want......no problem

 ClasslessGuy 03-10-2012 05:56 PM

Markov Subban
Gorges Beaulieu
Tinordi Emelin

don't really know if the position are right but that's a nice lineup

 Mrb1p 03-10-2012 05:58 PM

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Canada180 (Post 45850603) So you have to be the same kind of player to be the same weight? Got me there bro. If Tinordi is mobile ( not necessarily AS mobile)as Myers and palys a physical game like we want......no problem
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...2sj_uKWCI6gM3g

Read back my first post, kind sir.

I specified that Tinordi overpowers guys in the junior. That is his kind of play. Myers is non-physical. Thus, he doesnt need that much strenght... You really potato that one..

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