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Hugo Sham 03-20-2012 10:26 PM

Neverending Toughness Thread: Desharnais endorses White / Staubitz
 
good article for those who read French.
http://www.radio-canada.ca/sports/ho...ite-goon.shtml

FlyingKostitsyn 03-20-2012 10:30 PM

I definitely agree having a couple of guys that can fight&play rough really helps. Not saying we should reshape the team's identity or anything but having a guy like White adds another dimension that was lacking to this team.

I've changed my opinion slightly on the matter. We need more emotion on the ice and we need to answer to be able to answer to intimidation. I'm not sold on Staubitz as a regular but even as a 13th forward he could be useful.

Bravery and determination are attributes that have sticked to the Habs trougthout history and White has those in good supplies. Balls too.

Kriss E 03-20-2012 10:39 PM

If you have to walk through a really nasty looking alley at night, with some sketchy dude standing around, would you be more comfortable going through it with two bigger and stronger friends by your side?
It's the same damn thing. Of course players are gonna love those teammates, they are there to protect them and keep the opposing ''meanies'' at bay.

I don't care who's on our team next year. All I care about is this team winning games. If we do that with 6 goons, then by all means, do it.

Lafleurs Guy 03-20-2012 10:41 PM

First, I think Ryan White is an ideal energy player. Exactly the kind of guy you want for the 4th line. As for Staubitz... I like him too. Just seems like since we picked him up the club has been playing a lot more loose. A little sandpaper isn't a bad thing and I hope we hang onto him.

WhiskeySeven 03-20-2012 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy (Post 46444595)
First, I think Ryan White is an ideal energy player. Exactly the kind of guy you want for the 4th line. As for Staubitz... I like him too. Just seems like since we picked him up the club has been playing a lot more loose. A little sandpaper isn't a bad thing and I hope we hang onto him.

They might be playing looser because they're dead last in the conference.

Loved your post in the Price thread btw, the haters are plain ridiculous.

Kimota 03-20-2012 10:47 PM

It's all about the brotherhood. You want to have guys that are going to go to war for you no matter what. We've had so many cases in recent years of Habs players getting manhandled and their teamates pretty much ignoring it.

FlyingKostitsyn 03-20-2012 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimota (Post 46445093)
It's all about the brotherhood. You want to have guys that are going to go to war for you no matter what. We've had so many cases in recent years of Habs players getting manhandled and their teamates pretty much ignoring it.

Maybe Gauthier watched the movie Goon? :laugh:

Whitesnake 03-20-2012 11:00 PM

And I kept reading here how it was not important. Some knew that this supposed "team toughness" was a total bunch of crap. And you know hear the players saying exactly what they're thinking. Surely, nobody wants to have 20 goons. But you need some of those guys in a regular lineup. And if you can actually find some of those guys and that they could play hockey as high as on a 3rd line, so be it.

SouthernHab 03-20-2012 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 46445905)
And I kept reading here how it was not important. Some knew that this supposed "team toughness" was a total bunch of crap. And you know hear the players saying exactly what they're thinking. Surely, nobody wants to have 20 goons. But you need some of those guys in a regular lineup. And if you can actually find some of those guys and that they could play hockey as high as on a 3rd line, so be it.

I think that I still have bruises from getting beat up so often on this board for advocating having guys like Staubitz on this team.;):laugh:

And now Desharnais is saying the same thing that I was saying. Are we now going to see DD bashing because he feels that way?:sarcasm:

hototogisu 03-20-2012 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 46445905)
And I kept reading here how it was not important. Some knew that this supposed "team toughness" was a total bunch of crap. And you know hear the players saying exactly what they're thinking. Surely, nobody wants to have 20 goons. But you need some of those guys in a regular lineup. And if you can actually find some of those guys and that they could play hockey as high as on a 3rd line, so be it.

Really, you're using this as your validation? What did you expect Desharnais to say? "Yeah those two guys who are my teammates and share a locker room with me...I don't think they need to be here"?

Come on...it's a nothing article.

SouthernHab 03-20-2012 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 46446323)
Really, you're using this as your validation? What did you expect Desharnais to say? "Yeah those two guys who are my teammates and share a locker room with me...I don't think they need to be here"?

Come on...it's a nothing article.

:shakehead:shakehead

No, the better answer DD could have given is that he enjoyed watching his teammates get pummeled without anyone standing up to anyone on the other team. And then he could have added that he misses Jacques Martin and his pacifism.

hototogisu 03-20-2012 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 46446891)
:shakehead:shakehead

No, the better answer DD could have given is that he enjoyed watching his teammates get pummeled without anyone standing up to anyone on the other team. And then he could have added that he misses Jacques Martin and his pacifism.

I'm glad we both agree that DD's obvious intent here is to toe the company line, as any player in the NHL would.

I suggest picking up Les Canadiens magazine for other in-depth, hard-hitting scoops.

68 03-20-2012 11:18 PM

I still think we need another guy. White is a good lightweight, Staubitz is a good middleweight, Moen too, but we don't have anybody that can hang with the heavies.

SouthernHab 03-20-2012 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 46447037)
I'm glad we both agree that DD's obvious intent here is to toe the company line, as any player in the NHL would.

I suggest picking up Les Canadiens magazine for other in-depth, hard-hitting scoops.

And your intent is pretty obvious as well. You are content to see a very passive Canadiens team that is easily pushed around by every team in the NHL. Sorry hototogisu, but that approach has been proven to be a losing proposition.

Why do you want more of that?

PricePkPatch 03-21-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by 68 (Post 46447115)
I still think we need another guy. White is a good lightweight, Staubitz is a good middleweight, Moen too, but we don't have anybody that can hang with the heavies.

Paging Laraque at the moment

OneSharpMarble 03-21-2012 12:24 AM

I believe the players were asking Gainey for years to get some toughness into the lineup but like most common sense it fell on deaf ears. Nice to see Gauthier is addressing all of the needs that were staring this team in the face for the past 10+ years
- Toughness
- Size
- #1 centre (soon hopefully)

Beendair Donedat 03-21-2012 12:30 AM

Lol and the pacifists disparage YET another Habs player who says having tough guys is a good thing. It's amazing how much more the pacifists know than the guys actually playing the game. Hilarious.

Gabe84 03-21-2012 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 46447383)
And your intent is pretty obvious as well. You are content to see a very passive Canadiens team that is easily pushed around by every team in the NHL. Sorry hototogisu, but that approach has been proven to be a losing proposition.

Why do you want more of that?

Well he's right. He didn't argue whether we need enforcers or not. He just said that validating the need for enforcers via this article is dumb. Desharnais wasn't going to say otherwise.

That said, Im a big White fan and I don't hate Staubitz. After the Laraque debacle, I wanted nothing to do with enforcers, not only because he wouldnt fight, but because he had no other hockey skills, at least at that point in his career.

I'd rather not give a roster spot to a player who does nothing but fight. Im against fights in hockey. But guys like White and Staubitz can do more than fight. They play hard. They bring energy. They Can bring in *some* offense. Perfect 4th liners, and White can even play the pk. All good with me!

ECWHSWI 03-21-2012 01:47 AM

midget DD likes to have tough guys on his side... shocking!

Kimota 03-21-2012 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 68 (Post 46447115)
I still think we need another guy. White is a good lightweight, Staubitz is a good middleweight, Moen too, but we don't have anybody that can hang with the heavies.


I would be fine with adding guys. Hopefully some that can play on the first, second and third line too.

Whitesnake 03-21-2012 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hototogisu (Post 46446323)
Really, you're using this as your validation? What did you expect Desharnais to say? "Yeah those two guys who are my teammates and share a locker room with me...I don't think they need to be here"?

Come on...it's a nothing article.

Just compare the sincerity of the responses when they were asked about the lack of compared when they asked about the addition of. Please do. Then, how about the clear message Pacioretty sent not that long ago when he went OUT of his way to get his message through? That was also company oriented?

Monctonscout 03-21-2012 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lafleurs Guy (Post 46444595)
First, I think Ryan White is an ideal energy player. Exactly the kind of guy you want for the 4th line. As for Staubitz... I like him too. Just seems like since we picked him up the club has been playing a lot more loose. A little sandpaper isn't a bad thing and I hope we hang onto him.

Staubitz is a legit enforcer, a guy that will fight anybody in the NHL. We haven't had that since Laraque...plus Staubitz strikes me as a guy that would go after anybody that "messed" with our best players, fighter or not. Laraque stuck to staged fights.

Andrighetto Fabolous 03-21-2012 07:08 AM

Staubitz has done his job well here, don't have a problem bringing him back next year for cheap. Just play him against more physical teams and we're fine, I'd much rather play him for 4-5 minutes a game than dress 7 defenseman.

Crimson Skorpion 03-21-2012 09:01 AM

You need a fourth line to bang bodies, create energy and intimidate the other team. I think Ryan White centering the fourth line is a fantastic start. He can hit well, can scrap with any middle-weight in the league and knows how to play decent hockey. Staubitz on his wing will allow White to play more tough, knowing if the heavyweights start to chase him, Staubitz can drop them and deal with those type.

I'd love Moen on the other wing but he has the defensive qualities to play on the third line. If the Habs could keep him there and sign another big winger - or insert Blunden on the other wing - the Habs fourth line will be really tough to handle. Play these guys 10 minutes or less, send them out there and tell em to make something happen.

Patty Roy 03-21-2012 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 46445905)
And I kept reading here how it was not important. Some knew that this supposed "team toughness" was a total bunch of crap. And you know hear the players saying exactly what they're thinking. Surely, nobody wants to have 20 goons. But you need some of those guys in a regular lineup. And if you can actually find some of those guys and that they could play hockey as high as on a 3rd line, so be it.

Alot of posters seemed to totally buy into what Gauthier was spoon feeding them.

Team toughness is obviously important in today's NHL and is clearly important to Habs players. I like some of the changes we've made in the last few weeks but i still think we have more work to do in that area.

Ideally i'd like to see us add a tough bottom pair d-man to split duties with Diaz, and one more physical forward (assuming Moen and Staubitz are brought back).


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