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Redcoyote 03-27-2012 01:02 PM

fourth line next year?
 
If we resign doan, whitney, brule and chipchura while letting Langkow go that leaves us with one open spot.

whitney-hanzal-vrbata
boedker-vermette-doan
torres-gordon-brule
Open-chip-korpi

I think you can move boedker, torres and korpi up and down those lines however you want.

I dont think Bissonnette should play every game. Miele and MacLean arent fourth line grinders.

So does it go to a young guy in the system? Shinniman? Arnott? Brown? Tikhonov? Werek? Hextall? Lessio?

I have zero knowledge on how most of these guys have looked recently. Any insight?

rt 03-27-2012 01:07 PM

7th to Toronto for Lombardi.

Keep the following:

Whitney-Hanzal-Vrbata
Doan-Vermette-Brule
Korpi-Lombardi-Boedker
Torres-Gordon-Chipchura
Bissonnette

Redcoyote 03-27-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rt (Post 46805629)
7th to Toronto for Lombardi.

Keep the following:

Whitney-Hanzal-Vrbata
Doan-Vermette-Brule
Korpi-Lombardi-Boedker
Torres-Gordon-Chipchura
Bissonnette

I always liked what lombardi brought.

I can see doing it because we know how he played in tippetts system but is this also because we dont have anyone even close to nhl ready on the farm?

PhoPhan 03-27-2012 01:42 PM

The 4th line only has a hole if the Coyotes don't bring in a top nine forward. If they do, Brule or Torres can fill that hole. If not, I'd prefer they fill it internally.

Scottrocks58* 03-27-2012 02:18 PM

I suspect that Miele and Pouliot will both be on the roster. Miele on the wing to start out, perhaps second or third line and Pouliot on the 3rd or 4th line.

Scottrocks58* 03-27-2012 02:19 PM

..and yes, I know that Miele is a center, but let's let him cut his teeth on the wing where there are less responsibilities defensively and in the face off dot.

krepitch 03-27-2012 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rt (Post 46805629)
Korpi-Lombardi-Boedker

I'd renew my tickets just to watch those guys skate together. :amazed:

AZcoyotes 03-27-2012 04:45 PM

What are Tikhonov's numbers in the KHL?

EDIT: http://en.khl.ru/players/14362/

Redcoyote 03-28-2012 10:04 AM

If someone internally makes the team who would it be?

A new guy like shinniman or arnott or someone like brown, lessio, werek?

PhoPhan 03-28-2012 10:19 AM

Arnold, Brown and Werek are more suited for fourth line duty, and Shinnimin could fit as well. Lessio probably needs another year in the OHL anyway but regardless is more of a pure scorer. Of those five, I'd guess Arnold has the best chance, but I don't think this is the likely outcome. Odds are Maloney brings in another forward somewhere, which makes this whole conversation moot. Plus, Doan's return is contingent on the team still being in Arizona next year, and I don't think it's a lock Whitney comes back regardless (though I'm hoping he does).

hbk 03-28-2012 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redcoyote (Post 46856279)
If someone internally makes the team who would it be?

A new guy like shinniman or arnott or someone like brown, lessio, werek?

outside shot of our first round pick provided he's an offensive player. I'm thinking of a player who comes in like a Colberg or Aberg who come in and are lights out in the preseason.

One scenario. Someone who can play a heavy grinding game. I'd say Arnold or Brown are two guys that immediately come to mind.

Most likely. Brett MacLean.

Sindiggy 03-28-2012 11:43 AM

Brett can't skate, he's not an NHL player. He is unfortunately a good AHLer, but that is all...it's too bad, great hands, bad wheels.

Again, I'm up for Lombardi returning, we know he fits and he knows he fits

Brown, Shinnimin and the group will spend at least 1 year down on the farm. Miele will need to take his game to the next level to make it, he'll need to be near the top in pts next season to get a look, unless he's going to switch to wing.

Swat Ultra 03-28-2012 12:00 PM

We need to bring in a center, no two ways about that for using our farm for help.

Miele is not near being ready for the nhl, until the coaching staff learns he will not be a nhl center he will get nowhere.

Maclean is even struggling being a AHL playing(at this point he was on but then he went way off), his future does not look promising at all.


Werek, has really improved his game greatly in the last 2 months, at the start of the season he was very weak in all areas of the game and had zero grit or heart. Now he seems to be putting together some offense, however he still looks weak without much grit , which is very odd from how he was in juniors.

Hextall, has been improving he really does make the other team hate him by his playing style and his attitude, i believe he will be a useful player in the future but not sure how soon, his skating is a issue and could be stuck as a AHler

Pouliot I do not think will resign.

DesertDawg 03-28-2012 02:59 PM

my guess
sign Jarret Stoll

PhoPhan 03-29-2012 04:20 PM

The more interesting question to me is how the defensive corps shakes out. The following guys have played for the Coyotes this year:

Keith Yandle
Oliver Ekman-Larsson
Rostislav Klesla
David Schlemko
Derek Morris
Adrian Aucoin
Michal Rozsival
David Rundblad
Michael Stone
Chris Summers

Of those ten guys, only Aucoin and Rozsival are UFAs, and I kind of hope Aucoin comes back. He's obviously in decline due to his age, but his craftiness and tenacity make him a great role model for all the young defensemen this team has. His grit is contagious.

I'm thinking Goncharov has missed his opportunity, to be honest, and I suspect the Coyotes move him for a mid-round pick on draft day or early into camp. Nick Ross is probably a lost cause at this point, and I'm guessing he doesn't get another contract. So we can forget about those names. But I suspect Brandon Gormley will have a great camp and be in the mix for a spot on opening day, but he's also probably one of the first cuts just given the competition. Murphy, for as good as he's been this year, could probably use another year in the OHL. Given his fragility and the development time he's lost to injury, I want him brought along as slowly and carefully as possible.

So we're looking at probably ten guys who all can make a viable claim to one of six spots, and we know Maloney likes going into camp throwing as much against the wall as he can. Yandle and OEL are locks, obviously, and if Aucoin resigns, he is, too, as he obviously won't be sent down and I doubt Maloney trades a player 0 games into a new contract.

Summers is still waiver-exempt (I think), but at the age of 24, he's probably in do-or-die territory; if he doesn't make the team, I'm guessing GMDM ships him elsewhere. Stone and (I think) Rundblad can be sent down without waivers, too, if they don't make it, but I can see any or all three of these guys making a pretty strong case to make the team.

That leaves Klesla, Morris and Schlemko. Klesla fills a really important role on this team (I think he's been the third most valuable this year, after OEL and Yandle), so I think he's safe, which all but guarantees one of Morris or Schlemko is traded. All things considered, I think I'd rather move Schlemmer: the Coyotes will need help getting to the cap floor, and his low salary will be very attractive to other teams. Plus Morris is a great locker room guy.

So here's the breakdown:

Locks:
Yandle
OEL
Aucoin
Klesla

Tradeable:
Morris
Schlemko
Summers

Demotable:
Rundblad
Stone

That all said, here's my guess as to what happens:

The Coyotes go into opening day with a top six of:

OEL-Klesla
Yandle-Aucoin
Summers-Morris

Schlemko is packaged or traded straight up for a forward. Stone either starts the year as a healthy scratch or the first call-up, but he's my guess for the #7 spot regardless, and he should see at least 30 games spelling Aucoin and filling in for injuries (Klesla is pretty much guaranteed to miss some time). Rundblad starts the year in the AHL to work on his defense and is ready for sheltered minutes by midseason, at which point Maloney starts working on a deadline deal that sends Morris or Aucoin to a contender. Gormley spends the whole year in the AHL but for a few games as a late-season call-up. Murphy spends the whole year in the OHL.

That, to me, is the ideal situation given what we know right now, but maybe I'm getting ahead of myself here (by five or six hundreds words or so). At any rate, this is a huge position of strength.

Kaizen 03-29-2012 05:04 PM

I see Stone spending most of the year in the A - sure, he's developed but he will continue to do so with mucho ice time in Portland.

Summers will probably be the in and out of the lineup guy.

We'll have to see you comes back (Aucoin, Roszival or a replacement) to see how things shake out.

With a few noted exceptions I fully endorse prognostication.;)

DesertDawg 03-31-2012 01:21 PM

I see this thread morphed into an off-season thread

waive BaBs and sign Montoya or trade for a reliable backup...

hbk 03-31-2012 01:29 PM

In preseason I want to see a line of Arnold, Brown, and Chipchura. The ABC line or the Alphabet line.

Gwyddbwyll 04-04-2012 10:27 AM

interesting proposal on the calgary firesales thread.

backlund + moss for schlemko + tikhonov

Backlund fits perfectly into the young, former 1st rounder with skills who has 100 games of experience but not quite developed as expected. Getting something for Tikhonov would make me inclined to do this trade.

Moss is a UFA, guess he could be a stempniak for a year.

rt 04-04-2012 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwyddbwyll (Post 47283991)
interesting proposal on the calgary firesales thread.

backlund + moss for schlemko + tikhonov

Backlund fits perfectly into the young, former 1st rounder with skills who has 100 games of experience but not quite developed as expected. Getting something for Tikhonov would make me inclined to do this trade.

Moss is a UFA, guess he could be a stempniak for a year.

Tikhonov and Moss have no value, for different reasons, at this point, in my opinion.

So, it'd be Schlemko for Backlund. I have a hard time seeing Calgary do that.

Redcoyote 04-04-2012 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rt (Post 47285097)
Tikhonov and Moss have no value, for different reasons, at this point, in my opinion.

So, it'd be Schlemko for Backlund. I have a hard time seeing Calgary do that.

They may see value in Tikhonov. I can see him being a third or fourth line guy. Is Backlund a center? That would be interesting and have my attention

Gwyddbwyll 04-04-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rt (Post 47285097)
Tikhonov and Moss have no value, for different reasons, at this point, in my opinion.

So, it'd be Schlemko for Backlund. I have a hard time seeing Calgary do that.

I was surprised to see Backlund's name but I guess things havent gone that well for him. He's -13 in 41 games and only 4 goals. Schlemko has the same number of points, playing from defense at half the salary.

Still, unless they've lost patience, I dont see why Backlund wouldnt be part of their rebuild. I guess Tikhonov could still be seen as an attractive acquisition, playing at a high level, even if he's seen as worthless here.

Gwyddbwyll 04-04-2012 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redcoyote (Post 47286833)
They may see value in Tikhonov. I can see him being a third or fourth line guy. Is Backlund a center? That would be interesting and have my attention

Yes although perhaps we'd shift him to LW since we have Vermette, Hanzal, Gordon, Chip/Brule.

Scottrocks58* 04-04-2012 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DesertDawg (Post 47040801)
I see this thread morphed into an off-season thread

waive BaBs and sign Montoya or trade for a reliable backup...

No. Don't waive LaBabs under any circumstance. Those paying attention to him at the games know how terrific he is in interacting with Smith on TV breaks and after games. Some small part of Smith's success has to be related to his relationship with LaBabs.

I know that LaBabs had a bad year, but his value lies on and off the ice. Keep him and hope for a bounce back year.

Gwyddbwyll 04-04-2012 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gwyddbwyll (Post 47287953)
Yes although perhaps we'd shift him to LW since we have Vermette, Hanzal, Gordon, Chip/Brule.

Weird.. a year ago only 1 of those 5 were Coyotes. Shows how quickly things can change even under a stable GM like Maloney.


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