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Night_Vole 04-06-2012 03:32 AM

General Talk '12 — Russia
 
Heres what I would like to see.

Ovechkin-Shipachyov-Semin
Tarasenko-Burmistrov-Kuznetsov
Zaripov-Gorovikov-Morozov
Tikhonov-Svitov-Kulemin
Artyukhin

*If Datsyuk is eliminated than slot him in on the first line, and shipachyov plays with Morozov, If its Radulov than switch him for
Zaripov or Semin.

Markov-Emelin
Kulikov-Nikulin
Nikitin-Gonchar
Orlov

Nabokov
Eremenko
Varlamov

I don't follow the KHL as much as I would like. Can someone say if there is a better checking centre than Svitov, thanks.

Dares 04-06-2012 04:06 AM

You dont follow the KHL, then i presume you follow the NHL, then i presume you gotta be out of your mind to put Nabokov in there.
I dont see him playing for national team again.
Nikitin- Tyutin -- i dont see Gonchar there....you watching any hockey at all ???
No Shirokov ??

perklunt 04-06-2012 04:50 AM

Morozov out, Shirokov in, and i think Anisin deserved spot i that team )

Night_Vole 04-06-2012 04:53 AM

Wow way to be an ass, thanks. I try to start some discussion and ask for opinions, y don't u offer something constructive ie. who would u pick.

No I do other things with my life, not just watch hockey and sit on messege boards.

Nabokov has been good on a terrible islanders team, he messed up in 2010 OG **** happens: Eremenko messed up at the 2007 WC yet he seems to be playing well atm.

Nikitin is a solid D, Gonchar can run a PP and is still alot better than most other options available.

Edit: Tyutin is a good option, though I think he has a broken hand atm.

Which Winger would u take out for Shirokov?

Way more talent:
Radulov
Ovechkin
Semin
Kuznetsov
Taresenko

Morozov-captain not going anywhere

Zaripov maybe, but even than they are largely interchangble and neither should play if Radulov is available.

Don't say the bottom line, because I created that specifically as Checking/Energy line, something that Russian teams tend to overlook.

Night_Vole 04-06-2012 04:59 AM

Anisin does deserve to be there, I wanted to include him based on his PO. The problem is finding room for him as theres a bunch of wingers that are better than him. He's kinda small so this would be a good test to see if he can actually play at a higher level. I guess you could take him instead of Arty, although I like having one guy who can fight.

cska78 04-06-2012 07:40 AM

too early to talk about it, let's see who's out of the play-offs and who's hurt. Morozov is out, Ovi, Semin, Buriy, Kulikov, Gonchar made the poffs. Kulemin is injured, Markov probably won't go to WC as he's missed all season but few games and won't risk getting injured again.

kiluj 04-06-2012 12:35 PM

I don't know about Anisin, I like him, but he is too small for international tournaments.)

Yakushev72 04-07-2012 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Night_Vole (Post 47409263)
Heres what I would like to see.

Ovechkin-Shipachyov-Semin
Tarasenko-Burmistrov-Kuznetsov
Zaripov-Gorovikov-Morozov
Tikhonov-Svitov-Kulemin
Artyukhin

*If Datsyuk is eliminated than slot him in on the first line, and shipachyov plays with Morozov, If its Radulov than switch him for
Zaripov or Semin.

Markov-Emelin
Kulikov-Nikulin
Nikitin-Gonchar
Orlov

Nabokov
Eremenko
Varlamov

I don't follow the KHL as much as I would like. Can someone say if there is a better checking centre than Svitov, thanks.

You have good choices here. The one that I would question is Burmistrov. I know that he is talented, and his relative lack of production can be partially explained by his age and injuries. But I just don't see what he has accomplished that would justify him making the WC roster.

Romang67 04-07-2012 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Yakushev72 (Post 47467653)
You have good choices here. The one that I would question is Burmistrov. I know that he is talented, and his relative lack of production can be partially explained by his age and injuries. But I just don't see what he has accomplished that would justify him making the WC roster.

As someone who watches Burmi all the time, I can tell you that even if he isn't good enough to play in your top 6 (I have really no idea if this is the case, I never watch the KHL), he is tremendous defensively and should play for your PK and is definitely good enough to play in your bottom 6.

Mestaruus 04-11-2012 03:15 AM

Just curious, who is the best Russian goalie atm? I'm guessing someone from KHL or is it Khabibulin?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dares (Post 47409513)
You dont follow the KHL, then i presume you follow the NHL, then i presume you gotta be out of your mind to put Nabokov in there.

Agreed. Nabokov was a disaster in last year's tournament and Finnish commentator and spectators were wondering, why he was given so many games while he performed so poorly after the first games already. Seemed like promised deal before the tournament. However, he might be better this year as he got to play with club unlike last year, I haven't checked on that.

Dares 04-11-2012 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mestaruus (Post 47714609)
Just curious, who is the best Russian goalie atm? I'm guessing someone from KHL or is it Khabibulin?



Agreed. Nabokov was a disaster in last year's tournament and Finnish commentator and spectators were wondering, why he was given so many games while he performed so poorly after the first games already. Seemed like promised deal before the tournament. However, he might be better this year as he got to play with club unlike last year, I haven't checked on that.


Khabibulin ???? hes not even in top 5
Forget about him, guy will never play for Russian national team.
You see him better than Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov ?????

Mestaruus 04-11-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dares (Post 47715575)
Khabibulin ???? hes not even in top 5
Forget about him, guy will never play for Russian national team.
You see him better than Varlamov, Bobrovsky, Bryzgalov ?????

Sorry i always mix these two Bryzgalov and Khabibulin... I meant Bryzgalov. I've thought personally that he's the best Russian goalie for the last year with my little knowledge of KHL goalies, so maybe there's someone else in the KHL?

Zine 04-11-2012 10:43 PM

Varlamov, Emelin, Nikitin, Burmistrov and Kulmin are on board.

MaxV 04-12-2012 09:21 AM

The best Russian goalie is Bryzgalov. But Varlamov and Barulin aren't far behind.

Mestaruus 04-12-2012 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxV (Post 47812127)
The best Russian goalie is Bryzgalov. But Varlamov and Barulin aren't far behind.

All right. I'll have to hope Philadelphia stays in the playoffs then incase our teams will meet or Russia will have a monster team. Oh wait, there's Malkin joining in that case if Bryzgalov isn't coming ;).

Tyler Durden 04-12-2012 05:42 PM

Will Yakupov play?

Fulcrum 04-12-2012 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyler Durden (Post 47842207)
Will Yakupov play?

No, Yakupov is too young and inexperienced for this type of tournament.

WJG 04-13-2012 02:04 AM

I'm excited to see Burmistrov play with Team Russia. He got off to a hot start in Winnipeg, but faded somewhat down the stretch. I think he became overwhelmed a bit with #2 C duties. However, he was by far Winnipeg's best defensive forward. It's amazing how good he is defensively. I think he's going to be nominated for the Selke in a few years.

Any chance Ivan Telegin goes? He's been dominating the OHL playoffs with Barrie.

Omark 04-13-2012 11:08 AM

Maxim Afinogenov, I know his season has been disaster but he's such a legend and has ALWAYS been good in WC and OG. Russia needs his energy and unbeliavable speed. He can play in fourth line or first line so I would pick him for sure.

Yakushev72 04-13-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WJG (Post 47886141)
I'm excited to see Burmistrov play with Team Russia. He got off to a hot start in Winnipeg, but faded somewhat down the stretch. I think he became overwhelmed a bit with #2 C duties. However, he was by far Winnipeg's best defensive forward. It's amazing how good he is defensively. I think he's going to be nominated for the Selke in a few years.

Any chance Ivan Telegin goes? He's been dominating the OHL playoffs with Barrie.

IMHO, there is no chance that Telegin will play, and only a remote chance at best that Burmistrov will play. Since the role of a defensive forward is less critical on the large ice, Burmistov's age, inexperience, and lack of scoring ability makes it unlikely that he will appear in the WC, I think.

InjuredChoker 04-14-2012 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omark (Post 47896535)
Maxim Afinogenov, I know his season has been disaster but he's such a legend and has ALWAYS been good in WC and OG. Russia needs his energy and unbeliavable speed. He can play in fourth line or first line so I would pick him for sure.

Is he still as (well, almost) fast?

Fulcrum 04-14-2012 01:25 PM

Belyaletdinov said that they are counting on Burmistrov for the WC. No surprise, Burmi has a lot of potential, and because of low competition for C spot he is a real contender for OG. Also, considering that he lacks big tournament experience and the coaches goal of developing youth for OG, you can almost certainly count him in. Also there is a rule (not sure who governs it) that if any NHL player (under contract!) is invited to the camp, he MUST play at the WC.

As for Telegin or any other Jr. players, there is absolutely no way that a junior hockey player will be playing at the WC.

Afinogenov does not even deserve Russian Team C invite anymore, mostly because there is no way he'll play at the OG- so what's the point?!

Fulcrum 04-14-2012 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemisti (Post 47966401)
Is he still as (well, almost) fast?

no not really. He is about average now- which is good for his age, but he's certainly not faster than the youth.

Omark 04-14-2012 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 47978247)
no not really. He is about average now- which is good for his age, but he's certainly not faster than the youth.

????

Afinogenov has still unbelievable speed that no one else have. Okay, Mikhail Anisin and finnish Antti Pihlström could be nowadays even faster but Afinogenov's speed is special.

Yeah, he was faster few years ago but he's far from "average", definitely.

Unfortunately his other skills has decreased.. Puck control, deking, shooting... But he is still a good hockey player and very special because of his speed.

niljano 04-18-2012 08:13 AM

Afinogenov is only 32? He cant lost that much, or he has just trained badly.

Malkin has said yes to come if Pittsburgh get knocked out.

Russians are a good example of what playing for your country means.


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