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sarcastro 04-12-2012 10:02 PM

Red Wings Prospects Tracker - Part III - Revenge of the Prospects
 
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v2.0:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1084971

v1.0:
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1018481

RedWingsNow* 04-12-2012 10:18 PM

Captain Bob's Prospect list;
1: Smith
2. Nyquist
3. Jurco
4. Jarnkrok
5. Ouellet
6. Sheahan
7. Tatar
8. Tvrdon
9. Andersson
10. Mrazek
11. Marcenko
12. Almquist
13. Ferraro
14. Sproul
15. Pulkkinen
16. Backman
17. Aubry
18. Callahan
19. Lashoff
20. Dick Axelsson

Tatar 04-12-2012 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 47873779)
Captain Bob's Prospect list;
1: Smith
2. Nyquist
3. Jurco
4. Jarnkrok
5. Ouellet
6. Sheahan
7. Tatar
8. Tvrdon
9. Andersson
10. Mrazek
11. Marcenko
12. Almquist
13. Ferraro
14. Sproul
15. Pulkkinen
16. Backman
17. Aubry
18. Callahan
19. Lashoff
20. Dick Axelsson

That low? I know he's a boom or bust pick but he's top 10 for sure

ginnungagap 04-12-2012 11:13 PM

Ferraro ahead of Sproul?- I like individuality in these kind of rankings (otherwise they're all the same so what's the point?) but when I saw Sproul in the prospect tournament/training camp he screamed raw potential. Add in a solid full season in the OHL and he's not too far from Ouellet in my book.

Frk It 04-12-2012 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 47873779)
Captain Bob's Prospect list;
1: Smith
2. Nyquist
3. Jurco
4. Jarnkrok
5. Ouellet
6. Sheahan
7. Tatar
8. Tvrdon
9. Andersson
10. Mrazek
11. Marcenko
12. Almquist
13. Ferraro
14. Sproul
15. Pulkkinen
16. Backman
17. Aubry
18. Callahan
19. Lashoff
20. Dick Axelsson

Why is Marchenko so high? I think Backman has looked better since they both were drafted.

RedWingsNow* 04-12-2012 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ginnungagap (Post 47878489)
Ferraro ahead of Sproul?- I like individuality in these kind of rankings (otherwise they're all the same so what's the point?) but when I saw Sproul in the prospect tournament/training camp he screamed raw potential. Add in a solid full season in the OHL and he's not too far from Ouellet in my book.

Sproul always seemed really, really raw to me, where as guys like Ouellet, Backman and Marcenko have a skill set that makes them a safer bet for the NHL.
But in the end, Sproul could be a monster.

RedWingsNow* 04-12-2012 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gowings4013 (Post 47879169)
Why is Marchenko so high? I think Backman has looked better since they both were drafted.

Backman has looked better because Marcenko has been hurt so much.
But reports I've read list Marcenko is a really, really good defenseman who has a great toolset and a great attitude.

Plus he's Russian, and I think Russian prospects are almost always underrated.

19 for president 04-13-2012 12:32 AM

Potential: (*Note this is the super high, tops out type potential)
1. Jurco (Datsyuk type player with a Hossa type body)
Smith (Rob Blake type dman, great shot + gritty checking ability)
2. Nyquist (Dats light)
3. Jarnkrok (Young Z light)
4. Mrzaek (Hasek light)
5. Sheahan (Arnott/ Primeau type two way center with a gritty side)
6. Almquist (PP qb similar to Lids in style that is more Kronner like in defensive play)
7. Sproul (Souray minus the contract and health issues)
8. Tvrdon (Franzen with a bit more offensive zest but not as good defensively)
9. Tatar (Hudler with better speed and grittiness, but always has a size issue)
10. Pulkinen (Hull light, he has the great shot already if he can get the release down his potential is there)

NHL Likelyhood
1. Nyquist (he's here, and I see him being no worse than a great 3rd line player)
2. Smith (same as Nyquist, he gets #2 ranking based soley on the fact that D are more likely to have 1 good fluke season)
3. Jarnkrok (taking the Z route to the NHL and I see no reason he can't at least be a 3rd line center)
4. Andersson (very close to being and NHLer already, has made good offensive strides will likely be a 4th line type center)
5. Sheahan (has the NHL size and is good enough defensively to at least make the team a checking line center)
6. Ouelette (good 2 way dman that should at least develop into a bottom pairing dman)
7. Tatar (similar issues to Hudler, could have a hard time sticking in the NHL if he doesn't secure a top 6 spot or at least PP time)
8. Lashoff (guy strikes me as a brad stuart lite dman, which means he should be an ok bottom pairing guy at least)
9. Backman (strikes me as a fairly safe pick to at least get a bottom pairing shot at some point in the future)
10. Tvrdon (size and build gives him an advantage, consistency is his big issue)

So to sum it up I think Jurco is a star or bust. Pulkinen, Almquist and Mrzaek are similar but their ceilings even less achievable. Nyquist and Smith are going to be very solid and are already NHLers. I think the Wings have at least 5 surefire NHLers in their system right now, which isn't bad at all.

Vatican Roulette 04-13-2012 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 47881599)
Backman has looked better because Marcenko has been hurt so much.
But reports I've read list Marcenko is a really, really good defenseman who has a great toolset and a great attitude.

Plus he's Russian, and I think Russian prospects are almost always underrated.

I disagree on. Some parts of the list, but that happens for everyone.

No Jensen?

mindfly 04-13-2012 07:10 AM

Mindfly's ranking:

1: Smith
2. Järnkrok
3. Nyquist
4. Jurco
5. Ouellet
6. Tatar
7. Sheahan
8. Tvrdon
9. Andersson
10. Mrazek
11. Sproul
12. Marcenko
13. Pulkkinen
14. Almquist
15. Ferraro
16. Backman
17. Aubry
18. Callahan
19. Jensen
20. Lashoff


I swar to everything holy that Järnkrok will be better than Nyquist (if he isn't already). He's underrated on these boards...probably because folks don't like to compare SEL with NA hockey.

joe89 04-13-2012 07:45 AM

I would rank Backman over Almqvist anyday, and by some margin. Backman's 6'2" frame and skating just makes him a lot more intriguing.

ZetterBurger 04-13-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 47889537)
I would rank Backman over Almqvist anyday, and by some margin. Backman's 6'2" frame and skating just makes him a lot more intriguing.

Not disagreeing, but isn't Almqvist recognized as an incredible skater?

zecke26 04-13-2012 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 47889537)
I would rank Backman over Almqvist anyday, and by some margin. Backman's 6'2" frame and skating just makes him a lot more intriguing.

i'm not objective here since i think backman will be a cornerstone of the wings future and their unsung hero, but almqvist really didn't take the next step this past season. he probably should have made the jump across the ocean last summer. but we'll see. almqvist's hockey sense is something special and even though his chances don't look good at the moment, i think there's still a bit hope he can get back on track and break out. he's boom or bust pretty much, but the potential is still there.

that being said, if i'd have the choice, i'd take backman without any hesitation.

mindfly 04-13-2012 09:44 AM

Was bäckman even a regular in the SEL this season?

Hakan2Holland 04-13-2012 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 47881599)
Backman has looked better because Marcenko has been hurt so much.
But reports I've read list Marcenko is a really, really good defenseman who has a great toolset and a great attitude.

Plus he's Russian, and I think Russian prospects are almost always underrated.

Can't argue with that logic. :sarcasm:

But seriously, your list is similar to how I would rank them. Although I'd have Jarnkrok third at the moment, definitely higher then Jurco. Jarnkrok is a very good player already, after another year in the SEL he will be ready to jump straight to the NHL (third line center or better, from the start, IMO).

Marchenko has a good tool set but hasn't proven enough to be that high. It's great he has come back from his injury and is doing well in the MHL, but until he is a solid contributer in the KHL I'm not holding my breath for him.

zecke26 04-13-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 47893027)
Was bäckman even a regular in the SEL this season?

no, he was invited to play for sweden because of his strong J20 games. :facepalm:

you should start following swedish hockey instead of studying medicine. ;)

Hakan2Holland 04-13-2012 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZetterBurger (Post 47890875)
Not disagreeing, but isn't Almqvist recognized as an incredible skater?

No, Almqvist is not that strong of a skater. That, and being pretty small/light, are his main weaknesses. His hockey sense is through the roof, however. Like Anakin Skywalker's metachlorian count high ;).

mindfly 04-13-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zecke26 (Post 47893115)
no, he was invited to play for sweden because of his strong J20 games. :facepalm:

you should start following swedish hockey instead of studying medicine. ;)

I heard he played with J20 lately what was that about then? did I just dream it?

newfy 04-13-2012 09:55 AM

Well since everyone is doing it

Smith
Nyquist (could be first but I value D a bit more)
Jarnkrok
Jurco
Sheahan
Tatar
Ouellet
Mrazek
Andersson
Sproul
Pulkkinen
Tvrdon
Jensen
Marchenko
Almuist
Backman
Ferraro
Aubry
Callahan

This list is more based on upside for the most part but I also took likelihood of NHL into account.

Aubry has been really good lately and seems to really be putting it all together. He reminds me quite a bit of Paul Gaustad out there and that could be his potential.

Callahan probably tops out as a 10 goal third liner, but I think he may be in the top 10 most likely to make it prospects because of the role he plays

Pullkinen has dropped for me because of his skating and production this year, but it also has a lot to do with the play of others as well.

Smith and Nyquist are interchangable at number 1 to me, I think Smith would be more valuable in a trade because of the style of game he plays and position.

Mindfly - I find it impossible to rate Jarnkrok higher than Nyquist because Nyquist has shown hes an offensive contributor at the NHL level already. Jarnkrok very well may be the better of the 2 and he has done very well, but its hard to argue against a guy playing at a high level in the NHL.

Sheahan may be high for some but I watched him a lot and always saw a very good skill set on him he did just seemed reigned in by his coaches a bit. Powerforwards offense doesnt usually develop until later anyways. In the AHL he showed really good hands as well. I like a big, tough, 2 way center over a guy like Tatar. Sheahans NHL liklihood is also really high

Winger98 04-13-2012 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Bob (Post 47881599)
Backman has looked better because Marcenko has been hurt so much.
But reports I've read list Marcenko is a really, really good defenseman who has a great toolset and a great attitude.

Plus he's Russian, and I think Russian prospects are almost always underrated.

Wasn't there talk that he was seen as a first round talent in some circles, but injuries and the KHL scared teams off?

mindfly 04-13-2012 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newfy (Post 47893465)
Mindfly - I find it impossible to rate Jarnkrok higher than Nyquist because Nyquist has shown hes an offensive contributor at the NHL level already. Jarnkrok very well may be the better of the 2 and he has done very well, but its hard to argue against a guy playing at a high level in the NHL.

If he wasn't busy tearing it up in the SEL and in it's playoffs and didn't have a contract with Brynäs he could have been in the lineup instead of nyquist and you wouldn't say he was a worse player, he's a center as well, i value centers higher.

Oh and also just a little bonus, he's a right handed shot which this teams desperately needs.

Trvp Lord 04-13-2012 10:13 AM

Smith
Nyquist
Jarnkrok
Jurco
Tatar
Sheahan
Ouellet
Mrazek
Tvrdon
Pulkkinen
Jensen
Marchenko
Almquist
Backman
Ferraro
Aubry
Callahan

That's my list since everybody's doing their own.
I think Tvrdon could turn out and be a big boom for us.

zecke26 04-13-2012 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 47893311)
I heard he played with J20 lately what was that about then? did I just dream it?

he played J20 lately, simply because the J20 team made the play-offs (finals i think) while the elitserien team didn't. ;)

but he also played 4 games for sweden lately at the euro hockey challenge (2 games vs norway and belarus each)

zecke26 04-13-2012 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winger98 (Post 47893481)
Wasn't there talk that he was seen as a first round talent in some circles, but injuries and the KHL scared teams off?

yeah, i think so. he dropped because of injuries and obviously because of being russian. but if he ever gets healthy, he could be a very interesting prospect. and probably the next "how did the wings get this guy?" draftee. ;)

Winger98 04-13-2012 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zecke26 (Post 47894559)
yeah, i think so. he dropped because of injuries and obviously because of being russian. but if he ever gets healthy, he could be a very interesting prospect. and probably the next "how did the wings get this guy?" draftee. ;)

well, clearly, it's because we buy them.


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