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LeeIs 04-25-2012 11:50 PM

Luongo To Toronto? Part II
 
Continue here folks.

Good goalie. Baaaaad contract!

LC 04-25-2012 11:56 PM

Burke needs to take the risk as long as the price isn't too high. A good goaltender is just about the only thing that could buy him some time.

Chandrashekhar Limit 04-25-2012 11:58 PM

Please say no to him. I really think Reimer is the real deal, and if he and Luonlol both start playing well, we can't ship off Luonlol for a while.

AtotheT 04-25-2012 11:59 PM

Luongo/Reimer for 2012! Bandwagoner's...its time to hop on.

Dado 04-26-2012 12:00 AM

Current Leafs roster + Luongo = sure playoff spot, possibly even home ice for the first round.

Is that worth your 1st?

(Not rhetorical)

Duke Silver 04-26-2012 12:00 AM

Pros:
- #1 goaltender
- Has played deep into the playoffs
- Battle-tested in a media-crazy hockey city
- Not a bad annual cap hit for a #1
- Has put up respectable numbers on below-average teams before
- Likely could be gotten for relatively cheap

Cons:
- Age: 33 (how many "good" years does he have left?)
- Contract length
- Question marks re: whether he can rise to the challenge in big games (Olympics notwithstanding)
- Boston is in our division
- Contract will likely be untradable within 3-4 years
- Uncertainties re: cap circumventive contracts in next CBA negotiations

Dado: You are NOT getting the #5 pick. Just like Vancouver's not giving him away for scraps. Meet us somewhere in the middle.

Bgav 04-26-2012 12:00 AM

Who cares about his contract? You guys are the only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. If hes a leaf next season i guarantee you guys will make the playoffs.

TheProspector 04-26-2012 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dado (Post 48837483)
Current Leafs roster + Luongo = sure playoff spot, possibly even home ice for the first round.

Is that worth your 1st?

(Not rhetorical)

Yes.

Even a very high pick has a very small probability of having the kind of impact on the Leafs that Luongo would make over a few years.

TheOneArmedMan 04-26-2012 12:01 AM

Luongo was asked to submit a list of teams he'd be willing to go too. Toronto is on that list.

james duthie ‏ @tsnjamesduthie
Sources say Roberto Luongo will submit a short list of teams he'd waive his no-trade to go to next week. Toronto will be on it.

Stats01 04-26-2012 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandrashekhar Limit (Post 48837421)
Please say no to him. I really think Reimer is the real deal, and if he and Luonlol both start playing well, we can't ship off Luonlol for a while.

You really think Reimer is the real deal, while Luongo IS the real deal. Give me the sure thing everyday! Reimer can develop and play 20-25 games and learn from Luongo, nothing wrong with that. I don't get why so many people are pushing and rushing Reimer so much into the starting role, if he isn't ready he isn't ready.

Erza Scarlet 04-26-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bgav (Post 48837525)
Who cares about his contract? You guys are the only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. If hes a leaf next season i guarantee you guys will make the playoffs.

does he want to face Bruins 6 times? Even though I think Thomas game will decline soon.

Stats01 04-26-2012 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bgav (Post 48837525)
Who cares about his contract? You guys are the only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. If hes a leaf next season i guarantee you guys will make the playoffs.

EXACTLY! This^

Erza Scarlet 04-26-2012 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stats01 (Post 48837645)
You really think Reimer is the real deal, while Luongo IS the real deal. Give me the sure thing everyday! Reimer can develop and play 20-25 games and learn from Luongo, nothing wrong with that. I don't get why so many people are pushing and rushing Reimer so much into the starting role, if he isn't ready he isn't ready.

Is Schenider 30 game sample a large enough sample to make a conclusion about young goaltenders?

Hanta Yo 04-26-2012 12:05 AM

Leafs are in desperate need of a goalie, and Luongo, as much some people like to downplay him, including myself at times, is still a top 10 goalie. With the surrounding circumstances, I can't see costing too much.

hotpaws 04-26-2012 12:05 AM

I'd rather see if Halak is available .

Stats01 04-26-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke Silver (Post 48837515)
Pros:
- #1 goaltender
- Has played deep into the playoffs
- Battle-tested in a media-crazy hockey city
- Not a bad annual cap hit for a #1
- Has put up respectable numbers on below-average teams before
- Likely could be gotten for relatively cheap

Cons:
- Age: 33 (how many "good" years does he have left?)
- Contract length
- Question marks re: whether he can rise to the challenge in big games (Olympics notwithstanding)
- Boston is in our division
- Contract will likely be untradable within 3-4 years
- Uncertainties re: cap circumventive contracts in next CBA negotiations

Dado: You are NOT getting the #5 pick. Just like Vancouver's not giving him away for scraps. Meet us somewhere in the middle.

Somewhere in the middle IMO would be Franson and a pick. They're not touching the 5th overall thats for sure, you should read the Canucks board LOL so high strung and oblivious, they honestly believe they can get the 5th pick.

MoeMoney 04-26-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dado (Post 48837483)
Current Leafs roster + Luongo = sure playoff spot, possibly even home ice for the first round.

Is that worth your 1st?

(Not rhetorical)

No.


Lol at you thinking you're going to get the 5th overall pick for Luongo. This trade happens because you don't have the luxury to drive up his price and need a partner to take on that contract all the while you can't be asking for top picks and prospects when some team is essentially doing you a favour (not because Lu is a bad goalie but just the reality of the situation and the cap), you need to get rid of him ASAP because of Shneiders RFA status, you're not going to get a great return, spare parts is what Van fans should expect. And he's more likely headed to Tampa.

Duke Silver 04-26-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bgav (Post 48837525)
Who cares about his contract? You guys are the only team not to make the playoffs since the lockout. If hes a leaf next season i guarantee you guys will make the playoffs.

That's the sort of short-term thinking that has gotten this organization into trouble in the last decade.

You can afford to look at things on a short-term basis when you're close to being contenders. We are not.

Bgav 04-26-2012 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beezle (Post 48837665)
does he want to face Bruins 6 times? Even though I think Thomas game will decline soon.

He beat them 3 times, better then losing all of your games against them, no?

Stats01 04-26-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beezle (Post 48837699)
Is Schenider 30 game sample a large enough sample to make a conclusion about young goaltenders?

Yes, Reimer can only dream and wish to have as much talent as Schneider does. Let's be real here. Schneider has proven it in college, in the minors, with the Canucks and in the playoffs, he's a stud, he's ready for prime time.

Chandrashekhar Limit 04-26-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stats01 (Post 48837645)
You really think Reimer is the real deal, while Luongo IS the real deal. Give me the sure thing everyday! Reimer can develop and play 20-25 games and learn from Luongo, nothing wrong with that. I don't get why so many people are pushing and rushing Reimer so much into the starting role, if he isn't ready he isn't ready.

Right, Reimer definitely can learn and play little brother for 5 years.

Duke Silver 04-26-2012 12:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bgav (Post 48837801)
He beat them 3 times, better then losing all of your games against them, no?

He beat them three times with Vancouver's offense in front of him.

Bgav 04-26-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duke Silver (Post 48837895)
He beat them three times with Vancouver's offense in front of him.

what offense? he had to shut them out twice. We scored 8 goals in 7 games.

jughead42 04-26-2012 12:10 AM

I think if Luongo is on the market and Toronto is on his list of teams, then you just know we're going to get him. There's an obvious hole that Luongo will most certainly fill, and Burke has to get the player. It probably means our 5th overall pick is a goner, but we probably knew deep down we were never going to make that pick anyway. It's not the Toronto way of doing things.

Stats01 04-26-2012 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chandrashekhar Limit (Post 48837885)
Right, Reimer definitely can learn and play little brother for 5 years.

I wouldn't be upset about dealing him either. What has Reimer done to get so many of you so uptight about him not starting or giving up the position to Luongo lol. We finished in the lottery people. Let's get a grip.


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