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Friesen1746 04-28-2012 06:51 PM

First Rounder This Year?
 
So our first round pick this year will be, at best, 22nd overall (I believe). Should this be the year the Devils give it up or take our chances next year?

apice3* 04-28-2012 06:52 PM

If we win the Cup, don't we get 30th overall?

Friesen1746 04-28-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by apice3 (Post 48989363)
If we win the Cup, don't we get 30th overall?

I like the way you think!

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 07:05 PM

I said before the playoffs, if the Devils win the first round, they need to give up the pick and get it over with, whatever may come. At best, it would be 23, and could well be 25-26 if a couple of lower seeds like the Caps and Kings lose this round.

We saw how tough it was to get out of the first round the last few years, you can't risk leaving it with an uncertain immediate future.

CerebralGenesis 04-28-2012 08:06 PM

If LA wins and we lose, we can still pick like 19th...

this is premature

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 08:15 PM

How, doesn't it go round by round? I mean the fourteen non-playoff teams are first, then don't the eight first-round losers go next? Or do they lump the losers of the first two rounds together?!

If the pick's anywhere in the 20's you gotta give it up, otherwise I guess you might risk going another year if you're at 18-19 anyway and you're 'reasonably' sure you can re-sign Zach and get some stability with the ownership.

Bleedred 04-28-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by NJDevs26 (Post 48990063)
I said before the playoffs, if the Devils win the first round, they need to give up the pick and get it over with, whatever may come. At best, it would be 23, and could well be 25-26 if a couple of lower seeds like the Caps and Kings lose this round.

We saw how tough it was to get out of the first round the last few years, you can't risk leaving it with an uncertain immediate future.

I agree. Get it over with.

Even if we don't what if we draft someone, and he don't even come overseas to sign his entry level contract for 2 years anyway? Or someone starting college? Better off to get it over with.

Eggers 04-28-2012 08:27 PM

I think we all need to be completely sure how the draft order is decided before we have a discussion about this.

I was under the impression that the Stanley Cup finalists go 29th and 30th, then the conference losers, then everyone else was in reverse-points order. Anyone know for sure?

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 08:33 PM

I saw this on another board a while back but forgot about it:

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1-14 are subject to the draft lottery
15-26 are the remaining playoff teams slotted according to reverse regular season finish, with any remaining division winners slotted last
27-28 are the conference finals losers by reverse regular season finish
29 is the SCF loser
30 is the Cup winner
Interesting, and kinda weird but whatever. So I wonder what the range is for us then depending on results this round?

AfroThunder396 04-28-2012 08:33 PM

30th is the Cup winner
29th is the runner up
27-28th are the conference final runner ups
21-26th are the division winners
15-20th are non-division winning playoff teams
1-14th are non-playoff teams (all entered in the draft lottery)

Of course, if division winners advance to the conference finals then it gets interesting.

Devils1029 04-28-2012 08:34 PM

At best, we can pick 18th which is dependent upon Washington and LA getting to the conference finals and us losing this round. If we win this round and get to the conference finals, we'll be picking between 27th and 30th, in which case I agree, give it up. Otherwise, I'd say no...not worth giving up an 18-20 pick. Besides, a pick now is worth more now than a future pick in 2 years.

The way the seeding goes.....we started in the number 20 spot.

14 non playoff teams slotted 1-14.
Next are the non-division winners who were out in either round 1 or 2.
Next are the division winners who went out in rounds 1 and 2.
27-28 are for the losers of the conference finals.
29 is the stanley cup finals loser
30 is the stanley cup winner.

glenwo2 04-28-2012 08:35 PM

Would love to be the team who gets #30 then. :sarcasm:

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 08:39 PM

At best meaning that's the 'highest' pick or lowest pick? Until the last couple years I never had any reason to pay attention to the draft order.

AfroThunder396 04-28-2012 08:40 PM

Hypothetically if NAS/LA/WAS/PHI all win their series then this would happen:

30th - NAS/LA/WAS/PHI
29th - NAS/LA/WAS/PHI
28th - NAS/LA/WAS/PHI
27th - NAS/LA/WAS/PHI
26th - VAN
25th - NYR
24th - STL
23rd - BOS
22nd - PHX
21st - FLA
20th - PIT
19th - DET
18th - NJ

manisback121 04-28-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by glenwo2 (Post 48994099)
Would love to be the team who gets #30 then. :sarcasm:

Lol the paperwork to sacrifice the pic would be out the door and Lou would personally tell Bettman before the celebration would hit the bars in Newark.

Saugus 04-28-2012 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by manisback121 (Post 48994741)
Lol the paperwork to sacrifice the pic would be out the door and Lou would personally tell Bettman before the celebration would hit the bars in Newark.

:laugh: I have an entertaining vision in my head of Parise accepting the Cup from Bettman and telling him to take his pick and shove it up his ass.

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 08:50 PM

So then 21 would be the 'highest' it could be after this round if we lost (and the Kings-Coyotes and Caps all lost as well)?

AfroThunder396 04-28-2012 08:52 PM

We can pick 18th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 27th, 28th, 29th, or 30th.

Eggers 04-28-2012 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NJDevs26 (Post 48994305)
At best meaning that's the 'highest' pick or lowest pick? Until the last couple years I never had any reason to pay attention to the draft order.

The whole talk about high and low picks can get confusing, because you can think of it two ways. A "high pick" could, depending on who you're talking to, either be a pick with a high number (meaning later in the draft order) or high as in earlier in the order if you're looking at a list from 1st overall to 30th.

Usually though, and almost exclusively on these boards, a high pick means a low number, meaning a more valuable pick towards the beginning of the draft.

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manisback121 04-28-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saugus (Post 48994855)
:laugh: I have an entertaining vision in my head of Parise accepting the Cup from Bettman and telling him to take his pick and shove it up his ass.

Uncle Lou "We accept your congratulations and sacrifice our first round pick pursuant to your penalty. I hope you see how your supposed penalties have no real effect" walking away mutters "*******" under his breath.

Bleedred 04-28-2012 09:03 PM

It all depends. We haven't had a great first round pick in years. I like Josefson don't get me wrong. He could be pretty good if he can stay healthy, and he can actually win faceoffs more than once in a while. We haven't seen too much of what he can do completely healthy yet.

We only got Larsson, because we SUCKED last year to get him. All these years we've been successful we haven't really had great picks though. Sorry I know a lot of you are sensitive about Tedenby, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in the AHL next year or traded in a good package deal.

Then Bergfors, Corrente. Zajac, and Parise were the last real great ones we had.

We've had some busts, and oddly our greatest draft picks that we have benefited from recently were late round picks. Adam Henrique, and Mark Fayne.

Maybe we're due for a Zajac.

NJDevs26 04-28-2012 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggers (Post 48995323)
The whole talk about high and low picks can get confusing, because you can think of it two ways. A "high pick" could, depending on who you're talking to, either be a pick with a high number (meaning later in the draft order) or high as in earlier in the order if you're looking at a list from 1st overall to 30th.

Usually though, and almost exclusively on these boards, a high pick means a low number, meaning a more valuable pick towards the beginning of the draft.

Right...and I'm looking for a pick lower in the first round so we're more likely to give it up and get it over with. Obviously another series win and it's a fait accompli we give up the pick, but since it would take two series wins to ensure a pick in the mid 20's maybe we should just give it up this year anyway, since this isn't supposed to be a very strong draft.

Bleedred 04-28-2012 09:11 PM

We don't get Zajac's or Parise's often. If it's a Corrente, Tedenby, or Bergfors good riddance.

If this draft isn't supposed to be strong, and we've advanced to round 2 just give it up now.

I'd wait to the end of the entire season to be sure though.

manisback121 04-28-2012 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bleedred (Post 48996003)
We don't get Zajac's or Parise's often. If it's a Corrente, Tedenby, or Bergfors good riddance.

If this draft isn't supposed to be strong, and we've advanced to round 2 just give it up now.

I'd wait to the end of the entire season to be sure though.

That's why we have until the conclusion of the SC finals.

onefatsurfer 04-28-2012 09:18 PM

If Lou/Conte believe there will be someone stellar available at our draft position, we should keep the pick. Otherwise, we should give it up. I don't particularly care what # the pick is, the player we'd be picking is what's important. Obviously, though, if we get to the cup finals, we should give up the pick


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