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Habster33 05-03-2012 11:29 AM

The FAN 1200 - Pierre McGuire - 3rd overall vs J. Staal??
 
Did anyone else just heard what Pierre McGuire just said on The FAN 1200?

3rd overall vs Jordan Staal

overlords 05-03-2012 11:31 AM

Details bro. He suggested that that's what the habs should do? Or that he heard it as a possibility of actually happening?

Adamcrazy3 05-03-2012 11:32 AM

Do it!

ReVeuF 05-03-2012 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habster33 (Post 49206837)
Did anyone else just heard what Pierre McGuire just said on The FAN 1200?

3rd overall vs Jordan Staal

Please no !!!!!

MooseOllini 05-03-2012 11:34 AM

Where do I sign?

Hullois 05-03-2012 11:34 AM

Please no!! Don't!!! Galchenyuk or Forsberg before Staal!!

Kingbobert 05-03-2012 11:35 AM

hes not the first or last to suggest that
its been suggested by alot of ppl both on this site and in the media.

I'm not sure about it though.
J. Stall looks to have a ceilling of 60 points but he has so many intangibles that he can bring to the table, but he would have to play #2 C minutes.

Who get the boot then? DD? Pleks?

Gary320 05-03-2012 11:35 AM

Bergevin said it best yesterday on Le Match.. or L'antichambre or wherever the hell I heard him say it.. (he was everywhere). The only way a deal for the 3rd makes sense, is if we get a player who will be here long term. No certainties that Stall will. Id rather keep the 3rd at all costs anyway.

UniverStalinGraduate* 05-03-2012 11:35 AM

That would be such an illogical and ass backwards move to make.

First, Staal is nowhere near established as a top center.
Second, why would you willingly give away the chance to draft and develop a 3rd overall pick so that you could acquire a guy who was drafted and developed by another team.

overlords 05-03-2012 11:36 AM

Also, would be a bad deal for the habs, no thanks.

pine* 05-03-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingbobert (Post 49207057)
hes not the first or last to suggest that
its been suggested by alot of ppl both on this site and in the media.

I'm not sure about it though.
J. Stall looks to have a ceilling of 60 points but he has so many intangibles that he can bring to the table, but he would have to play #2 C minutes.

Who get the boot then? DD? Pleks?

DD gets the boot if Staal comes.

But I don't know if I want Staal or multiple years (including 3 under ELC) of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg. Think I'd go for the latter.

vokiel 05-03-2012 11:36 AM

We have a GM now who I think is more intelligent than this.

Staal in Montreal is a broken record we shouldn't try to play anymore.

Protest the Hero 05-03-2012 11:36 AM

Well if you do that, you could potentially trade Plekanec for an upgrade on the wing, but you'd have to be careful about Staal's potential raise in the future.

Looking at the top centres this draft, do Galchenyuk and Grigorenko have higher ceilings than Staal?

maci4life 05-03-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingbobert (Post 49207057)
hes not the first or last to suggest that
its been suggested by alot of ppl both on this site and in the media.

I'm not sure about it though.
J. Stall looks to have a ceilling of 60 points but he has so many intangibles that he can bring to the table, but he would have to play #2 C minutes.

Who get the boot then? DD? Pleks?

would like DD to get the boot but Staal plays more of a pleks game.

i'll take pick over staal though. MTL hasn't had a pick this high in ages. it might be worth taking a chance. you can always trade for an established player.

Habster33 05-03-2012 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 49206923)
Details bro. He suggested that that's what the habs should do? Or that he heard it as a possibility of actually happening?

He said that it was a potential trade for the Habs. That it's in talks.

holyhabs87 05-03-2012 11:37 AM

So we will still be looking for a #1C.

habitue* 05-03-2012 11:38 AM

[QUOTE=ReVeuF;49206997]Please no !!!!![/QUOTE

If Stall is acquired, Plekanec will be traded for a good second line winger.

The third pick will not be a concession player anyway.

UniverStalinGraduate* 05-03-2012 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habster33 (Post 49207197)
He said that it was a potential trade for the Habs. That it's in talks.

Yeah, I'm sure McGuire knows what Bergevin is already discussing for trades... LOL

No Team Needed 05-03-2012 11:39 AM

So Pierre got turned down for the GM job and already knows what Bergevin is trying to do?

Was Molson working this trade out with Shero and told McGuire, or did McGuire's good buddy Shero tell him?

Is this sillier than the Gomez buyout speculation?

Kingbobert 05-03-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 49207091)
That would be such an illogical and ass backwards move to make.

First, Staal is nowhere near established as a top center.
Second, why would you willingly give away the chance to draft and develop a 3rd overall pick so that you could acquire a guy who was drafted and developed by another team.

cause he can help right now instead of in a few years.
but i'm not saying stall would should be that guy, but your argument doesnt make sense

if you can get an established young top 6 player you do it for the 3rd. You go for sure thing vs maybe. Stall is not that top 6 player though so its a moot point

Habster33 05-03-2012 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 49207239)
Yeah, I'm sure McGuire knows what Bergevin is already discussing for trades... LOL

I think the same thing.. It's is real first day, give him a break lol.

Marc the Habs Fan 05-03-2012 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary320 (Post 49207061)
Bergevin said it best yesterday on Le Match.. or L'antichambre or wherever the hell I heard him say it.. (he was everywhere). The only way a deal for the 3rd makes sense, is if we get a player who will be here long term. No certainties that Stall will. Id rather keep the 3rd at all costs anyway.

He said it on 98.5 M.

If we had the old CBA rules with FA at age 31, it would make more sense. But since Staal is a UFA in the summer of 2013, and you can NOT negotiate an extension until July 1 2012 (meaning after the draft), there's no way you can take that risk. Staal has zero link to Montreal. Even if he wanted to stay you are looking at probably a 6-7 M salary for a guy who has had health problems. No thanks.

McGuire needs to shut it.

overlords 05-03-2012 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Kingbobert (Post 49207309)
cause he can help right now instead of in a few years.
but i'm not saying stall would should be that guy, but your argument doesnt make sense

if you can get an established young top 6 player you do it for the 3rd. You go for sure thing vs maybe. Stall is not that top 6 player though so its a moot point

Well, Staal can be considered a good option as a two way 50-60 point center, but the problem, in my opinion, is not that he's not a top 6 two way forward, it's that we really don't need another one of those. Not at center, anyway. We've got pleks already doing admirably in that role and Eller who I think can surpass him. What this team lacks is a true, top flight offensive forward (ideally a center) and this seems like our best shot at finally getting one.

417 05-03-2012 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habster33 (Post 49207197)
He said that it was a potential trade for the Habs. That it's in talks.

He didn't say that at all...

It was a suggestion, which he immediately followed it up by saying he doesn't think the Pens are looking to move Staal and that the more likely candidate to be moved at some point is Malkin

Marc the Habs Fan 05-03-2012 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 417 (Post 49207549)
He didn't say that at all...

It was a suggestion, which he immediately followed it up by saying he doesn't think the Pens are looking to move Staal and that the more likely candidate to be moved at some point is Malkin

Good to get clarification...and if they are indeed willing to move Malkin, they can have the 3rd. :D

BTW, for those who were pro-McGuire as GM, this is several times now he has suggested dealing the pick or picks/prospects to improve immediately...we dodged a bullet.


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