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TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 02:55 PM

Canada's goaltending since 2010
 
I know that this thread pops up from time to time every few months, but I just can't help myself. This country is in serious serious trouble in net. There's no other major hockey country in the world going through a drought like we are right now, and it doesn't help that one of our arch rivals (Team USA) is stronger than they've ever been in their history. I had an interesting conversation about our goaltending with another poster recently and the first two games of the WHC have only added to my concern. Examples:


WJC 2010 (Gold Medal Game vs. USA)

Jake Allen: 5 GA on 28 SOG = .821%
Martin Jones: 1 GA on 9 SOG = .889%


WJC 2011 (Gold Medal Game vs. Russia)

Mark Visentin: 5 GA on 27 SOG = .815%


WJC 2012 (Semifinal vs. Russia)

Scott Wedgewood: 4 GA on 13 SOG = .692%
Mark Visentin: 2 GA on 11 SOG = .818%


TOTAL:

17 GA on 88 SOG = .807%


Just for comparisons sake, here are our opponents goaltending numbers in those same games:


WJC 2010 (Gold Medal Game vs. Canada)

Mike Lee: 3 GA on 7 SOG = .571%
Jack Campbell: 2 GA on 34 SOG = .941%


WJC 2011 (Gold Medal Game vs. Canada)

Dmitri Shikin: 3 GA on 18 SOG = .833%
Igor Bobkov: 0 GA on 20 SOG = 1.000%


WJC 2012 (Semifinal vs. Canada)

Andrei Vasilevski: 5 GA on 49 SOG = .898%
Andrei Makarov: 0 GA on 7 SOG = 1.000%


TOTAL:

13 GA on 135 SOG = .904%


I think what infuriates me the most about the whole situation, is that we're losing games with awful goaltending that we could be winning with even average (~.900-.910) goaltending. Sure, I'd love to get another Justin Pogge/Carey Price-esqe performance, but our country is so deep in talent, that all we need is average goaltending to win on any given night.

Lets say we get .892 goaltending in the gold medal game in 2010. That gives the USA 4 goals on 37 shots. Far from fantastic goaltending, but adequate enough to give Canada a 5-4 win.


Lets say we get .889 goaltending in the gold medal game in 2011. That gives Russia 3 goals on 27 shots. Again, far from fantastic, but that gives Canada at the very least a 3-3 tie and chance to win in OT. A .926% performance (more what I'd expect from a country that produces hockey players of Canada's caliber), gives the Russians 2 goals on the 27 shots and gives Canada a 3-2 win.


Now finally, lets say we get .875 goaltending in the 2012 semifinal, Canada beats the Russians 5-3 and advances to the gold medal game.


These of course are all hypothetical possibilities, but bottom line, if you were to plug in the numbers I mentioned above (.892 in 2010, .926 in 2011, and .875 in 2012), that lowers our goals against in those games from 17 GA to 9 GA (a staggering nearly 50% drop) and brings our overall save percentage to .898. .898 is still ****ing awful, and our number of goals against is cut by half. That stat just blows my mind.


That's all WJC, so let's take a look at the WHC, thus far.


Game 1 vs. Slovakia:

Ward allows 2 G on 21 SOG, for a save percentage of .905


Game 2 vs. USA:

Ward allows 5 G on 46 SOG, for a save percentage of .891


TOTAL: 7 G on 67 SOG, for a save percentage of .896


Not only is .896 total garbage, but many of the allowed goals were of the soft variety. The bottom line here, is that if Hockey Canada cannot correct this massive problem, we won't sniff the podium in Sochi. I don't see this happening, with less than 2 years until the Olympics start. For anyone who actually took the time to read my ongoing rant, I'd be interested in hearing about your opinions on this issue.

LukeD 05-05-2012 03:02 PM

TL;DR

But I agree, we're in trouble. I'd be interested to see what everyone's Top 5 Canadian Goalies list is.

MyNameIsNobody* 05-05-2012 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD (Post 49305109)
TL;DR

But I agree, we're in trouble. I'd be interested to see what everyone's Top 5 Canadian Goalies list is.

Price....That's it....

Lucky we only have to fill out 1 spot....


everyone else is way

way



down



here

vwg* 05-05-2012 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyNameIsNobody (Post 49305371)
Price....That's it....

Lucky we only have to fill out 1 spot....


everyone else is way

way



down



here

Yeah, Price is up there until he actually plays a few games then the Canadians will hate him as well.

M A K A V E L I* 05-05-2012 03:07 PM

1. Price
2. Elliot
3. Smith
4. Fleury
5. Luongo

TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 03:08 PM

Carey Price and MAF are the two guys for Sochi at the moment. Not exactly confident in that tandem.

DaveG 05-05-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD (Post 49305109)
TL;DR

But I agree, we're in trouble. I'd be interested to see what everyone's Top 5 Canadian Goalies list is.

I'd have Ward and Price as #1 and 2, they've been that way for a while for me. #3 tends to go from Luongo to Fleury to whoever the flavor of the month is (Holtby or Smith right now) depending on which of those two are hotter and on if there's someone that's just lights out.

Blueline Bomber 05-05-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by visor wearing goon (Post 49305479)
Yeah, Price is up there until he actually plays a few games then the Canadians will hate him as well.

Bingo

Baba Booey 05-05-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD (Post 49305109)
TL;DR

But I agree, we're in trouble. I'd be interested to see what everyone's Top 5 Canadian Goalies list is.

Steve Mason

Marty Turco

Andrew Raycroft

Glenn Healy

JP Arencibia

LukeD 05-05-2012 03:13 PM

Yeah I agree with Price as the top guy right now, but of course that could all change from now until Sochi.

TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LukeD (Post 49306117)
Yeah I agree with Price as the top guy right now, but of course that could all change from now until Sochi.

It's unlikely. Normally the U18 and WJC are good tournaments for scouting upcoming talent and as my numbers above show, Canada has NO ONE in the pipeline.

Muuri 05-05-2012 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someguy (Post 49307609)
It's unlikely. Normally the U18 and WJC are good tournaments for scouting upcoming talent and as my numbers above show, Canada has NO ONE in the pipeline.

Some late bloomer might show up. Like Smith this season.

TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muuri (Post 49309679)
Some late bloomer might show up. Like Smith this season.

Ehh. As good as Smith has been this post-season (and don't get me wrong, he's been incredible), one season is not enough to assess his abilities. If he's strong again next year, then you may be right.

Reikai 05-05-2012 04:23 PM

Whats up with canadian goalies when playing for NT?

Ward for example, he is clutch goalie in the NHL but no matter, seems like every canadian goalie seem to give up easy goals when they play for their country.

TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorein (Post 49309881)
Whats up with canadian goalies when playing for NT?

Ward for example, he is clutch goalie in the NHL but no matter, seems like every canadian goalie seem to give up easy goals when they play for their country.

Yep..

Rob 05-05-2012 04:26 PM

I don't trust Fleury at all. He is way too streaky. When he stinks he could be the worst goaltender in the league.

We will have to wait and see if Smith turns out to be the real deal.

Also, do not count out Luongo just yet.

Blueline Bomber 05-05-2012 04:27 PM

Canada will go with whichever 3 goaltenders are playing the best at the time of the deadline to make the decision. Whether that be Price, Luongo, Ward, Fleury, Smith, Elliot, Holtby, Mason, etc.

Too early to tell at the moment. Price could completely fall off the map next year, Holtby could put up a Vezina-like performance. Not saying either will happen, but it's possible.

At the end of the day, you've just got to trust that whichever 3 Holland/Yzerman/whoever go with, they're the right decisions.

Plante 05-05-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muuri (Post 49309679)
Some late bloomer might show up. Like Smith this season.

Smith isn't in the same ballpark as Price.

You'd have to be smoking some powerful ganja to think otherwise.

Uncle Rotter 05-05-2012 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Someguy (Post 49307609)
Normally the U18 and WJC are good tournaments for scouting upcoming talent and as my numbers above show

Yeah, why can't Canada have goalies that excelled at the U18 & WJC like Quick, Thomas, Miller...

samuraifailure 05-05-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorein (Post 49309881)
Whats up with canadian goalies when playing for NT?

Maybe it is the Maple Leaf in their jersey.

zorz 05-05-2012 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samuraifailure (Post 49311041)
Maybe it is the Maple Leaf in their jersey.

it probably reminds them of Toskala way too much :sarcasm:

y2kcanucks 05-05-2012 04:58 PM

Price, Luongo, Holtby, Fleury, Smith, Ward,

DekeLikeYouMeanIt 05-05-2012 04:58 PM

Fucale will change all that.

The Head Crusher 05-05-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baba Booey (Post 49305947)
Steve Mason

Marty Turco

Andrew Raycroft

Glenn Healy

JP Arencibia

He's American ;)

TonsofPuppies* 05-05-2012 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Habsolument90 (Post 49311153)
Fucale will change all that.

This is what I keep hearing.


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