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Haite 05-07-2012 03:17 PM

General Talk '12 — Finland (Part II)
 
First thread reached 41st page and apparently no one else was willing to start a new one. Carry on.

Goalies:

Kari Lehtonen
Petri Vehanen
Karri Rämö

Defence:
Ossi Väänänen
Lasse Kukkonen
Topi Jaakola
Mikko Mäenpää
Janne Niskala
Anssi Salmela
Juuso Hietanen
Joonas Järvinen

Forwards:

Mikko Koivu
Jesse Joensuu
Janne Pesonen
Jarkko Immonen
Petri Kontiola
Jussi Jokinen
Mika Pyörälä
Niko Kapanen
Antti Pihlström
Valtteri Filppula
Mikael Granlund
Leo Komarov
Tuomas Kiiskinen
Jani Tuppurainen

mattihp 05-07-2012 03:39 PM

PP seems like the only thing that will be changed for sure. Could lead to other changes later. Mikko and Mikke have played like they had a mental link when together so that may be a PP tweak. Mikke-Mikko-Immonen and Filppula-Kapanen-Jokinen/Komarov/Joensuu?

Haite 05-07-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattihp (Post 49391135)
PP seems like the only thing that will be changed for sure. Could lead to other changes later. Mikko and Mikke have played like they had a mental link when together so that may be a PP tweak. Mikke-Mikko-Immonen and Jokinen-Kapanen-Pesonen/Komarov/Joensuu?

Filppula?

mattihp 05-07-2012 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Haite (Post 49391233)
Filppula?

Editing ;)

QnebO 05-07-2012 03:53 PM

Just remembered, whats up with Teemu Hartikainen not in the EHT camp? Hes a great physical energy player, and if petrol was there, he should've been too.

FiLe 05-07-2012 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QnebO (Post 49391933)
Just remembered, whats up with Teemu Hartikainen not in the EHT camp? Hes a great physical energy player, and if petrol was there, he should've been too.

He's in the AHL playoffs. Oil released Lennu, but not him.

Lapa 05-07-2012 03:56 PM

Hoping to see Komarov in PP #1

Mestaruus 05-07-2012 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kemisti (Post 49387883)
I don't like Jalonen's inability to react..

Agreed. That may be his biggest flaw, but it has it's upsides if things happen to work. Too much patience is bad sometimes.

It's very possible it's going to work, but we'll never get to see how good some other combinations would be. They could be way better. Kekäläinen said it pretty well, kind of straight on Jalonen's face. He wondered why Jalonen doesn't even make line changes inside the games almost never.

Finnpin 05-08-2012 03:56 AM

Lehtonen gets starts against Switzerland. 1-0 game again? :D

Lapa 05-08-2012 04:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnpin (Post 49428451)
Lehtonen gets starts against Switzerland. 1-0 game again? :D

Maybe I should make a 1-0 bet in tulosveto :sarcasm:

Juzmo 05-08-2012 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finnpin (Post 49428451)
Lehtonen gets starts against Switzerland. 1-0 game again? :D

Lehtonen scores to the empty net and we get a 2-0 win.

SaunaMajuri 05-08-2012 07:14 AM

Our biggest problem is first line. Id like to see lines like this soon as possible.

Filppula-Koivu-Komarov
Pesonen-Immonen-Granlund
Joensuu-Kapanen-Jokinen
Pihlström-Kontiola-Tuppurainen

Komarov is that what first line needs to take their place as a best scoring line.

Jokinen and Kapanen have played together before and thats why it is easy to make a chance between Komarov and Jokinen.

Pyörälä is weak at the moment so now is good time to try Tuppurainen there.

Lapa 05-08-2012 07:40 AM

Have any of you read Matti Hagman's writings in Ilta-Sanomat? He seems to be a bit lost..

SoupyFIN 05-08-2012 10:03 PM

Timonen, yes or no?

Fallenity 05-09-2012 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoupyFIN (Post 49466365)
Timonen, yes or no?

I doubt he'll come, apparently some injury nagging him (didn't he miss a game at some point?)

Even if he'd come, he doesn't have any experience with Jalonen's system and might actually cause more harm than good.

starduckets 05-09-2012 03:50 AM

Could someone tell me why Armia never really got a chance to make the team? I definitely feel like he could have had a really positive impact.. I know that he's young, but even at his age he is a lot better than most players on the team. Would've been awesome to see him on the 1st or 2nd line! :D

goodoldhockeygame 05-09-2012 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starduckets (Post 49479745)
Could someone tell me why Armia never really got a chance to make the team? I definitely feel like he could have had a really positive impact.. I know that he's young, but even at his age he is a lot better than most players on the team. Would've been awesome to see him on the 1st or 2nd line! :D

he's injured........

starduckets 05-09-2012 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lassse34 (Post 49479755)
he's injured........

well that shows how much i follow sm-liiga...

Reikai 05-09-2012 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by starduckets (Post 49479745)
Could someone tell me why Armia never really got a chance to make the team? I definitely feel like he could have had a really positive impact.. I know that he's young, but even at his age he is a lot better than most players on the team. Would've been awesome to see him on the 1st or 2nd line! :D

Wow, maybe you're overrating Armia abit too much :laugh:

It was inevitable for Jussi to get some points, but i hope that doesnt blind Jalonen in believing that the 1st line will work. I just cant see it happening.

For the most part in yesterday's game JJ wasnt bringing anything to that line.

goodoldhockeygame 05-09-2012 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artorein (Post 49480209)
Wow, maybe you're overrating Armia abit too much :laugh:

It was inevitable for Jussi to get some points, but i hope that doesnt blind Jalonen in believing that the 1st line will work. I just cant see it happening.

For the most part in yesterday's game JJ wasnt bringing anything to that line.

he should have scored when there was empty net in front....ony streits legs were there....but he seemed to have power of a puppy and couldnt do anything. (jussi)

FiLe 05-09-2012 06:04 AM

What, only two messages' worth of "Jussi is useless" statements following the game? You're not going soft, are you guys?

Also, Immonen scored only two. Still nowhere near the form. Shouldn't the lines still be mixed and him replaced with Kapanen? Or Granlund down the middle? Filppula?

Oh yeah, and Tuppurainen, Kiiskinen must be added immediately!


...24 hours...

FinRuutu 05-09-2012 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FiLe (Post 49480571)
What, only two messages' worth of "Jussi is useless" statements following the game? You're not going soft, are you guys?

Also, Immonen scored only two. Still nowhere near the form. Shouldn't the lines still be mixed and him replaced with Kapanen? Or Granlund down the middle? Filppula?

Oh yeah, and Tuppurainen, Kiiskinen must be added immediately!


...24 hours...

HFBoards has always rated players according to "What has he done in the past 24h".

Small sample sizes are used to define a player all the time.

I said it after Belarus game, I said it after Slovakia game and I say it again. We can't jump to conclusion after these few games. Let's wait for the CAN & USA games at least, they are good measuring sticks.

Now we've seen first line click, we've seen second line click and both power plays got goals. Jussi got some points, Filppula got some goals, Immonen got some goals, all the players that "sucked" and underperfomed are (or almost) playing point / game.

You can judge a player based on one or two games you see in the WHC, but usually you make your self look like an ignorant idiot.

FiLe 05-09-2012 07:27 AM

Finland's lines vs. France, per YLE:

Vehanen (Lehtonen)

Mäenpää - Hietanen
Niskala - Salmela
Väänänen - Järvinen
Kukkonen - Jaakola

Filppula - Koivu - Jokinen
Pesonen - Immonen - Granlund
Komarov - Kapanen - Joensuu
Kiiskinen - Kontiola - Tuppurainen


Kisu, Allu in. Pillu and Spede scratched.

Lapa 05-09-2012 08:10 AM

Why in the name of hell do we have Kiiskinen in the 4th line?

Reikai 05-09-2012 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lapa (Post 49481735)
Why in the name of hell do we have Kiiskinen in the 4th line?

That 4th line is probably there just to add some extra scoring against France. And also give Kiiskinen and Tuppurainen a chance to play and see how they do.

This kinda proves that Jalonen doesnt even plan on trying Kiiskinen on the 1st line which is the right thing to do IMO. Just because Kiiskinen scored couple nice goals in the EHT games doesnt mean that he can actually do something against the top teams in this tournament.


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