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IHaveNoCreativity 05-08-2012 07:34 PM

Official Sherbrooke Phoenix thread 2012-2013 Season Inaugural year !
 
Hello Brookers !

The draft is a couple of weeks away !

Here's what our team looks like:

Euro-Audette-Euro
EXD-EXD-EXD
EXD-OA-OA
EXD-DP-EXD
EXD

OA-OA
EXD-EXD
DP-DP
EXD

OA
EXD

Drafts picks:
Everything Round 1-15, Import 1st and 61st.

Rumors:Audette as coach..

Disscuss what we can !

*DP=Draft Pick
*OA=OverAger
*EURO=European/Import
*EXD=Expansion Draft Pick

rocketfan 05-08-2012 07:47 PM

I wish you guys the best of luck with your franchise hate to see any franchises move so lets hope every team stays put for a few more years

IHaveNoCreativity 05-08-2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketfan (Post 49460245)
I wish you guys the best of luck with your franchise hate to see any franchises move so lets hope every team stays put for a few more years

They're hear to stay !

Scarecrow Boat 05-08-2012 08:16 PM

Is there a known date for the expansion draft? Mem Cup starts in 10 days, Q Draft in a month so I'm assuming somewhere between May 25th - June 5th

IHaveNoCreativity 05-08-2012 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam Thilander (Post 49462595)
Is there a known date for the expansion draft? Mem Cup starts in 10 days, Q Draft in a month so I'm assuming somewhere between May 25th - June 5th

The 1st is fine by me !

RJQuack 05-08-2012 10:40 PM

Pretty sure Lists are due the day that the Mem Cup starts, and they pick their players the day after the Mem Cup ends.

I like the depth chart ;)

So will we expect to see a team similar to Saint John in 06? Sherbrooke won't be good, but hopefully (and probably will) suck for a couple years to get them some top prospects.

Good luck, but I wish it was the Castors instead lol

Taoiseach 05-08-2012 10:46 PM

I'm really hoping that the Olympiques have a weekend where they play in Victoriaville and Sherbrooke.

We're looking to make that a weekend road trip. Visit two new (to us) arenas, the Laurier Museum in Victo, and a brand new team!

IHaveNoCreativity 05-09-2012 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HalifaxDucks (Post 49473175)
Pretty sure Lists are due the day that the Mem Cup starts, and they pick their players the day after the Mem Cup ends.

I like the depth chart ;)

So will we expect to see a team similar to Saint John in 06? Sherbrooke won't be good, but hopefully (and probably will) suck for a couple years to get them some top prospects.

Good luck, but I wish it was the Castors instead lol

Thanks I love the depth chart aswell:) its very informative:)

I would think so, before depending on whom we draft, and how we put this team together things could go alright.

CH4 05-09-2012 10:10 AM

As I and Markov79fan told you in the other thread, seems more and more realistic that Sylvain Lefebvre is your coach, there is no rumours of Audette at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenix_sbk
liste de candidats rencontrés par le Phoenix et selon Charbonneau les entrevues sont terminées

Sylvain Lefebvre
Mario Durocher
Judes Vallée
Mario Bernard
Sébastien Laplante
Martin Cadorette
Simon Olivier
Paulin Bordeleau

donc ce sera un de ceux la
décision d'ici deux semaines

Most Sherbrooke's fans don't believe Audette is in the mix.

CH4 05-09-2012 10:15 AM

and you can add Brent Turnbull to your lineup, It's been announced that Sherbrooke traded for him. (per Stephane Leroux) vs picks

Lien: http://www.quebec800.com/pages/flash...11831/lang:fre

IHaveNoCreativity 05-09-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CH4 (Post 49486385)
As I and Markov79fan told you in the other thread, seems more and more realistic that Sylvain Lefebvre is your coach, there is no rumours of Audette at all.



Most Sherbrooke's fans don't believe Audette is in the mix.

Which thread ?

So maybe we get highmore...

Also what picks were traded..

CH4 05-09-2012 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49489837)
Which thread ?

So maybe we get highmore...

Also what picks were traded..

Leroux didn't mention what picks..

probably not that good of a pick, Turnbull is a valuable 3rd liner at best.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-09-2012 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CH4 (Post 49492375)
Leroux didn't mention what picks..

probably not that good of a pick, Turnbull is a valuable 3rd liner at best.

Kk, good good, but why acquire a 3rd liner who's 18, when were gunna draft a bunch, also is it a 17 round draft ?

CH4 05-09-2012 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49493633)
Kk, good good, but why acquire a 3rd liner who's 18, when were gunna draft a bunch, also is it a 17 round draft ?

the expansion draft? you pick 2 guys per team.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-09-2012 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CH4 (Post 49494391)
the expansion draft? you pick 2 guys per team.

So when it's all said and done we'll have 34 and whoever we trade for and draft..

CH4 05-09-2012 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49496197)
So when it's all said and done we'll have 34 and whoever we trade for and draft..

35 with turnbull.

you trade turnbull vs a midget draft pick.

you'll have 34 players from the expansion draft then all your picks of the midget draft.

you traded one of those pick for turnbull.

chsb 05-09-2012 05:58 PM

Turnbull is a former 1st round pick who did not pan out and will be 18 YO next season.
He was one of the top players on the 2010 CSR list and no doubt that a change of scenery might trigger back his Q career:
http://www.lhjmq.qc.ca/article/les-m...10-telus/13301

So I think that the Titan got the Sherbrooke 2nd round pick in that trade.

Looking at the team without Turnbull:

Steeves,Brennan in goals

Godin,Girard,Fraser,Houle,Robert ,Gosselin will probably be protected on D.

Forwards:
O'Brien,Bissonnette,Lalancette,Banville,Stevens,Sa lvail,Lyle,Marois.

So Cochrane,Murray and Kabambi will probably end up unprotected.

We probably will see back Murray and Cochrane.
I believe the Titan already tendered their protection list to Sherbrooke and have an agreement in place where they will not touch Murray or Cochrane.
Maybe Kabambi or Godin would head up there.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-09-2012 06:07 PM

A second is steep...

CH4 05-10-2012 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49507589)
A second is steep...

extremely steep.

he is worth a 5th at best.

if it really is a second; the first selection of the 2nd round, it will be something like:

Bathurst 2nd or 3rd, Turnbull

vs Sherbrooke's 2nd.

even with bathurst's 3rd sherbrooke get screwed; Turnbull's type of player are dime a dozen in the Q.

Bjindaho 05-10-2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49507589)
A second is steep...

If your GM gave up the 19th or 20th pick straight up for Turnbull, he won't have a job long.

More likely, it is something like Turnbull + 3rd for your 2nd or Turnbull + other player(s) for the pick.

IHaveNoCreativity 05-10-2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CH4 (Post 49533259)
extremely steep.

he is worth a 5th at best.

if it really is a second; the first selection of the 2nd round, it will be something like:

Bathurst 2nd or 3rd, Turnbull

vs Sherbrooke's 2nd.

even with bathurst's 3rd sherbrooke get screwed; Turnbull's type of player are dime a dozen in the Q.

oyyyy sucks, like hell we have a expansion draft for players like this....

do we know who in Sherbrooke made the trade ?

chsb 05-10-2012 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CH4 (Post 49533259)
extremely steep.

he is worth a 5th at best.

if it really is a second; the first selection of the 2nd round, it will be something like:

Bathurst 2nd or 3rd, Turnbull

vs Sherbrooke's 2nd.

even with bathurst's 3rd sherbrooke get screwed; Turnbull's type of player are dime a dozen in the Q.

I also think that there is more than Turnbull to this trade....

We will have to wait for more details.

The Titan do have 2 of 2nd round draft picks as we speak.

CH4 05-10-2012 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49534405)
oyyyy sucks, like hell we have a expansion draft for players like this....

do we know who in Sherbrooke made the trade ?

We don't really know the return it is rumours for now.

LOL I'd guess it's sherbrooke's GM that made the deal; Charbonneau.

Bjindaho 05-11-2012 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IHaveNoCreativity (Post 49459415)
Hello Brookers !

The draft is a couple of weeks away !

Here's what our team looks like:

Euro-Audette-Euro
EXD-EXD-EXD
EXD-OA-OA
EXD-DP-EXD
EXD

OA-OA
EXD-EXD
DP-DP
EXD

OA
EXD

Drafts picks:
Everything Round 1-15, Import 1st and 61st.

Rumors:Audette as coach..

Disscuss what we can !

*DP=Draft Pick
*OA=OverAger
*EURO=European/Import
*EXD=Expansion Draft Pick

Couple of thoughts from an outside observer...

1) I'd call Audette your 2nd line center. Yes, he's probably going to have the most skill of your forwards, but he will also be a smallish 16 year-old. If your coach knows what he's doing, he'll beef up another line to allow Audette to avoid checking lines his first year.

2) Turnbull is probably a 2nd liner for you as well. Him playing 3rd line for Bathurst last year shouldn't be an indictment. He is only 18, and had 15 points last year on a team known for running their top lines as often as they can. He isn't ideal, but you never how he'll perform when given the chance.

3) Your OA forwards had better be on your top 2 lines. This is your chance to get some cheap yet decent players. This also ties back to Audette. If you could have a Villemaire and a Cuzner (examples, not definite names), you'd have a top line good enough to take pressure off Audette and provide meaningful offense, yet also being able to be shuffled around if Audette adapts better than expected.

4) You have too few draft picks on your team. If you look at what you are getting, a 16 year old might make more sense to your team than the crap you'll be getting from some teams. The value is in extras and 20s (because they can only keep 3 20s and some teams have massive surpluses like Moncton with Ds).

5) In terms of Euros, your top Euro will be a top 6/top 4 guy out of necessity. If your staff does their homework, you should get a decent player. Your 2nd Euro should be slotted in as a 4th line/3rd pairing guy to start with, with the possibility that he surprises. Most Euros struggle to adapt, but opportunities will be available. A 2nd round Euro pick is a lot harder to get a top guy with.

IMO, your lineup will look something like:

Euro - OA - OA
EXP - Audette - Turnbull
EXP - DP - DP
DP - EXP - Euro
EXP, EXP, DP

OA - EXP
EXP - OA
DP - DP
EXP, EXP

OA
DP

Most of your depth will be drafted via expansion draft but after the top couple of guys, draft picks will make more sense to play than a lot of your depth.

In terms of output, I'd say that having more than 1 point per game player is unlikely in year 1, but the idea is to build up. Use the top line to insulate the young'uns, but when things get out of hand score-wise, start giving the kids as many shifts as you can (even if it is out of hand the wrong way).

The biggest things you need from this year are:
1) to end the year with your own 1st rounder - obvious but needs to be said. There is no player that is worth it to you.

2) A tangible plan going forward on where the offense, defense and goaltending are going. Audette is likely your offensive catalyst after year one, but you don't want to force him to lead you right away. You need to know where your offense will come from year over year. This doesn't mean that you need to always return point per game players, but you do need to return some guys who have shown that they can play an offensive game.

By the same token, you need to have defensemen who have shown that they can play some minutes if need be. Expect the big minutes to go to vets, but your kids have to be thrown into bad situations occasionally (like defending a 5 on 3 because your vets are in the box). Most of the D that will be available in the expansion draft will excel at one end of the ice and be mediocre at the other. This is great for starting out (and depth), but to build a good D, you will have to find somebody who can play both ends.

Your goalie is gonna get shelled. It is also the position where OA should mean Gervais-Chouinard (Rimouski), assuming he's available. I don't see any other overage goalies that are good and won't be protected. Also expect to pick up someone else in the expansion draft. There are a handful of teams that will have to leave a goalie unprotected. Sherbrooke should still draft a goalie because the second guy you get in the expansion draft will be a stopgap at best.

Bjindaho 05-11-2012 07:19 AM

Also, for reference...

Saint John's first team:

Schutz (Euro) - Lambert (OA) - Laberge (EXP)
Bartos (Euro) - Sparling (DP) - Coughlin (OA)
Moore (EXP) - Bergeron (EXP) - Labonte (DP)
Monahan (DP) - Marchand (EXP)/Neil (DP) - Melanson (trade)/Gallant (FA)/ Leask (Invite)/Murphy (OA)

Caron (OA) - MacLellan (EXP)
Archambault (EXP) - Cote (EXP)/Starenky (OA)
Grant (DP) - Rioux (FA)
Dubuc (DP)

Churchill (OA)
Whitlock (EXP)

Couple of thoughts...

1) the lineup is pieced together by memory. We had a fair amount of player movement including Murphy becoming a last minute replacement for Starenky after the coach chased him away for not wanting to be strictly a fighter (he became a top 4 D for a contender)

2) Our 2nd line was a terrible idea and only contributed about 15 points after Christmas (TOTAL). We only won 2 games after Christmas and none on home ice.

3) With Starenky, that is a pretty damn good D. Without him, it was a trainwreck at times. Caron was awesome, but Grant was usually our 2nd best D (and the coach had no faith in him).

4) Churchill was a stud in net, but if we could have had a goalie going forward it would have been better. We left year one losing both goalies (Whitlock wasn't good enough to be an OA), 3 D (Caron was 20, and the next 3 from year one were basically competing for 1 spot), and 8 of the forwards listed (3 OAs, Leask and Moore weren't good enough to be OAs, and Bartos/Melanson/Marchand refused to come back


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