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mchose 05-15-2012 04:52 PM

Is Norway For Real?
 
To me this team has been a major surprise in this years WC, after their last game Patrick Thoreson is tied with Evgeni Malkin for the tournament points lead and on top of that they have made it to the quarter finals. Are they underrated, have they overachieved? Does anyone see them pulling off a major upset? I think it's completely possible.

supermasif 05-15-2012 04:58 PM

Norway are definitely for real. Great to see them play hard, skilled and with so much heart. Hopefully they can build on it for the future.

kajoo 05-15-2012 04:59 PM

was watching them vs Germany on german channel (Sport 1), their commentator sounded like he´s gonna to commit suicide.

Loved the executioon of their scoring chances, no wonder german goalie threw his stick away in frustration, those norwegian guys know how to bury it.

zorz 05-15-2012 05:00 PM

they made it to the QF last year too, which is even more impressive to make it twice in a row for team like Norway, which has 5-6 direct rivals for that spot.

Analyzer 05-15-2012 05:00 PM

Don't they also have a few good prospects coming up ? Not like 1st liners, but players who should make the nhl ?

Novak Djokovic 05-15-2012 05:01 PM

To be fair to Malkin, he doesn't have 10 points against Denmark and Germany.

zorz 05-15-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serbian Power (Post 49739183)
To be fair to Malkin, he doesn't have 10 points against Denmark and Germany.

which is his fault :sarcasm:

SimplySensational 05-15-2012 05:09 PM

I hope not... Cause we all know people around here will blame Ovechkin.

Fulcrum 05-15-2012 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mchose (Post 49738817)
To me this team has been a major surprise in this years WC, after their last game Patrick Thoreson is tied with Evgeni Malkin for the tournament points lead and on top of that they have made it to the quarter finals. Are they underrated, have they overachieved? Does anyone see them pulling off a major upset? I think it's completely possible.

ye, lets talk when Thoresen gets 3+2 against Sweden

Norway is to be taken very seriously, like Cze, Finland, US and so on. It's not going to be easy for Russia at all

kajoo 05-15-2012 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum (Post 49739719)
ye, lets talk when Thoresen gets 3+2 against Sweden

Norway is to be taken very seriously, like Cze, Finland, US and so on. It's not going to be easy for Russia at all

which is cool, isnt it ? I remember the WCH in 80s when even Finland/USA were considered a Micky Mouse teams, with 4 contenders only, USSR/Sweden/Czechoslovakia and Canada sometimes.

More contenders, more interesting WCH. The future is bright.

Granlund2Pulkkinen* 05-15-2012 05:23 PM

With Holøs playing a short stint in the NHL a season ago, and a few decent Norwegian prospects coming up through the next few drafts, it's kind of rude to discount the Nords as over achieving when their hockey production and program has certainly increased its quality since the 90's.

EDIT: For reference here's at least one prospect hat will be drafted and will have a decent shot at being a good player in the NHL http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=73397

Icebear 05-15-2012 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supermasif (Post 49739067)
Great to see them play hard, skilled and with so much heart.

I think the heart is the key to Norway's success. Give it all and then some more in every game. And that so many players now play in the SEL.

If Russia get 1 or 2 goal's first in the QF, Norway will not surrender, but keep on going.

Granlund2Pulkkinen* 05-15-2012 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kajoo (Post 49739937)
which is cool, isnt it ? I remember the WCH in 80s when even Finland/USA were considered a Micky Mouse teams, with 4 contenders only, USSR/Sweden/Czechoslovakia and Canada sometimes.

More contenders, more interesting WCH. The future is bright.

And teams like Slovenia, Latvia, etc. are really starting to produce too. Not NHL level talent but at least World-Class talent.

I like to poke my head over to the "upcoming prospects from non-traditional countries" thread to see who is making a noise outside of the top 7 or 8 producers of NHL talent. http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=898690

QnebO 05-15-2012 05:31 PM

Would they've been in the QF in Helsinki group where the fight for it was between

Canada
USA
Finland
Slovakia
Swiss
France


Swiss and France played great this year..

supermasif 05-15-2012 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QnebO (Post 49740317)
Would they've been in the QF in Helsinki group where the fight for it was between

Canada
USA
Finland
Slovakia
Swiss
France


Swiss and France played great this year..

Hard to say, but they would definitely have had a good chance. France almost made it to the QF and Norway are better than France.

kajoo 05-15-2012 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Granlund2Pulkkinen (Post 49740155)
And teams like Slovenia, Latvia, etc. are really starting to produce too. Not NHL level talent but at least World-Class talent.

I like to poke my head over to the "upcoming prospects from non-traditional countries" thread to see who is making a noise outside of the top 7 or 8 producers of NHL talent. http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=898690

nice link mate, thank you. Would be happy to see more future NHLers from countries like Italy, Hungary etc.

Jevo 05-15-2012 05:38 PM

It depends on what you mean by for real. Norway is definitely well coached, all the players buy into the system and the system works very well and they play with extreme confidence at the moment, in that way they are for real, it isn't just luck that brought them their results. They are definitely playing better than what you would expect by looking at the roster, in that sense you could say they are overachieving.
I expect their journey to end against Russia, there is simply too big of a difference between the two teams. One thing I think has to be mentioned about the team is though, that their shooting% are extremely high, through out the team. Which means that over more games they wouldn't be able to keep up these kind of results. I'm not saying it to put them down, but it's just something that should be considered when talking about Norways play this WC. Where it's safe to say that, the stars have really aligned for Norway.

DenGC 05-15-2012 05:47 PM

Norway are definitely looking good this year. However, I do not see an upset happening.

They are playing some fine hockey and their PP has been deadly.

The norwegian team has an advantage over the likes of Germany, Switzerland, Denmark and Belarus due to the fact that all of their players are European based (except Zuccarello). The depth of the team is pretty good and when a player like Thoresen is on fire you are bound to do well.

TollefsenFan 05-15-2012 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Serbian Power (Post 49739183)
To be fair to Malkin, he doesn't have 10 points against Denmark and Germany.

And? Thoresen got a lot of pressure on him. He knows that if he dosent produce, then the team will suffer. Norway wont get reinforcements from the NHL and there is no norwegian Pavel Datsyuk. So Thoresen got alot of pressure on him and he still delivers. Malkin on the other hand dosent feel the same kind of pressure. Okey if he plays bad in one game, then Datsyuk or someelse will score the goals needed. Russia got depth, we dont.

Thoresen scored the first 2 goals vs Germany in under a min and gave us great start to the game. He didnt score goal number 11 and 12 or something like that. No he scored the two most important goals. Thoresen is also very strong in his own zone. A team player.

But I believe that our coach deserves alot of/most credit. Without his defensive system, we wouldnt be in this position. If a player looses the puck, then all forwards go "home" and help out the D. It is also expected that the forwards blocks shots and work along the boards etc. We play disciplined hockey.

mchose 05-15-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenGC (Post 49740873)
Norway are definitely looking good this year. However, I do not see an upset happening.

They are playing some fine hockey and their PP has been deadly.

The norwegian team has an advantage over the likes of Germany, Switzerland, Denmark and Belarus due to the fact that all of their players are European based (except Zuccarello). The depth of the team is pretty good and when a player like Thoresen is on fire you are bound to do well.

Haha, since OV and Semin just joined Russia the chances are slimmer :shakehead
Still there is a chance!

TollefsenFan 05-15-2012 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QnebO (Post 49740317)
Would they've been in the QF in Helsinki group where the fight for it was between

Canada
USA
Finland
Slovakia
Swiss
France


Swiss and France played great this year..

We beat team switzerland and france in 2010 and 2011, so i guess we would.

CoolForumNamePending 05-15-2012 06:22 PM

Per various sources on the interwebs...
-Elite WC division since 2006
-QF three of the past 5 years (Although in 2008 they grabbed the last spot by being the best of a pretty bad bunch of teams)
-Have now qualified for their second straight Olympics
-Majority of their roster is now playing in top European leagues

What Norway has built over the past few years has been pretty impressive especially when you consider the limited resources they have to work with both on and off the ice.

Another thing that has been kind of cool to see is the way they have done it. When a mid-tier team starts stringing together some nice results it is often due to a very conservative/tight defensive system and a goalie standing on their head. I am sure Norway been playing solid defense and getting quality goaltending but over the past two WC they have also been able to generate their fair share of offence.

Russia should be able to beat them but Norway could be dangerous. You got to figure they have a ton of confidence right now but at the same time realise that they are still 'just Norway' and can't take anything or anyone for granted.

garbageteam 05-15-2012 06:31 PM

Norway beating Russia in the QF would numb the pain should Canada fall to SVK. Please make it happen hockey gods

Granlund2Pulkkinen* 05-15-2012 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garbageteam (Post 49742145)
Norway beating Russia in the QF would numb the pain should Canada fall to SVK. Please make it happen hockey gods

With Ovechkin and Semin joining they are nearing Olympic form... It'll be a blood bath for Russia I think.

KenGuru 05-15-2012 06:40 PM

When it comes to future prospect for Norway I think we look strongest on the goalies. I know there have been projects do develope goalies from the Norwegian HF. Steffen Søberg 18 (draftet by Washington), Lars Volden 19 (plaing in Finland , draftet by Boston) and Lars Haugen 24 (Dynamo Minsk). We have to give alot of credits to Sweden who are getting alot of our players and let them play in SEL.

Remember that they will play against Russia in QF on our national day. They are extremely motivated and have alot of selfconfidence. I will say we have between 20-25 % chance to beat them. We need luck and our goalie must have a really good day.


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