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Squeeven 05-17-2012 06:38 PM

Please be true (possibility of new asst. coaches)
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...evMyFVjgp7vLYF

Looks like we may have some new assistants next season. This article mentions that Mike Ricci and Bryan Marchment could both potentially be good candidates for the roles. What do you guys think? Would that be too risky or would it be better to get some experienced coaches? I'm really not sure but I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on the matter.

TheJuxtaposer 05-17-2012 06:47 PM

I know close to nothing about assistant politics, but hiring one of those guys (I'd prefer Ricci) and then someone with more experience might be the way to go.

KirbyDots 05-17-2012 06:51 PM

This is exactly what I had been saying should happen. Really hope Ricci gets the nod, the players are all familiar with him already and he brings experience as a vet and champion. That and if Ricci could instill half of his grit and heart into the team we would be much better off. That being said, I think they need to bring in someone else as well with more coaching experience with the only risk there being conflict or tension with Koala, but that shouldn't be a problem. Something needs to give with our current system, too formulaic and predictable. I'm a fan of TM but new blood will do him good to get the team back on track.

Arkansas Shark 05-17-2012 06:54 PM

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Led Zappa 05-17-2012 06:57 PM

There is nothing new in that article that indicates we know anymore than yesterday. The assistants may stay and they add another one or they are replaced.

PondShark 05-17-2012 06:58 PM

I hope Ricci is behind the bench next year. That guy, to this day, is still so ****ing awesome.

However, both would be too much inexperience behind the bench. We need TM (organization, Game Plan, PP), Ricci(Motivation), and Havi(PK/Defense).

DW Make it Happen!

Pinkfloyd 05-17-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PondShark (Post 49836367)
I hope Ricci is behind the bench next year. That guy, to this day, is still so ****ing awesome.

However, both would be too much inexperience behind the bench. We need TM (organization, Game Plan, PP), Ricci(Motivation), and Havi(PK/Defense).

DW Make it Happen!

Haviland does not have any sort of credentials to make one believe he is a successful defensive/PK coach in this league.

WTFetus 05-17-2012 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pinkfloyd (Post 49836449)
Haviland does not have any sort of credentials to make one believe he is a successful defensive/PK coach in this league.

I'm not buying into the Haviland hype either.

Speed 05-17-2012 09:01 PM

Ok guys I'm looking for help understanding the discussions about firing asst coaches and not the HC.

Doesn't the HC control everything - even how the PK and PP are run (at a higher level obviously)? I can't see an AC telling the HC "this is how I'm running it" without buy-in/sign-off. To me right now they just seem like scapegoats and band-aid fixes where the problem lies with the HC. I could believe chemistry for changes to the AC's, but I think it's the HC's system whether PP, PK, or even.

BTW I've seen Marchment and Ricci behind the bench in Worcester a number of times and I think they'd do a good job permanately behind there. But as far as behind the bench blame I'm thinking the fingers are not fully pointed where they should be.

Feel free to disagree with me - not looking for an argument but would appreciate help understanding.

:help:

Mrguy17 05-17-2012 09:14 PM

Ricci would be awesome, just to see his grizzled mug on tv for brief moments behind the bench would make next season that much more enjoyable.
Get Ricci in as a bench coach!

Pinkfloyd 05-17-2012 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed (Post 49841341)
Ok guys I'm looking for help understanding the discussions about firing asst coaches and not the HC.

Doesn't the HC control everything - even how the PK and PP are run (at a higher level obviously)? I can't see an AC telling the HC "this is how I'm running it" without buy-in/sign-off. To me right now they just seem like scapegoats and band-aid fixes where the problem lies with the HC. I could believe chemistry for changes to the AC's, but I think it's the HC's system whether PP, PK, or even.

BTW I've seen Marchment and Ricci behind the bench in Worcester a number of times and I think they'd do a good job permanately behind there. But as far as behind the bench blame I'm thinking the fingers are not fully pointed where they should be.

Feel free to disagree with me - not looking for an argument but would appreciate help understanding.

:help:

I think the concept is that the HC's don't control everything and thus they give responsibilities of certain areas to the AC's. Inevitably, whether he does or doesn't control everything, he is to blame in the same way that DW is to blame because he is the one that put the team together and McLellan is the one that put the staff together.

From what I can tell, they let the AC's focus on a particular side and confer with the HC and come to a consensus of what to do and what to focus on and the AC goes back to the players and executes the plan.

You are right to some extent that it is somewhat pointing in the wrong direction. I saw enough of these AC's when McLellan was out with that concussion. They are a problem. If you buy into what McLellan reportedly does which is even strength and PP, he has been a success. So it's possible that with assistants that can handle the PK and maybe get someone to tell McLellan to sit your God damn starter a little more then you might see results.

Spacemania 05-17-2012 09:19 PM

I have a suspicion here.

Ricci may be brought forward to the bench to be the eventual replacement of Todd if he chokes in the middle of the next season. If not, he'll get the experience and go on and be the later replacement

CupfortheSharks 05-17-2012 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed (Post 49841341)
Ok guys I'm looking for help understanding the discussions about firing asst coaches and not the HC.

Doesn't the HC control everything - even how the PK and PP are run (at a higher level obviously)? I can't see an AC telling the HC "this is how I'm running it" without buy-in/sign-off. To me right now they just seem like scapegoats and band-aid fixes where the problem lies with the HC. I could believe chemistry for changes to the AC's, but I think it's the HC's system whether PP, PK, or even.

BTW I've seen Marchment and Ricci behind the bench in Worcester a number of times and I think they'd do a good job permanately behind there. But as far as behind the bench blame I'm thinking the fingers are not fully pointed where they should be.

Feel free to disagree with me - not looking for an argument but would appreciate help understanding.

:help:

Just because Todd is the head coach, doesn't mean that he is the most knowledgeable person in the orginization about every aspect of the game.

Take it to another sport. In football, an offensive coordinator is hired as a head coach. In his first year the defense is horrible. Do you fire him or the defensive coordinator? Yes, the head coach is ultimately responsible, but it's clear that you need a better defensive coordinator.

DW is putting together a team of teams. A team on the ice, a team behind the bench, a team in the scouting department....etc. If these reports are correct, he has decided that Todd is the right person to head the coaching staff, but Todd needs assistants that are stronger in certain areas than the current assistants. PK being the most obvious area.

SJeasy 05-17-2012 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed (Post 49841341)
Ok guys I'm looking for help understanding the discussions about firing asst coaches and not the HC.

Doesn't the HC control everything - even how the PK and PP are run (at a higher level obviously)? I can't see an AC telling the HC "this is how I'm running it" without buy-in/sign-off. To me right now they just seem like scapegoats and band-aid fixes where the problem lies with the HC. I could believe chemistry for changes to the AC's, but I think it's the HC's system whether PP, PK, or even.

BTW I've seen Marchment and Ricci behind the bench in Worcester a number of times and I think they'd do a good job permanately behind there. But as far as behind the bench blame I'm thinking the fingers are not fully pointed where they should be.

Feel free to disagree with me - not looking for an argument but would appreciate help understanding.

:help:

There are assistants who are notable in skills. Ramsay is a fantastic hired gun as an offensive AC and does make a difference with multiple different teams 5on5 and PP. He is not a good HC. Unfortunately most hired guns that are good become HC's even if they are failures as HC's.

TM is strictly an offensive coach and it is pretty obvious that there are issues with their defensive style as it has been getting progressively worse whether it be PK or 5on5. If TM confesses ignorance in this area and is open to help, then it is up to DW to find help and not assess blame.

For others above,
I like Ricci. But liking him and liking his heart/grit is not a qualifier for being an AC. Intelligence is. He was never a speed guy. Does he understand the need for speed and associated strategies in the new NHL? Does he have any experience in forming game plans? For me and in reading his career, Ricci is a guy for lockerroom conflict, a peacemaker, more than anything else.

I am pretty sure that Ricci and Marchment have been around enough to understand the work level needed for ACs in today's NHL. Are they willing to commit to that?

hockeyball 05-17-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speed (Post 49841341)
Ok guys I'm looking for help understanding the discussions about firing asst coaches and not the HC.

Doesn't the HC control everything - even how the PK and PP are run (at a higher level obviously)? I can't see an AC telling the HC "this is how I'm running it" without buy-in/sign-off. To me right now they just seem like scapegoats and band-aid fixes where the problem lies with the HC. I could believe chemistry for changes to the AC's, but I think it's the HC's system whether PP, PK, or even.

BTW I've seen Marchment and Ricci behind the bench in Worcester a number of times and I think they'd do a good job permanately behind there. But as far as behind the bench blame I'm thinking the fingers are not fully pointed where they should be.

Feel free to disagree with me - not looking for an argument but would appreciate help understanding.

:help:

I agree with you totally, if that wasn't obvious. The AC's are the HC's responsibility, and I unless T-Mac is the one doing the firing (little late...) with no input from DW (doubtful) I see it as a pretty desperate act.

Nighthock 05-17-2012 10:41 PM

anyone is better than dumb and dumber

VP and GM 05-17-2012 11:08 PM

Would Tom Renney be any good as assistant coach?

SJeasy 05-17-2012 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VP and GM (Post 49848181)
Would Tom Renney be any good as assistant coach?

Only one season as AC. Very conservative approach to the game. Well liked and a good guy for not absolutely crushing young players.

I'd take him as an HC for a young team not expected to do anything and to learn defense. Move on from him as the team evolved.

VP and GM 05-17-2012 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJeasy (Post 49848725)
Only one season as AC. Very conservative approach to the game. Well liked and a good guy for not absolutely crushing young players.

I'd take him as an HC for a young team not expected to do anything and to learn defense. Move on from him as the team evolved.

I don't know his forte as a coach. Can he fix the PK? Can he tweek the 5 on 5 offense for more GF?? My gut tells me he's not got a specific talent to help with the Sharks team needs. We don't need a teaching coach who is conservative if this is his forte.

SJeasy 05-17-2012 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VP and GM (Post 49848855)
I don't know his forte as a coach. Can he fix the PK? Can he tweek the 5 on 5 offense for more GF?? My gut tells me he's not got a specific talent to help with the Sharks team needs. We don't need a teaching coach who is conservative if this is his forte.

You lose GF with Renney. Might improve PK. He'd be good for TO, Carolina or Minny as an HC.

TheJuxtaposer 05-17-2012 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJeasy (Post 49848725)
Only one season as AC. Very conservative approach to the game. Well liked and a good guy for not absolutely crushing young players.

I'd take him as an HC for a young team not expected to do anything and to learn defense. Move on from him as the team evolved.

I take it the Oil firing him is a sign that they think they're ready to compete and make the playoffs?

Personally, I don't care how many talented offensive 18-year-olds you throw on a team, it's not a good plan.

SJeasy 05-17-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 49849533)
I take it the Oil firing him is a sign that they think they're ready to compete and make the playoffs?

Personally, I don't care how many talented offensive 18-year-olds you throw on a team, it's not a good plan.

He's a good starting point for teaching them to play defense. He won't let vets crush youngsters. And he will stand up to vets. But he really loses it on the offensive side of the puck and will sacrifice too much offense for defense.

TheJuxtaposer 05-17-2012 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJeasy (Post 49849715)
He's a good starting point for teaching them to play defense. He won't let vets crush youngsters. And he will stand up to vets. But he really loses it on the offensive side of the puck and will sacrifice too much offense for defense.

Wasn't there some big rift in the Edmonton lockerroom earlier this season between the vets and the kids on the Oilers?

SJeasy 05-18-2012 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 49849875)
Wasn't there some big rift in the Edmonton lockerroom earlier this season between the vets and the kids on the Oilers?

And the kids won. Needs to happen more often around the league. There are a lot of vets more interested in protecting their status/TOI than truly mentoring.

TheJuxtaposer 05-18-2012 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SJeasy (Post 49850073)
And the kids won. Needs to happen more often around the league. There are a lot of vets more interested in protecting their status/TOI than truly mentoring.

I think I see where this is going. :laugh:

Thanks bud.


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