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tarheelhockey 05-18-2012 03:08 PM

What Euro-league players consistently outperform NHL'ers?
 
What players from European leagues consistently have better World Championship tournaments than their NHL counterparts? Ideally players who don't just have good stats from playing weak countries, but those who actually go head-to-head with top opponents and look good.

By "consistently", I mean 3 times or more.

Everlasting 05-18-2012 03:37 PM

Everyone was better then Hedman.

slovakiasnextone 05-18-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Robin929 (Post 49866123)
Everyone was better then Hedman.

Oh come on, that´s not what the OP was asking at all.

Qurpiz 05-18-2012 03:42 PM

Jarkko Immonen (this tournament notwithstanding)
Niko Kapanen
That one line from Russia that play together in KHL

wings5 05-18-2012 03:43 PM

Consistantly? None really come to mind...

WJG 05-18-2012 03:46 PM

Mattias Weinhandl

Dosing 05-18-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by slovakiasnextone (Post 49866199)
Oh come on, that´s not what the OP was asking at all.

Depends how you look at it, if everyone was better then hedman which they were you could just name any non-nhl player you want:laugh:

Den 05-18-2012 03:47 PM

Some Russian names: Nikulin, Morozov-Zaripov-Zinov'ev in the past, Tereschenko, Gorovikov.

Den 05-18-2012 03:49 PM

Tony Mårtensson

SPMaximus 05-18-2012 03:52 PM

Petri Vehanen was pretty awesome last year

if he were younger i think he could be an NHL starter

and hes been solid so far this year, even if he hasnt been as tested yet

slovakiasnextone 05-18-2012 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dosing (Post 49866497)
Depends how you look at it, if everyone was better then hedman which they were you could just name any non-nhl player you want:laugh:

The OP was asking about Euro players who were better than NHLers consistently for a longer period of time, around at least 3 years. How can you determine such players by comparing them to a guy who has played only his 2nd WC as an NHLer (and AFAIK he wasn´t that bad in his first one)

Muuri 05-18-2012 03:56 PM

Ville Peltonen used to be.

Zine 05-18-2012 04:01 PM

Ilya Nikulin

ThrashersfanSVK 05-18-2012 04:02 PM

Jörgen Jönsson and Jiří Dopita used to be considered as the best players outside the NHL.

When Dopita came to the NHL, he was a disappointment (even though he scored 4 goals to Atlanta, well, yeah, but if I take into account that 4 goals in one game scored also Pascal Rheaume, I have to think about difficulty of this task...)

MrJonas 05-18-2012 04:05 PM

Both Kenny and Jörgen Jönsson were consistenly elite in international tournaments, both before and after playing in the NHL.

TollefsenFan 05-18-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tarheelhockey (Post 49865227)
What players from European leagues consistently have better World Championship tournaments than their NHL counterparts? Ideally players who don't just have good stats from playing weak countries, but those who actually go head-to-head with top opponents and look good.

By "consistently", I mean 3 times or more.

Patrick Thoresen.

5 assists in 4 games in the Vancouver olympics.

The topscorer after the first 3 games in 2010 whc (with 6 points in 3 games vs Sweden, Czech rep and France. Two points in each game. He was the topscorer after the preliminary rounds if im not mistaken.)

And the topscorer so far in this whc (18 points. 2 points in the QF vs Russia, 1 point vs the czech rep and 1 point vs Russia).

Edit: I also wanna ad that Thoresen is good defensively. Its not only about scoring, but also about helping the defence. And he always does a very good job in his own zone (blocking shots, working hard along the boards etc).

Den 05-18-2012 04:24 PM

Martin Prochazka and Pavel Patera

Peter25 05-18-2012 04:26 PM

Krutov, Larionov, Makarov, Fetisov, Kasatonov.

They won most of the WC's in the 1980's and also won all three Canada Cups in 1981, 1984 and 1987.

FiLe 05-18-2012 04:29 PM

At least what comes to the members of the elite, we could say pretty much any non-NHLer who has represented his country for three tournaments or more.

Den 05-18-2012 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter25 (Post 49868013)
Krutov, Larionov, Makarov, Fetisov, Kasatonov.

I guess the question is about the relatively recent tournies, because otherwise, one can just paste copy Soviet rosters.

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Originally Posted by Peter25 (Post 49868013)
also won all three Canada Cups in 1981, 1984 and 1987.

That's is in a Canada on Mars I assume?

Peter25 05-18-2012 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Den (Post 49868217)
That's is in a Canada on Mars I assume?

Yes, I am half-trolling. Let's just say that neither team won in 1987 but it was Don Koharski that won the tournament.

Peter25 05-18-2012 04:38 PM

From current players:

Cervenka, Nikulin, Perezhogin, Immonen, Mårtensson, Thoresen, Weinhandl, Komarov, Nemec, Kuznetsov, Kontiola, Väänänen, Medvedev, Dallman... basically the elite players from the KHL and few from other Euro leagues.

Noma 05-18-2012 04:44 PM

Alexei Kalyuzhny is a name that comes immediately to my mind. Morten Ask is another one that always performs well.

TollefsenFan 05-18-2012 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Noma (Post 49868563)
Alexei Kalyuzhny is a name that comes immediately to my mind. Morten Ask is another one that always performs well.

Not Morten Ask. He is not good enough, but he plays well vs weaker teams. And he is usefull on PK. But i wouldnt compare him to NHL players.

Den 05-18-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter25 (Post 49868375)
Medvedev, Dallman.

These two consistently performed in 0 WC's to date :)


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