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stars13* 05-21-2012 12:20 PM

Russians care more for international play
 
I understand the world championship is important to the the Russians because of there great history but it seems they are more passionate when they play international hockey instead of nhl playoff hockey. Malkin dominated the tournament but a month ago the flyers frustrated the hell out of him. Now lets see if you can run the table when everyone is playing in 2014.

Skyver 05-21-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by stars13 (Post 49957947)
I understand the world championship is important to the the Russians because of there great history but it seems they are more passionate when they play international hockey instead of nhl playoff hockey. Malkin dominated the tournament but a month ago the flyers frustrated the hell out of him. Now lets see if you can run the table when everyone is playing in 2014.

Yes, maybe. That's their culture. Can you blame them for loving their country that much?

Fulcrum 05-21-2012 12:27 PM

Water is wet.

That is all

NewFang 05-21-2012 12:29 PM

I disagree. I just think it's alot tougher to play in the nhl playoffs than the world championship. I'm sure if you asked players that they'd tell you. Teams are well coached, systems in place, and you're dealing with long grueling series with the best players in the world putting it all on the line.

If your premise was accurate, how would you explain the poor showing of Russia at the Olympics, or how would you explain Malkin winning a Conn Smyth.

CCCP 05-21-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stars13 (Post 49957947)
I understand the world championship is important to the the Russians because of there great history but it seems they are more passionate when they play international hockey instead of nhl playoff hockey. Malkin dominated the tournament but a month ago the flyers frustrated the hell out of him. Now lets see if you can run the table when everyone is playing in 2014.

He also just won the Art Ross, most likely will win the Hart and Lindsey, and also has won the Cup and the Conn Smythe before.

NewFang 05-21-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CCCP (Post 49958245)
He also just won the Art Ross, most likely will win the Hart and Lindsey, and also has won the Cup and the Conn Smythe before.

Exactly. Not to mention guys like ov and dats do very well in the nhl playoffs

LSnow 05-21-2012 12:57 PM

Maybe if the canadian mr fleury would care to play in playoffs maybe malkin woulnd be new mr champion..

Sokil 05-21-2012 01:25 PM

Crosby didn't play all that passionately in the playoffs and then bailed on Team Canada for the WCs, so what's that say about passion?


Nothing. This micro analysis is stupid.

kp61c 05-21-2012 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stars13 (Post 49957947)
I understand the world championship is important to the the Russians because of there great history but it seems they are more passionate when they play international hockey instead of nhl playoff hockey. Malkin dominated the tournament but a month ago the flyers frustrated the hell out of him. Now lets see if you can run the table when everyone is playing in 2014.

its moronic to say the world championship is more important to the russians for obvious reasons, but it doesnt mean they souldnt play at 100 per cent in wc

Sh00terMcGavin 05-21-2012 01:39 PM

First off, this notion that Sid and Geno were "shut down" in the playoffs has to stop. They both had 8 points in 6 games (yes I know the 10 goal game helped). The reason the Pens lost was because of atrocious defense and goaltending. As for Russia though, I have no problem with fans feeling proud in their country. There's no point in even discussing the World Championships if every comeback is "well, let's see if you can do it in 2014!"

Dares 05-21-2012 02:05 PM

Today you play KHL, tomorrow NHL, might end up playing for 5+ teams....why should you care about a cup. Playing for you national team winning medals is more important.
Yes you want to win the cup, whichever it is but when it comes to a call for the national team you should take a huge dump in that cup and answer that call....

Canada doing not so great in WC, same talk every year of how important it is for them brought it to a level NA guys act as if its of less importance to them.
Put these WHC in NA, Canada takes the gold year after year then it becomes super important all of a sudden.....

Zuluss 05-21-2012 02:08 PM

I think they just look different, and this is what makes WC fun to watch. You've got to see Malkin rushing down the wing because the ice is bigger or some vintage Ovechkin because Team Norway apparently does not have a book on him like NHL teams do.

Sokil 05-21-2012 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dares (Post 49961615)
Today you play KHL, tomorrow NHL, might end up playing for 5+ teams....why should you care about a cup. Playing for you national team winning medals is more important.
Yes you want to win the cup, whichever it is but when it comes to a call for the national team you should take a huge dump in that cup and answer that call....

Canada doing not so great in WC, same talk every year of how important it is for them brought it to a level NA guys act as if its of less importance to them.
Put these WHC in NA, Canada takes the gold year after year then it becomes super important all of a sudden.....

to play devils advocate here, with a team you (in most cases) 1) spend your career trying to get a Cup, so the goal of getting it builds up that desire and 2) you spend your entire season, 82 games with your teammates trying to win, so getting to the playoffs is a the culmination of all the work you've put in.

OttawaRoughRiderFan* 05-21-2012 02:21 PM

Russian hockey has seen a resurgence lately. Up until 2010, many were singing its death knell. First came success at the WC. Then the WJR's. Perhaps 2014 will be their year as well. The big ice will help. Home ice may not.

Uncle Rotter 05-21-2012 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KevyD (Post 49962243)
Up until 2010, many were singing its death knell.

There were many more picking them as the favourites for Vancouver

Coramoor 05-21-2012 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sokil (Post 49960217)
Crosby didn't play all that passionately in the playoffs and then bailed on Team Canada for the WCs, so what's that say about passion?


Nothing. This micro analysis is stupid.

Crosby was good in the playoffs, although clearly a little worried about being headhunted along the boards

Given his injury problems this year, you can see him passing. Stamkos had some kind of hand problem. Giroux just had surgery on both wrists. Injuries are a ***** and the WC doesn't hold the same importance to Canada as it does to European countries

nucks88 05-21-2012 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Sokil (Post 49960217)
Crosby didn't play all that passionately in the playoffs and then bailed on Team Canada for the WCs, so what's that say about passion?


Nothing. This micro analysis is stupid.

Says a lot about serious concussions though don't you think? I give the guy a pass on this one, he came through when it mattered in 2010. I don't think you will find a more competitive or passionate player anywhere.

Yamaguchi* 05-22-2012 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Rotter (Post 49971907)
There were many more picking them as the favourites for Vancouver

Who thought so? Those guys must be jokers. It was obvious that Canada had a huge chance of winning gold on home ice.

Gemini 05-22-2012 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Dares (Post 49961615)
Yes you want to win the cup, whichever it is but when it comes to a call for the national team you should take a huge dump in that cup and answer that call....

Come again?

Why on earth should the national team take precedence over winning the most important trophy in hockey? Playing for the national team is only good for silly nationalist chest-pounding.

Korolyuk15 05-22-2012 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini (Post 49992867)
Come again?

Why on earth should the national team take precedence over winning the most important trophy in hockey? Playing for the national team is only good for silly nationalist chest-pounding.

I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous....representing your nation is important in every sport, there is extra emotion that comes with a shared culture, heritage and history, the core components of what define a "nation"...thats why athletes do it without being paid (much?)

You are basically saying nations aren't important at all...history would beg to differ...

Playing for national teams is important for Americans and Canadians just as much as Russians and Europeans, just not when they lose (hence the lack of emphasis on the WHC or the world cup)

FanKHL 05-22-2012 06:36 AM

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Why on earth should the national team take precedence over winning the most important trophy in hockey?
Is it serious? lol

Gemini 05-22-2012 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Korolyuk15 (Post 49992953)
I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous....representing your nation is important in every sport, there is extra emotion that comes with a shared culture, heritage and history, the core components of what define a "nation"...thats why athletes do it without being paid (much?)

Which is why it's so silly: You want to win for your country, no matter the country, just because it's your country. In fact, there seems to be a negative correlation between a given country's living standards and its inhabitants' national pride, at least when it comes to sports. Of course, this is not all that surprising: When you've got little things to be proud of, silly international competitions are valued disproportionately. So, it's not surprising that Americans value international tournaments (in any sports) less than Russians do. Representing your country is still important to a North American but not as important as winning the highest prize available to an individual athlete (North Americans being more individualistic than Europeans/Asians). This is why it's not so important whose jersey you happen to be wearing when you get to lift the cup. The city is not important in itself; it's merely a tool.

An athlete should always seek the highest prize. In hockey, that prize is the Stanley Cup. Any hockey athlete who wants to win the WHC gold over the Stanley Cup is being irrational.

TollefsenFan 05-22-2012 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zuluss (Post 49961739)
I think they just look different, and this is what makes WC fun to watch. You've got to see Malkin rushing down the wing because the ice is bigger or some vintage Ovechkin because Team Norway apparently does not have a book on him like NHL teams do.

Malkin played against Norway 2 times and ended up with 0 goals and 3 assists :) Only 1 assist in the QF game and it was on the 5th goal. So Malkin didnt dominate so much in the games vs Norway :) Ovi scored a lucky goal on us. He shot from behind the goal and hit the goalies skate :(

jekoh 05-22-2012 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gemini (Post 49993483)
Of course, this is not all that surprising: When you've got little things to be proud of, silly international competitions are valued disproportionately. So, it's not surprising that Americans value international tournaments (in any sports) less than Russians do.

They also value international tournaments less than Norwegians do, so your explanation as to why certain people value international tournaments more than others seems stupid.

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Originally Posted by Gemini (Post 49993483)
An athlete should always seek the highest prize. In hockey, that prize is the Stanley Cup.

The highest prize in hockey is Olympic gold.

jaeger 05-22-2012 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jekoh (Post 49993969)
The highest prize in hockey is Olympic gold.

This.


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