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SIDGENO8771 05-21-2012 12:32 PM

Tor - Bos
 
Dougie Hamilton for 2012 1st

Confound 05-21-2012 12:34 PM

Nope.

Hamilton is pretty much untouchable for Boston barring a vast over payment. He is the only prospect in the system that has the potential to be a top pairing D-man which I can't see Chia trading away.

Manked 05-21-2012 12:34 PM

Boston says no way.

TorstenFrings 05-21-2012 12:40 PM

Wow, was I the only one expecting a goalie proposal, most likely Thomas.

BudMovin* 05-21-2012 12:43 PM

Boston declines. Hamilton is everything Boston needs in it's anemic defensive prospect pool. Plus Peter Chiarelli flat out said he wont trade Dougie.


DonMalone 05-21-2012 12:46 PM

Unless its a deal that is too good to be true I say Hamilton stays put.

Alicat 05-21-2012 12:51 PM

:laugh: no.

abhanot 05-21-2012 03:19 PM

I wish we didn't trade for Kessel... he's the easiest scared player in the NHL. No defence... :cry:

To think we could have had Hamilton, Knight, and Seguin... *****

TheHudlinator 05-21-2012 03:59 PM

Schenn + Tor 1st might be something Boston atleast looks at.

Dellstrom 05-21-2012 04:18 PM

Yeah, uhm, no.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:18 PM

Leafs say no way.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:20 PM

The guy that made this isn't even a leafs fan.

Why would the leafs pass on Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, or Forsberg for Hamilton?

Shaun 05-21-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulemon (Post 49966939)
The guy that made this isn't even a leafs fan.

Why would the leafs pass on Grigorenko, Galchenyuk, or Forsberg for Hamilton?

Hamilton is better than all 3 of them and Toronto's D is awful.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossfire (Post 49967143)
Hamilton is better than all 3 of them and Toronto's D is awful.

Compare potentials (if everything goes right):

Grigorenko - 90-100 point playmaking center

Galchenyuk - PPG two way center

Forsberg - 70 point 6'3 200lb power forward winger with leadership qualities so potential captain

Hamilton - 40-50 point giant two way top pairing D


All of those forwards if they work out would be much more valuable, especially to the leafs who need to get bigger and they are all 6'2 or larger.

Oh and Toronto's D is not awful. Their previous coach had no clue on how to coach them on defense.

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Schenn
Liles - Franson

They also have Blacker, Percy, and Holzer in the system.

Nizdizzle 05-21-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystifo (Post 49967561)
Troll thread but for the record....

Grigs, Gally, Forsberg >> Hamilton from a Leafs POV

Murray > Hamilton just saying.

Thats a very, very bold prediction...

RaskY 05-21-2012 04:39 PM

Lol, Leafs would never do this. They need a center, but at the very least they need another forward who can potentially develop into a first liner.

One of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko, or Forsberg is way more valuable to the Leafs than Dougie Hamilton.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nathan311 (Post 49967693)
Thats a very, very bold prediction...

Not necessarily. Murray once was regarded as the best defense prospect in years. I still think the offensive side of his game is very underrated.

Leafidelity 05-21-2012 04:43 PM

Why would Toronto do this? I dont understand the point other than trying to troll some fanbases.

nmbr_24 05-21-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulemon (Post 49967527)
Compare potentials (if everything goes right):

Grigorenko - 90-100 point playmaking center

Galchenyuk - PPG two way center

Forsberg - 70 point 6'3 200lb power forward winger with leadership qualities so potential captain

Hamilton - 40-50 point giant two way top pairing D


All of those forwards if they work out would be much more valuable, especially to the leafs who need to get bigger and they are all 6'2 or larger.

Oh and Toronto's D is not awful. Their previous coach had no clue on how to coach them on defense.

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Schenn
Liles - Franson

They also have Blacker, Percy, and Holzer in the system.

I would like to know your formula for figuring out these players potential.

Whatever it is you should probably take a look at how in the world your system could predict that Grigorenko will be a 100 point player and Hamilton a 50 point max player even though in real life Hamilton scored at almost the exact ppg as Grigorenko.

That leads me to believe that if Grigorenko is a 90-100 point playmaking center, then Hamilton is a 90-100 point #1 defenseman. That is if your system for figuring out what these players will be is at all accurate.

nmbr_24 05-21-2012 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulemon (Post 49967835)
Not necessarily. Murray once was regarded as the best defense prospect in years. I still think the offensive side of his game is very underrated.

That's funny, I didn't read that about Murray, where did you read that? I read he was a good prospect, but not that he was the best prospect in years, I do remember reading that Ryan Murphy was supposed to be the best D prospect in years and that turned out to be questionable at best.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmbr_24 (Post 49968057)
I would like to know your formula for figuring out these players potential.

Whatever it is you should probably take a look at how in the world your system could predict that Grigorenko will be a 100 point player and Hamilton a 50 point max player even though in real life Hamilton scored at almost the exact ppg as Grigorenko.

That leads me to believe that if Grigorenko is a 90-100 point playmaking center, then Hamilton is a 90-100 point #1 defenseman. That is if your system for figuring out what these players will be is at all accurate.

I watch all of these players. Except Forsberg who I have only seen play three times. I watch more junior hockey than I do NHL hockey.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmbr_24 (Post 49968233)
That's funny, I didn't read that about Murray, where did you read that? I read he was a good prospect, but not that he was the best prospect in years, I do remember reading that Ryan Murphy was supposed to be the best D prospect in years and that turned out to be questionable at best.

A couple years ago. Might've been last year.

And are you sure? You could have misinterpreted best defenseman for best offensive defenseman. Because he most certainly is. He's the best offensive Dman to come out of the CHL in forever. He's small though, but I still think he has a very bright future.

nmbr_24 05-21-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kulemon (Post 49968431)
A couple years ago. Might've been last year.

And are you sure? You could have misinterpreted best defenseman for best offensive defenseman. Because he most certainly is. He's the best offensive Dman to come out of the CHL in forever. He's small though, but I still think he has a very bright future.

Maybe it was best offensive d-man, it makes more sense. From what I have seen he is not quite in the same class as Dougie Hamilton.

ZetterBurger 05-21-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mystifo (Post 49967561)
Troll thread but for the record....

Grigs, Gally, Forsberg >> Hamilton from a Leafs POV

Murray > Hamilton just saying.

I agree. If one of those forwards turns into the real deal they could be on the fast track. I like what the Leafs have in their system.

Kulemon 05-21-2012 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nmbr_24 (Post 49968761)
Maybe it was best offensive d-man, it makes more sense. From what I have seen he is not quite in the same class as Dougie Hamilton.

Are you talking Offensively or all around.


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