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Blackhawkswincup 05-23-2012 03:20 PM

Min-Chi
 
To Hawks
G Niklas Backstrom (1 yr at 6M cap hit)
Caps 2nd round pick (Acq in Zidlicky trade)

To Wild
Hawks 1st (I believe it is 18th at this point now with Kings to finals)


Hawks get 1 yr upgrade in net at cost of moving down in draft , Wild jump a pick from mid/late 2nd to mid 1st

Hawks can then move Craw or Emery and Wild can re-sign Harding to platoon with Hackett and save on cap

usernam* 05-23-2012 03:22 PM

No thanks.

Blackhawkswincup 05-23-2012 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burns4Norris (Post 50053663)
No thanks.

Ok ,, Just thought Harding/Hackett could be cheaper as effective 1-2 duo and that Wild could like jumping back into mid 1st

Jack de la Hoya 05-23-2012 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 50053577)
To Hawks
G Niklas Backstrom (1 yr at 6M cap hit)
Devils 2nd round pick in 2012 (Still to be determined its spot)

To Wild
Hawks 1st (I believe it is 18th at this point now with Kings to finals)


Hawks get 1 yr upgrade in net at cost of moving down in draft , Wild jump a pick from mid/late 2nd to mid 1st

Hawks can then move Craw or Emery and Wild can re-sign Harding to platoon with Hackett and save on cap

I think Backstrom would waive his NMC to go to Hawks since the Wild still look at least a year or two away from being playoff team IMO

I'm not sure the value is quite there.

Consider that Paul Gaustad garnered what turned out to be the 21st OA as a three-month rental. I don't see why a starting goaltender would return less than that for the full year.

First reaction--it would be closer without the 2nd going back to Chicago. :dunno:

EDIT: Why does Minnesota even need the cap space, or are we solely talking about owner greed here?

Dr Jan Itor 05-23-2012 03:25 PM

Hate to dump Backstrom like that, but I'd think long and hard about this.

usernam* 05-23-2012 03:25 PM

If that's all we can get for Backstrom, I'd rather keep him for one more year and let Hackett get better in the AHL. Harding has durability/injury concers, and I'm not comfortable throwing Hackett into a starting job for most of the season. It's not like we're strapped for cap space either, we don't need to dump his contract.

Blackhawkswincup 05-23-2012 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeh82 (Post 50053783)
I'm not sure the value is quite there.

Consider that Paul Gaustad garnered what turned out to be the 21st OA as a three-month rental. I don't see why a starting goaltender would return less than that for the full year.

First reaction--it would be closer without the 2nd going back to Chicago. :dunno:

EDIT: Why does Minnesota even need the cap space, or are we solely talking about owner greed here?

Why do Wild need a 6M #1 goalie when they have a solid 1A option in Harding and a good young goalie who can play 1B role

And Gaustad was traded at deadline ,, Prices are always inflated at deadline

As for the 2nd going Hawks way ,, Giving up 18th overall for a 1 yr goalie in 30's with hip injury history and 6M cap hit isn't fair value

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burns4Norris (Post 50053843)
If that's all we can get for Backstrom, I'd rather keep him for one more year and let Hackett get better in the AHL. Harding has durability/injury concers, and I'm not comfortable throwing Hackett into a starting job for most of the season. It's not like we're strapped for cap space either, we don't need to dump his contract.

Harding IMO could be solid for 40-45 games as 1A with Harding as 1B ,, I see no reason to keep Harding in AHL as he has shown his game is NHL ready

I just dont see Wild as playoff team next year and think this trade helps all involved

-Hawks get G upgrade
-Wild move an expensive non critical part of team and move a mid 2nd into a mid 1st round
-Backstrom moves on to a contender as he enters the twilight of his career

Minnesota 05-23-2012 03:33 PM

I'd think about it.

Jeffrey Lebowski 05-23-2012 03:35 PM

To Minnesota
Crawford, 18th overall, Holl/Lalonde

To Chicago
Backstrom, 2nd rounder

Minnesota gets a goalie who could split time with Harding and allow Hackett to stay in the AHL for another year or two, 18th overall, and a decent prospect.

Hawks get Backstrom for 1 year in an attempt to make a run at the cup, and a 2nd rounder.

Dr Jan Itor 05-23-2012 03:36 PM

Done.

usernam* 05-23-2012 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 50054183)
Why do Wild need a 6M #1 goalie when they have a solid 1A option in Harding and a good young goalie who can play 1B role

And Gaustad was traded at deadline ,, Prices are always inflated at deadline

As for the 2nd going Hawks way ,, Giving up 18th overall for a 1 yr goalie in 30's with hip injury history and 6M cap hit isn't fair value



Harding IMO could be solid for 40-45 games as 1A with Harding as 1B ,, I see no reason to keep Harding in AHL as he has shown his game is NHL ready

I just dont see Wild as playoff team next year and think this trade helps all involved

-Hawks get G upgrade
-Wild move an expensive non critical part of team and move a mid 2nd into a mid 1st round
-Backstrom moves on to a contender as he enters the twilight of his career

You keep bringing up price as a sticking point for why we should trade Backstrom, but you don't understand that we don't care. We don't need cap space this year.

And while Harding could be a viable option for starter when he's healthy, he really has problems staying healthy. If he got injured, throwing Hackett into the starting position every night, not only would that leave us with an inexperienced young player as a starting goalie, but our backup would be Kuemper.

We have absolutely no reason to trade Backstrom this year, and moving up 20 spots in a weak draft is not enticing enough.

usernam* 05-23-2012 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski (Post 50054303)
To Minnesota
Crawford, 18th overall, Holl/Lalonde

To Chicago
Backstrom, 2nd rounder

Minnesota gets a goalie who could split time with Harding and allow Hackett to stay in the AHL for another year or two, 18th overall, and a decent prospect.

Hawks get Backstrom for 1 year in an attempt to make a run at the cup, and a 2nd rounder.

This, I'd do.

Minnesota 05-23-2012 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski (Post 50054303)
To Minnesota
Crawford, 18th overall, Holl/Lalonde

To Chicago
Backstrom, 2nd rounder

Minnesota gets a goalie who could split time with Harding and allow Hackett to stay in the AHL for another year or two, 18th overall, and a decent prospect.

Hawks get Backstrom for 1 year in an attempt to make a run at the cup, and a 2nd rounder.

Yes, please. Are you sure that's not overpayment?

Fel 96 05-23-2012 03:43 PM

Where do I sign?

forthewild 05-23-2012 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski (Post 50054303)
To Minnesota
Crawford, 18th overall, Holl/Lalonde

To Chicago
Backstrom, 2nd rounder

Minnesota gets a goalie who could split time with Harding and allow Hackett to stay in the AHL for another year or two, 18th overall, and a decent prospect.

Hawks get Backstrom for 1 year in an attempt to make a run at the cup, and a 2nd rounder.

don't want a goalie coming back as we can fill the hole with endrass if Hackett isn't ready.

but i'll take holl

how about

Hawks 1st and Holl

BAckstrom and our 3rd

Pheasant the peasant 05-23-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burns4Norris (Post 50054427)
You keep bringing up price as a sticking point for why we should trade Backstrom, but you don't understand that we don't care. We don't need cap space this year.

...

This is true. Minny would pretty much be the lowest spending team if they moved Backstrom's 6Million for just a pick. They have no need to open up cap space, at all.

But if Backstrom is not going to be around much longer anyway, then it would make sense to see what he would bring back in a trade. Similar situation to Kipper in Calgary, a difference being that Backs is younger.

A mid 1st is probably a decent offer, but I can't imagine they would send a pick the other way too. Remove the 2nd from Minesota, and maybe toss a reclamation contract to the wild.

To Hawks
G Niklas Backstrom

To Wild
Hawks 1st (18 OA)
Michael Frolik (2 yrs, 2.3M)

bozak911 05-23-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski (Post 50054303)
To Minnesota
Crawford, 18th overall, Holl/Lalonde

To Chicago
Backstrom, 2nd rounder

Minnesota gets a goalie who could split time with Harding and allow Hackett to stay in the AHL for another year or two, 18th overall, and a decent prospect.

Hawks get Backstrom for 1 year in an attempt to make a run at the cup, and a 2nd rounder.

I'd do this trade. Equal value for both, although the Chicago prospect pool is a bit thin...

Harding/Crawford as a 1a/1b tandem with Bob Mason at the helm?

Yeah, I'd be fine with that. Edit; and I don't care for Crawford.

HockeySensible 05-23-2012 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bozak911 (Post 50055069)
I'd do this trade. Equal value for both, although the Chicago prospect pool is a bit thin...

Harding/Crawford as a 1a/1b tandem with Bob Mason at the helm?

Yeah, I'd be fine with that.

I'd do the Crawford/1st/Holl for Backstrom/pick trade.

As to the bolded.. What?

Jeffrey Lebowski 05-23-2012 03:56 PM

It might be a bit of an overpayment, but IMO the Hawks can't go into next year with Crawford/Emery as our goalies.

Crawford had a bad year, so Minnesota is gambling that he can either do better playing in less games and as a safety net for Harding or that he'll rebound and return to how he looked in 10-11 season.

Lalonde has a lot of promise and talent, but he also kind of took a step back this past year in Rockford. He's blazing fast, good passing and a good offensive-minded player... but his point totals took a hit last year. He might need a change of scenery.

Holl is another puck-moving type defenseman who still needs more time. Could develop into a solid NHLer, but with Leddy and Clendening in front of him as PMD, he might not get a chance with us at all.

The 18th overall swap for Minny's 2nd rounder is a hit for us, but in the end we pay to get a much better goalie and for you to take Crawford's contract for the next couple years in hopes that the Hawks can re-sign Backstrom. Holl or Lalonde is just a bit of a sweetener as there's not a huge reason for Minnesota to do it otherwise.

Jarick 05-23-2012 03:56 PM

I would probably do Backstrom+2nd for 1st+4th or something like that. I'd want a second pick, even if it's mid or lower.

digdug41982 05-23-2012 04:00 PM

Crawford would have to be part of it or moved before the trade. Ideally Emery as well, then we can just start from scratch. The 6M cap hit is a lot though. It would be hard to fix other major problems with the team after bringing it on.

TorstenFrings 05-23-2012 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forthewild (Post 50054779)
don't want a goalie coming back as we can fill the hole with endrass if Hackett isn't ready.

but i'll take holl

how about

Hawks 1st and Holl

BAckstrom and our 3rd

Please, do recall Endras, he is the light of my life and I hardly ever get to see him play outside of Team Germany duty.

Pheasant the peasant 05-23-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski (Post 50055297)
It might be a bit of an overpayment, but IMO the Hawks can't go into next year with Crawford/Emery as our goalies.

Crawford had a bad year, so Minnesota is gambling that he can either do better playing in less games and as a safety net for Harding or that he'll rebound and return to how he looked in 10-11 season.

Lalonde has a lot of promise and talent, but he also kind of took a step back this past year in Rockford. He's blazing fast, good passing and a good offensive-minded player... but his point totals took a hit last year. He might need a change of scenery.

Holl is another puck-moving type defenseman who still needs more time. Could develop into a solid NHLer, but with Leddy and Clendening in front of him as PMD, he might not get a chance with us at all.

The 18th overall swap for Minny's 2nd rounder is a hit for us, but in the end we pay to get a much better goalie and for you to take Crawford's contract for the next couple years in hopes that the Hawks can re-sign Backstrom. Holl or Lalonde is just a bit of a sweetener as there's not a huge reason for Minnesota to do it otherwise.

I'd say thats too much to give up. It's not like Chicago has lots of prospects coming up the pipeline. Leddy doesn't make every other young prospect expendable. There is no D prospect that is a sure thing, at the moment. Thats including Olsen and Vishnevskiy.

I can't imagine too many Hawks fans will be OK giving up Lalonde and this years 1st. Holl, maybe. Isn't he a Minesota boy?

bozak911 05-23-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HossTheBoss (Post 50055161)
I'd do the Crawford/1st/Holl for Backstrom/pick trade.

As to the bolded.. What?

I've probably been to about the same number of IceHogs games as Wild games. In-laws have season tickets and the still refuse to call it the BMO Harris Bank Center...

I don't have a very high opinion of the IceHogs roster and Saad was about the only Junior player not eligible for the AHL last season.

:laugh:

Hey, last season the Aeros sucked as all of our good prospects were not A eligible...

grN1g 05-23-2012 04:26 PM

most fans here are going to agree this is probably a good deal for both teams, but i think GMCF has alot of respect for players like backstrom and wouldn't dump him in a trade like that. UNLESS of course hes what stands in your way of signing the better free agents this summer.

gotta look at that kind of stuff from a players perspective, probably doesn't look good to dump our more legit goalie who can be very good for long stretches for cap space. i dont think our captain and certain other players would be very happy with that, the Schultz trade already caused some shocks within the locker room.


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