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kahlon66 05-23-2012 03:24 PM

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I was just wondering at the time that Craig Patrick was let go, who else was in consideration for GM of the Penguins. This is no way a bash Shero tread just wanted to know who else was in the running at the time and if they are GM's or assistant GM's in the NHL today, thanks in advance

Darth Vitale 05-23-2012 03:27 PM

I doubt anyone here knows the answer to that question. The results of GM interviews and the like are rarely aired in public or to the media, unless the GM is actually selected. There probably isn't much info but in any case Shero is a very good GM and as a fan I'd be pissed to see him cut loose. He has made some mistakes but all GMs do. Christ look at some of the things Holmgren and Sather did before they put together this year's teams. People here would've lost their minds if Shero had done some of the same things.

As it happened his worst mistake so far is overpaying Martin and thinking he'd be strong enough to play in our division / system. Less a bad player than a bad fit. If that's his worst mistake, in light of all the good things he's done, I hope he sticks around for a long time.

His other goofs are mostly related to last minute, small potatoes trades / signings, which every GM has to make some of those every year.

kahlon66 05-23-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 50053915)
I doubt anyone here knows the answer to that question. The results of GM interviews and the like are rarely aired in public or to the media, unless the GM is actually selected. There probably isn't much info but in any case Shero is a very good GM and as a fan I'd be pissed to see him cut loose. He has made some mistakes but all GMs do. Christ look at some of the things Holmgren and Sather did before they put together this year's teams. People here would've lost their minds if Shero had done some of the same things.


at that time there must have been some chatter about who they interviewed, I think they interviewed Pierre Mcguire for assistant gm if im not mistaken

kahlon66 05-23-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 50053915)
I doubt anyone here knows the answer to that question. The results of GM interviews and the like are rarely aired in public or to the media, unless the GM is actually selected. There probably isn't much info but in any case Shero is a very good GM and as a fan I'd be pissed to see him cut loose. He has made some mistakes but all GMs do. Christ look at some of the things Holmgren and Sather did before they put together this year's teams. People here would've lost their minds if Shero had done some of the same things.

As it happened his worst mistake so far is overpaying Martin and thinking he'd be strong enough to play in our division / system. Less a bad player than a bad fit. If that's his worst mistake, in light of all the good things he's done, I hope he sticks around for a long time.

His other goofs are mostly related to last minute, small potatoes trades / signings, which every GM has to make some of those every year.


Even at that time he tried to sign Dan Hamhuis and tried to sign Volchenkov but maybe felt that Martin was a better deal

Darth Vitale 05-23-2012 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by kahlon66 (Post 50054197)
Even at that time he tried to sign Dan Hamhuis and tried to sign Volchenkov but maybe felt that Martin was a better deal

I think Hamhuis was his first choice. Would've been better than Martin but not the kind of player to solve the problems we had this playoff. Volchy would've been great but the guy is beat to hell so you can't rely on 82 games from him anymore. But yah, Martin and Michalek are "option B" versions of Hamhuis and Volchenkov, respectively.

Ziggyjoe21 05-23-2012 03:54 PM

I remember they and Boston interviewed both Shero and Chiarelli (current Bruins GM). IIRC, Shero originally wanted to be Bruins' GM, however, the Pens offered him more power within the organization so he chose the Pens instead.

Looks like it worked out for both teams thus far.

Darth Vitale 05-23-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ziggyjoe21 (Post 50055239)
I remember they and Boston interviewed both Shero and Chiarelli (current Bruins GM). IIRC, Shero originally wanted to be Bruins' GM, however, the Pens offered him more power within the organization so he chose the Pens instead.

Looks like it worked out for both teams thus far.

Interesting. Did you get that from TSN or something? Certainly not the American sports media.

UnderratedBrooks44 05-23-2012 04:02 PM

They definitely interviewed Chiarelli, as well as one other I can't recall. I want to say it was someone that was also hired that year but not sure. It was in the PG I recall seeing pics of them.

Darth Vitale 05-23-2012 04:19 PM

I sit corrected. Sorry OP. Apparently there was more transparency in the process than I remember.

Jacob 05-23-2012 04:40 PM

Shero and Chiarelli were considered the best GM "prospects" so to speak at the time. I think it was always going to be one of the two.

MrBurghundy 05-23-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob (Post 50057149)
Shero and Chiarelli were considered the best GM "prospects" so to speak at the time. I think it was always going to be one of the two.

It appears we couldn't have gone wrong with either choice really.

KaylaJ 05-23-2012 04:51 PM

Penguins Bid GM Patrick Adieu

After firing CP:

"Candidates for the job could include four assistant general managers -- Peter Chiarelli (Ottawa), Jim Nill (Detroit), Steve Tambellini (Vancouver) and Ray Shero (Nashville) -- scouts Dean Lombardi (Philadelphia) and John Weisbrod (Dallas) and former NHL player Brent Sutter, coach and general manager of the Red Deer Rebels in the Western Hockey League.

Dave Taylor and Pat Quinn, who have experience as NHL general managers but became unemployed this week, could turn up in the mix, too."


Shero Atop Penguins' GM Wish List

Where Shero almost signs with Boston, but talks break off

Jacob 05-23-2012 05:33 PM

Wonder why Jim Nill still can't find a GM gig somewhere around the league. Must be that molester mustache.

eXile59 05-23-2012 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by kahlon66 (Post 50054113)
at that time there must have been some chatter about who they interviewed, I think they interviewed Pierre Mcguire for assistant gm if im not mistaken

LOL no. We aren't the Habs so we don't need to take second rate GM's because they speak a different language. He was interviewed for anything as far as I know.

kahlon66 05-23-2012 10:19 PM

Thanks guys, I appreciate all the info

kahlon66 05-23-2012 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 50056299)
I sit corrected. Sorry OP. Apparently there was more transparency in the process than I remember.



not a problem Chancellor Vitale, you always try to help, thanks bud

Ziggyjoe21 05-23-2012 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 50055415)
Interesting. Did you get that from TSN or something? Certainly not the American sports media.

I remember reading it on here :laugh:

Burgs 05-24-2012 12:06 AM

Chiarelli was the other guy that immediately came to mind. One of Boston's top choices rejected them because the Bruins bosses (it was either Sinden or Jacobs) wanted daily morning updates on every little thing, but I don't remember whether that was Shero.

Nill has been mentioned in every GM search for about 10 years but I don't think he's leaving the Wings. They likely pay him as much as he could make as a full GM somewhere else, and he's won four Cups there.

I remember there was also former Rangers GM Neil Smith, an unspecified advisor to Patrick at the time, who name-dropped himself in the Pittsburgh media. However the Pens conducted a thorough interviewing process for a change, and went with Shero. Smith instead signed with the Isles - and was replaced with Snow only six weeks later when he refused to become Wang's GM puppet.

DoctrSteveBrule 05-24-2012 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by eXile59 (Post 50061927)
LOL no. We aren't the Habs so we don't need to take second rate GM's because they speak a different language. He was interviewed for anything as far as I know.

yeah, and that wasn't the age of twitter and social media.

SomeDude 05-24-2012 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by eXile59 (Post 50061927)
LOL no. We aren't the Habs so we don't need to take second rate GM's because they speak a different language. He was interviewed for anything as far as I know.

He was interviewed for something, I want to say a coaching position. I think it was more because he's Shero's buddy than he actually had a chance.

Le Magnifique 66 05-24-2012 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob (Post 50058881)
Wonder why Jim Nill still can't find a GM gig somewhere around the league. Must be that molester mustache.

He was asked by the Habs but he is saying there is an illness in his family and he doesn't want to move until. I believe it's his wife. + he will most probably take over in Detroit one day

UnderratedBrooks44 05-24-2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KaylaJ (Post 50057541)
Penguins Bid GM Patrick Adieu

After firing CP:

"Candidates for the job could include four assistant general managers -- Peter Chiarelli (Ottawa), Jim Nill (Detroit), Steve Tambellini (Vancouver) and Ray Shero (Nashville) -- scouts Dean Lombardi (Philadelphia) and John Weisbrod (Dallas) and former NHL player Brent Sutter, coach and general manager of the Red Deer Rebels in the Western Hockey League.

Dave Taylor and Pat Quinn, who have experience as NHL general managers but became unemployed this week, could turn up in the mix, too."


Shero Atop Penguins' GM Wish List

Where Shero almost signs with Boston, but talks break off

Great find, I just couldn't place Jim Nill's name. I actually thought that's who'd they go with FWTW.

BlindWillyMcHurt 05-24-2012 11:00 AM

You guys are forgetting Pierre McGuire.

He's a "serious candidate" for every single solitary GM position that has opened up for the last ten years or so.



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Originally Posted by kahlon66 (Post 50054113)
at that time there must have been some chatter about who they interviewed, I think they interviewed Pierre Mcguire for assistant gm if im not mistaken

HA! My mistake.

KaylaJ 05-24-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderratedBrooks44 (Post 50093887)
Great find, I just couldn't place Jim Nill's name. I actually thought that's who'd they go with FWTW.

Gotta give credit to ZiggyJoe. Just putting in Patrick & Shero probably would've brought up gobs of basic Penguins history pages, but with Chiarelli I found those two links on the first two pages.


And it seems like people were kinda upset that Nill didn't get the job back then. But I think Nill had/has been in Detroit so long, he's content with where he is at.

KIRK 05-24-2012 09:36 PM

I seem to recall Chuck Fletcher being among the top 3-4 candidates. I read somewhere a reference to Shero not having a huge ego and then a comment about how he hired Fletcher as assistant GM, who also was a serious candidate for the job.

As for Pierre McGuire, if memory serves, he was Shero's first choice for assistant GM (he and Pierre are big buddies), but McGuire wasn't interested. McGuire has been looking for that GM job. Shero tried to sell him on being an assistant as a stepping stone, Pierre said 'no thanks', and Shero then hired Fletcher.


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