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jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 02:46 PM

Milan lucic
 
Lucic for a Elite player in return. What does it take and who is it? Because people say they are very high on Lucic and would love to have them on there team.

Minimalist* 05-26-2012 02:52 PM

Lucic is the type of player that isn't traded. You just don't let guys like him go.

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist (Post 50184051)
Lucic is the type of player that isn't traded. You just don't let guys like him go.

Do you watch the Bruins? Is he a top power forward. Yes when he plays his style hes a game changer. But hes like Krejci he takes to many games off. If the return is right I personally wouldnt mind trading him. Not saying the Bruins would trade him. But We need powerplay help and have plenty of players that can handle themselfs on our team.

Gabotrick 05-26-2012 03:26 PM

Gaborik?

CDJ 05-26-2012 03:27 PM

You really don't like him, do you?

You said in a previous thread that he has done nothing, yet you want an elite player for him? Makes sense....

lakai17 05-26-2012 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist (Post 50184051)
Lucic is the type of player that isn't traded. You just don't let guys like him go.

James Neal was traded. Cam Neely was traded. Mark Messier was traded. Mike Peca was traded. Ilya Kovalchuk was traded. The Golden Brett was traded. Pavel Bure was traded.

QMJHLfollower 05-26-2012 03:31 PM

Kessel for Lucic + Caron + Boychuk.

IrishPaulie 05-26-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50184201)
Do you watch the Bruins? Is he a top power forward. Yes when he plays his style hes a game changer. But hes like Krejci he takes to many games off. If the return is right I personally wouldnt mind trading him. Not saying the Bruins would trade him. But We need powerplay help and have plenty of players that can handle themselfs on our team.

There's maybe only a handful of players that don't go through cold stretches in the league.

There's also only a handful of 30-30 power forwards. We have one of the best in the league. There's no need to trade Lucic.

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CDJ (Post 50185097)
You really don't like him, do you?

You said in a previous thread that he has done nothing, yet you want an elite player for him? Makes sense....

People are HIGH on Lucic so i when i wanted to trade Lucic for NASH that got shot down. Is Nash Elite? That why i asked for Elite talent in return.

lakai17 05-26-2012 03:33 PM

I would like to see Lucic play with Chris Stewart.

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabotrick (Post 50185071)
Gaborik?

Gaborik is interesting but trading Lucic to NY is a hard one.

Buckets and Gloves 05-26-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by QMJHLfollower (Post 50185255)
Kessel for Lucic + Caron + Boychuk.

:laugh:

Wouldn't do Kessel for Lucic 1 for 1 yet alone adding all the rest.

Rather face a creampuff like Kessel 6 times a year, than a monster like Lucic

RyanCallahan24* 05-26-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50183855)
Lucic for a Elite player in return. What does it take and who is it? Because people say they are very high on Lucic and would love to have them on there team.

I'll give you Gaborik for Lucic. Or maybe Gaborik+ for Seguin? :naughty:

QMJHLfollower 05-26-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Howie (Post 50185395)
:laugh:

Wouldn't do Kessel for Lucic 1 for 1 yet alone adding all the rest.

Rather face a creampuff like Kessel 6 times a year, than a monster like Lucic

You may not do the deal, but don't put :laugh:.

Kessel is a PPG forward playing with a 3rd line center and on a bad team. One of the best right winger in the game.

RyanCallahan24* 05-26-2012 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Howie (Post 50185395)
:laugh:

Wouldn't do Kessel for Lucic 1 for 1 yet alone adding all the rest.

Rather face a creampuff like Kessel 6 times a year, than a monster like Lucic

Then maybe Gaborik+ for Kessel :D:sarcasm:?

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RyanCallahan24 (Post 50185445)
I'll give you Gaborik for Lucic. Or maybe Gaborik+ for Seguin? :naughty:

I think overall Seguin will turn out to be a better player then Gaborik. Seguin was also a plus 34 this year so for a two way forward hes already better then Gaborik.

RyanCallahan24* 05-26-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Howie (Post 50185395)
:laugh:

Wouldn't do Kessel for Lucic 1 for 1 yet alone adding all the rest.

Rather face a creampuff like Kessel 6 times a year, than a monster like Lucic

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50185513)
I think overall Seguin will turn out to be a better player then Gaborik. Seguin was also a plus 34 this year so for a two way forward hes already better then Gaborik.



Hence the + part. Gaborik + 1st + prospect for Seguin. Value is there skill vise at least. I dunno if any team would do it though, especially when you take it into consideration that we're talking a trade between bruins and rangers.

Buckets and Gloves 05-26-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by QMJHLfollower (Post 50185463)
You may not do the deal, but don't put :laugh:.

Kessel is a PPG forward playing with a 3rd line center and on a bad team. One of the best right winger in the game.

Oh he is good... but...

- Boston doesn't want him back
- I am sure Kessel doesn't want to come back to Boston
- As mentioned, rather play Kessel 6 times a year versus Lucic (how many points does Kessel have against Boston since the trade?... 18 games or so and I think he may have 7 or 8 points)

It's just not a good fit to be honest.

QMJHLfollower 05-26-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Uncle Howie (Post 50185601)
Oh he is good... but...

- Boston doesn't want him back
- I am sure Kessel doesn't want to come back to Boston
- As mentioned, rather play Kessel 6 times a year versus Lucic (how many points does Kessel have against Boston since the trade?... 18 games or so and I think he may have 7 or 8 points)

It's just not a good fit to be honest.

I don't agree with 'Boston doesn't want him back', but for the rest fair enough.

TooMuchMan 05-26-2012 03:47 PM

Absolutely crazy to trade Lucic. Yes he has his nights off. Yes he's probably reached (or come close to reaching) his scoring upside. Yes he can play undisciplined and uninspired....

... but as it's been mentioned, there are only a handful of pure power forwards with his offense in the game today and the extra dimension he brings with his toughness and pugilistic prowess can't be overlooked... if he was available, teams would be bending over backwards to overpay for him. Even then, he's just too essential to the B's gameplan and identity to move out for anything short of a massive overpayment.

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 03:47 PM

Kessel for Gaborik is pretty much a wash there very close to the same player. They both score 40 goals But Kessel makes 5.4 mil a year and Gaborik makes 7.5 so why would Toronto do that deal.

Gabotrick 05-26-2012 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50185513)
I think overall Seguin will turn out to be a better player then Gaborik. Seguin was also a plus 34 this year so for a two way forward hes already better then Gaborik.

I could see gaborik stepan and a prospect not named kreider for seguin and lucid along with a first

CDJ 05-26-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50185287)
People are HIGH on Lucic so i when i wanted to trade Lucic for NASH that got shot down. Is Nash Elite? That why i asked for Elite talent in return.

I personally would do Lucic for Nash straight up.

However, the only way I deal him is severe overpayment

jmeehan1985 05-26-2012 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabotrick (Post 50185735)
I could see gaborik stepan and a prospect not named kreider for seguin and lucid along with a first

No way to much from Boston. Seguin maybe but not both. Boston is really high on Seguin just like Hamilton.

TooMuchMan 05-26-2012 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50185513)
I think overall Seguin will turn out to be a better player then Gaborik. Seguin was also a plus 34 this year so for a two way forward hes already better then Gaborik.

Plus-minus is an incredibly misleading statistic. Gaborik has his d-zone flaws and I like the way Seguin's developing under Bergeron's wing in this regard, but I wouldn't argue that Seguin's so obviously superior to Gabby defensively.

Seguin may develop into a superior player - but it's a little early to be certain. Gaborik has averaged 36+ goals and 73+ points per 82 games in his career - impressive numbers to say the very least.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabotrick (Post 50185735)
I could see gaborik stepan and a prospect not named kreider for seguin and lucid along with a first

Sorry, but this is not even close to fair value... and both Seguin and Lucic are 'essentially' untouchable (barring massive overpayments they'll stay in Black and Gold sweaters) along with Bergeron, Chara and Hamilton.


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