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jmeehan1985 05-27-2012 11:39 AM

Boston/ducks
 
Could Boston pull off one of Perry or Ryan Trade. Would it cost as much as a Nash trade?

CREW99AW 05-27-2012 11:43 AM

Wouldn't Anaheim consider Perry and Ryan star players,core players?

Why would they come any cheaper then Nash?An argument can be made that Ryan's salary,$2m-$2.8m less then Nash's,would bring a better return because it's more affordable.More teams would be in the mix.

Manked 05-27-2012 11:43 AM

I'd imagine so.

You either are getting a 50 goal scorer (something Nash has never done) or a young PWF locked up long term.

bruinswincup 05-27-2012 12:01 PM

Krejci and a 2nd for Ryan.

Vipers31 05-27-2012 12:05 PM

They are core players, don't need to be moved and don't have NTCs to rule out any destinations if they were to be moved, increasing the market by a lot. So, I think if you're looking at targets because Nash costs too much, those two wouldn't come much cheaper, to say the least. There have been a ton of Krejci+ for Ryan proposals, though, with most agreeing with the concept, although the exact plus in there never really seemed to get sorted out. At this point, however, it would seem that the Ducks are looking for a Krejci-type player to play with Ryan instead of trading the latter for one, which I personally agree with.

Dellstrom 05-27-2012 12:07 PM

Ryan, maybe. Perry would cost more than Nash. No reason for them to trade him.

Kaen 05-27-2012 12:08 PM

I would think they would both be more expensive then Nash. Cheaper contracts, aren't asking to be moved, and while I'd say Nash and Ryan are fairly close in terms of play, Perry is a better player.

jmeehan1985 05-27-2012 12:10 PM

If you give Nash Ryan and Getzlaf I think he could hit 50 goals. So I think Perry would get you a similar return.

Gliff 05-27-2012 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bruinswincup (Post 50210843)
Krejci and a 2nd for Ryan.

No thanks. Would want Krejci to play with Bobby.

Not trading Perry for anything. The guy is the leader of this team. Works harder then anyone. Imagine putting a price on Bergeron if Bergeron was better and never missed a game and he was you only center. That is how I feel about Perry.

Perrys defensive game is massively underrated also. The guy is great on the PK.

airforceones25 05-27-2012 01:56 PM

No... what you want to pay and the reality will be vastly different.

Gibsons Finest 05-27-2012 04:26 PM

Krejci+Hamilton+1st for Ryan. Very steep, I know, but that's the point.

Dr Quincy 05-27-2012 04:37 PM

Hi can I get your young star players without giving up my young star players?

Answer: no

nmbr_24 05-27-2012 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmeehan1985 (Post 50210257)
Could Boston pull off one of Perry or Ryan Trade. Would it cost as much as a Nash trade?

Sure, the Bruins could get both if they really wanted.

Of course they would be giving up Seguin, Hamilton, Lucic, Bergeron, Marchand, Rask.

Exit Dose 05-27-2012 05:08 PM

If Perry was walking he would be cheaper than Nash, in a sense, but until he says he's going to walk, the price is going to be significantly more than Nash.

Duck Off 05-27-2012 05:12 PM

Ducks 1st this year and next year for Krejci?

bruinswincup 05-27-2012 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVPeyton (Post 50217835)
Krejci+Hamilton+1st for Ryan. Very steep, I know, but that's the point.

I wouldn't do Hamilton for Ryan.

Dellstrom 05-27-2012 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVPeyton (Post 50217835)
Krejci+Hamilton+1st for Ryan. Very steep, I know, but that's the point.

Absolutely. All that for a 30-35 goal scorer.

And if you say he'd be better in Boston, he's been centered by Getzlaf with Perry on his wing. If anything, he'd be worse. Doesn't even make sense to do Hamilton for Ryan one-on-one for Boston.

DuckJet 05-27-2012 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucic (Post 50219781)
Absolutely. All that for a 30-35 goal scorer.

And if you say he'd be better in Boston, he's been centered by Getzlaf with Perry on his wing.

He played like 20 games on their line all year. Try again.

Dellstrom 05-27-2012 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckJet (Post 50219835)
He played like 20 games on their line all year. Try again.

What about the other 310 games?

Bobby Ryan stats-
57(rookie, 64 games)
54
71
57

David Krejci-
27(rookie, 56 games)
73
52
62
62

I know Ryan is younger,(by a year,) but honestly, there isn't even a huge difference between Krejci and Ryan. Then you want to add Hamilton and a first.


(Don't get me wrong, Krejci for Ryan would be an absolute robbery for Boston, but your offer was crazy.)

Gibsons Finest 05-27-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucic (Post 50219859)
What about the other 310 games?

Ryan's been sporadically moved off of that line all the time, with it rarely affecting production. Ryan's also rarely seen the first unit PP. A lot of the time Ryan gets moved back to the top line because there's no one else to play with Perry and Getzlaf, and it affects them.

The PP thing is the biggest. He's scored 30 every year and has never been on his team's first powerplay unit, that's incredibly impressive. Especially when you consider who the second unit usually consists of.

Also, that might've been too steep, but Krejci+Hamilton for sure. Ducks have little motivation to do it otherwise.

Vipers31 05-27-2012 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucic (Post 50219781)
And if you say he'd be better in Boston, he's been centered by Getzlaf with Perry on his wing.

It depends what you understand as "better". Yes, he has spent more time with those two than with any other single combination, but not nearly all of it. Maybe he would not top his even-strength totals of last year (4th in the league) that he put up primarily playing with the two, but overall, he should indeed be better. On a team like Boston, he'd be the skilled go-to winger. Getzlaf and Perry play their game, and they have their great chemistry, and while Ryan with them can - at times - make for one of the best lines around, Ryan isn't in a position to dictate the play on that line to the degree it would benefit him. It's also why he's been off that line for considerable time before, especially this year, and most likely will remain on a different one going forward. And, finally getting time on the first powerplay will help his numbers inevitably, if that was in Anaheim, after all, the day Selanne (who's still one of the very best powerplay players in the game) retires, or elsewhere.

Obviously, that asking price was, well, utopian, and certainly never expected a positive answer, but that's kind of the point. Especially as Getzlaf and Perry have no contracts beyond next summer, it would be stupid to trade a guy like Ryan that is signed for much longer. I really don't see him being available.

Sojourn 05-27-2012 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MVPeyton (Post 50217835)
Krejci+Hamilton+1st for Ryan. Very steep, I know, but that's the point.

That's not steep. That's a gross overpayment. The Bruins get bent over.

DuckJet 05-27-2012 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duckstudd269 (Post 50219029)
Ducks 1st this year and next year for Krejci?

Is no one going to touch how absurd this is?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 50220663)
That's not steep. That's a gross overpayment. The Bruins get bent over.

Gotta agree here. I don't want to lose Ryan either. He's very valuable, but that package is unfair.

Exit Dose 05-27-2012 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucic (Post 50219781)
Absolutely. All that for a 30-35 goal scorer.

And if you say he'd be better in Boston, he's been centered by Getzlaf with Perry on his wing. If anything, he'd be worse. Doesn't even make sense to do Hamilton for Ryan one-on-one for Boston.

He just had 5 goals and 2 assists in 8 games with USA. He wasn't playing with those guys, then. As others pointed out, he also doesn't spend most of his time with those guys either. The RPG line was never a season-long combo.

Gibsons Finest 05-27-2012 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 50220663)
That's not steep. That's a gross overpayment. The Bruins get bent over.

I rethought it and dropped the first, but when you're dealing with a 25 year old who has 4 30 goal seasons under his belt, "gross overpayment" is the return you're gonna need.


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