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jacK 05-30-2012 10:14 PM

2012-13 Roster/FA Discussion & Cap Tracker
 
[handy roster building/cap calculating tool from capgeek]
[list of unrestricted free agents (UFAs) from capgeek: here]
[list of restricted free agents (RFAs) from capgeek: here]


Detroit Red Wings
#PlayerPosition2012-2013 Cap Hit2013-2014 Cap HitContract Length
 Forward    
13Pavel DatsyukC/LW$6,700,000$6,700,000thru 2013-14
40Henrik ZetterbergC/LW$6,083,333$6,083,333thru 2020-21
93Johan FranzenRW/LW$3,954,545$3,954,545thru 2019-20
51Valtteri FilppulaC/LW$3,000,000UFAthru 2012-13
37Mikael SamuelssonRW$3,000,000$3,000,000thru 2013-14
11Danny ClearyRW/LW$2,800,000UFAthru 2012-13
43Darren HelmC$2,125,000$2,125,000thru 2015-16
44Todd BertuzziRW/LW$2,075,000$2,075,000thru 2013-14
22Jordin TootooRW$1,900,000$1,900,000thru 2014-15
8Justin AbdelkaderLW/C$1,800,000$1,800,000thru 2015-16
24Damien BrunnerRW/LW$1,350,000UFAthru 2012-13
17Patrick EavesRW$1,200,000$1,200,000thru 2013-14
14Gustav NyquistLW$875,000RFAthru 2012-13
63Joakim AnderssonC$875,000RFAthru 2012-13
20Drew MillerLW/RW$825,000UFAthru 2012-13
25Cory EmmertonC$533,333$533,333thru 2013-14
 Defense    
55Niklas KronwallD$4,750,000$4,750,000thru 2018-19
27Kyle QuinceyD$3,775,000$3,775,000thru 2013-14
52Jonathan EricssonD$3,250,000$3,250,000thru 2013-14
18Ian WhiteD$2,875,000UFAthru 2012-13
28Carlo ColaiacovoD$2,500,000$2,500,000thru 2013-14
65Danny DekeyserD$1,350,000$1,350,000thru 2013-14
4Jakub KindlD$883,333RFAthru 2012-13
2Brendan SmithD$875,000RFAthru 2012-13
23Brian LashoffD$523,888$725,000thru 2015-16
 Goalie    
35Jimmy HowardG$2,250,000$5,300,000thru 2018-19
50Jonas GustavssonG$1,500,000$1,500,000thru 2013-14
      
 Projected Total: $61,429,544$52,521,211 
 Salary Cap: $70,200,000$64,300,000 
 Cap Space: $8,770,456$11,787,789 
Notes:
Green = 35+ years old at contract signing; only way[s] to relieve cap hit is LTIR, claimed on waivers, or traded

** [5/31] (D) Nick Lidstrom announces retirement (Lidstrom removed from Red Wings Free Agent list)
** [6/10] (D) Brad Stuart traded to San Jose for Andrew Murray and a conditional pick (Stuart removed from Red Wings Free Agent list)
** [6/19] (C) Darren Helm re-signed for 4 years @ $2,125,000 per
** [6/28] Cap Ceiling officially set at $70,200,000
** [7/1] (G) Jonas Gustavsson signed for 2 years @ $1,500,000 per
** [7/1] (RW) Mikael Samuelsson signed for 2 years @ $3,000,000 per
** [7/1] (RW) Jordin Tootoo signed for 3 years @ $1,900,000 per
** [7/2] (LW/RW) Jiri Hudler signs w/ Calgary for 4 years @ $4,000,000 per (Hudler removed from Red Wings Free Agent list)
** [7/18] (D) Kyle Quincey re-signed for 2 years @ $3,775,000 per
** [9/14] (LW/C) Justin Abdelkader re-signed for 4 years @ $1,800,000 per
** [9/14] (D) Carlo Colaiacovo signed for 2 years @ $2,500,000 per
** [1/7] (RW/LW) Tomas Holmstrom announces retirement (Holmstrom removed from Red Wings Free Agent list)
** [2/25] (D) Brian Lashoff re-signed for 3 years @ $725,000 per
** [3/29] (D) Danny Dekeyser signed for 2 years @ $1,350,000 per
** [4/16] (G) Jimmy Howard re-signed for 6 years @ $5,300,000 per

Vladdy84 05-30-2012 10:33 PM

Can we trade our 4th line + cash for the Kings' 4th line?

joe89 05-30-2012 10:38 PM

Posted this in the other thread. Gives an idea/gets it started.

FORWARDS
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Zach Parise ($6.500m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.200m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.866m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($7.000m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,858,295; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $441,705

Harnessed in Slums 05-30-2012 10:40 PM

I posted this in another thread predicated on Nick deciding to retire.

Sign Helmer to a new deal.
Say Peace Out to our UFA
I can take or leave Justin Abdelkader

Sign Suter, Parise and Schultz

This next year is a transition year with major changes along with the addition of Gustav Nyquist and Brendan Smith so it could take some time to develop team chemistry. Next year when Jurco and Jarnkrok join the lineup the rebuild is complete.

Then it's World Domination. Again. :yo:

ARCTICCAT24 05-30-2012 10:46 PM

Dump Cleary for Prust! Another Dallas Drake is what this team needs. Badly.

WingedWheel1987 05-30-2012 10:58 PM

Really hope Cleary, Hudler, Homer and Abdelkader are gone.

Bring in Parise, Suter and some grit.

jaster 05-30-2012 11:23 PM

If Parise and Suter make it to FA, the Wings have to get both. With a conservative cap increase....

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($0.900m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.000m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,692,045; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,307,955

Wouldn't mind shipping off Abdelkader and Quincey, but I don't see either happening.

aar000n 05-30-2012 11:36 PM

We really need a legit backup goalie.

mukluks 05-30-2012 11:41 PM

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
David Jones ($4.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($5.500m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Darren Helm ($2.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Justin Abdelkader ($0.866m) / Zenon Konopka ($0.900m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Jan Mursak ($0.550m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Ryan Suter ($8.500m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.250m)
Matt Carkner ($0.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($0.750m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $68,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,441,629; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,858,371

This is without Parise. Bigger, tougher, faster line up and better puck possession as well (on paper).

Cleary was sacrificed to make it happen.

sully61 05-30-2012 11:55 PM

Zach Parise ($7.500m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Alexander Semin ($6.200m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Chris Kelly ($2.500m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Darren Helm ($2.500m) / Drew Miller ($0.838m)
Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.250m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($1.300m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Justin Shultz ($1.175m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Josh Harding ($1.500m)

Just one trade for Shattenkirk, possible if we want to give up some pieces, preferably other than Jarnkrok, Smith, Nyquist, and Jurco.

echlfreak 05-31-2012 12:10 AM

What if Parise and Suter go to MINN or NYR...whats plan B?


FORWARDS
Shane Doan ($3.700m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Dustin Penner ($3.500m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Niklas Hagman ($1.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Dennis Wideman ($4.500m)
Ian White ($2.875m) / Jason Garrison ($1.700m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Kyle Quincey ($2.700m)
Brendan Smith ($0.875m) / Jakub Kindl ($0.883m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.050m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,858,712; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $1,441,288

joe89 05-31-2012 12:44 AM

^ That would just be a painful season. Five puckmoving D's and Ericsson on the back end. Still relying on Franzen to score our goals. I would be interested in Doan as a third or fourth option and that's it.

If we can't get quality, we might aswell bring in guys from the farm. I'd rather watch Tatar and Mursak than Penner and Hagman.. Rather watch Smith than Garrison. And so on..

SoupNazi 05-31-2012 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joe89 (Post 50344003)
^ That would just be a painful season. Five puckmoving D's and Ericsson on the back end. Still relying on Franzen to score our goals. I would be interested in Doan as a third or fourth option and that's it.

If we can't get quality, we might aswell bring in guys from the farm. I'd rather watch Tatar and Mursak than Penner and Hagman.. Rather watch Smith than Garrison. And so on..

Except that Doan will never, ever leave Phoenix as long as they stay there.

Henkka 05-31-2012 07:06 AM

I expect all the RFA's re-sign and UFA's walk/retire. Then, we have this team:

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
My Custom Lineup

FORWARDS
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m)
Danny Cleary ($2.800m) / Darren Helm ($1.800m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) / Justin Abdelkader ($1.500m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)

Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) / Jan Mursak ($0.550m)

DEFENSEMEN
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.125m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Jakub Kindl ($0.883m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)

Doug Janik ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $51,907,045; BONUSES: $247,500
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $17,092,955


We have a team that could play in NHL, but with these contracts we are not reaching the cap floor. So maybe some reinforcements will arrive. :)

17 million cap space gives you a chance to replace three under 1 million contracts with 6-7 million contracts to build a contender.

Drop Tatar for Semin, drop Janik for Suter and drop Emmerton for some big physical forward. And there we go.

Vladdy84 05-31-2012 07:16 AM

Quote:

Drop Tatar for Semin
Why would the Wings get rid of Tatar?

ChadS 05-31-2012 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vladdy84 (Post 50347483)
Why would the Wings get rid of Tatar?

He probably meant send him back to Grand Rapids, not get rid of him.

That's actually a pretty good base to build upon but the D needs some serious top-end talent and a goal scorer in the top6.

Zetterberg4Captain 05-31-2012 02:12 PM

2 million dollar cap rise and this would be perfect

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / David Jones ($2.500m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Nick Schultz ($1.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,275,379; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $24,621

probertrules24 05-31-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetterberg4Captain (Post 50360193)
2 million dollar cap rise and this would be perfect

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / David Jones ($2.500m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Kyle Quincey ($3.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Nick Schultz ($1.500m) /
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,275,379; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $24,621

Can't say I would feel very comfortable going into the season with a 22 player roster and only 24 k in space. Plus I'm not sure if Jones would be willing to take only 2.5 on the open market.

echlfreak 05-31-2012 03:05 PM

I like it, but trade Qunicey to STL for Stewart instead...move Shultz up with Suter and Bouillion as extra D...plus you save 2.5m by not signing Jones

My Custom Lineup
FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Gustav Nyquist ($0.875m)
Valtteri Filppula ($3.000m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m)
Todd Bertuzzi ($2.075m) / Darren Helm ($1.500m) / Stewart ($3.0m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m) / Danny Cleary ($2.800m)
Drew Miller ($0.838m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Ryan Suter ($7.200m) / Nick Schultz ($1.500m)
Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Brendan Smith ($0.875m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Ian White ($2.875m)
Bouillion ($1m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($2.250m)
Joey MacDonald ($0.550m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $66,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $66,275,379; BONUSES: $37,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $24,621[/QUOTE]

Henkka 05-31-2012 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChadS (Post 50348261)
He probably meant send him back to Grand Rapids, not get rid of him.


Yes, I ment that. Sometimes I wonder how difficultly people are thinkin. :)

***

WHAT I would try to do to improve the team:

Sign UFA Justin Schultz for 2.5 million caphit (is it a normal ELC if he signs or what? possible to add bonuses etc.)
Sign UFA Ryan Suter for 7.5 million
Sign UFA Alex Semin for 6 million
Sign UFA David Jones for 4 million

Trade Kyle Quincey + Cory Emmerton to STL for Chris Stewart. (Blues are looking left-handed defenceman, who can play power-play, this is really match for both teams, we need a big physical winger.)

Franzen - Zetterberg - Jones
Semin
- Datsyuk - Bertuzzi
Cleary - Filppula - Stewart
Miller - Helm - Eaves
(Nyquist, Mursak)

Suter - Kronwall
Ericsson - White
Smith - Schultz
(Kindl)

Howard
(MacDonald)

sully61 05-31-2012 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 50362399)
Yes, I ment that. Sometimes I wonder how difficultly people are thinkin. :)

***

WHAT I would try to do to improve the team:

Sign UFA Justin Schultz for 2.5 million caphit (is it a normal ELC if he signs or what? possible to add bonuses etc.)
Sign UFA Ryan Suter for 7.5 million
Sign UFA Alex Semin for 6 million
Sign UFA David Jones for 4 million

Trade Kyle Quincey + Cory Emmerton to STL for Chris Stewart. (Blues are looking left-handed defenceman, who can play power-play, this is really match for both teams, we need a big physical winger.)

Franzen - Zetterberg - Jones
Semin
- Datsyuk - Bertuzzi
Cleary - Filppula - Stewart
Miller - Helm - Eaves
(Nyquist, Mursak)

Suter - Kronwall
Ericsson - White
Smith - Schultz
(Kindl)

Howard
(MacDonald)

Drop Cleary to the 4th line, put Nyquist on the 3rd, sign konopka and see if helm excels on wing?

JmanWingsFan 05-31-2012 03:56 PM

One thing that I'd like to see, but doubt will happen, is that if there is indeed a grace period for buying out contracts that Bert should be bought out. As much as I liked him and thought he earned the extension, his roster spot should have been freed up after this season. Oh well...

SoupNazi 05-31-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan (Post 50364499)
One thing that I'd like to see, but doubt will happen, is that if there is indeed a grace period for buying out contracts that Bert should be bought out. As much as I liked him and thought he earned the extension, his roster spot should have been freed up after this season. Oh well...

Cleary would be the one bought out, I'm guessing. NO WAY does Holland buy Bert out a few months after extending him.

SirKillalot 05-31-2012 05:51 PM

Trade a pick for Zuccarello and sign him.

Then sign Suter and Parise.

Then sign another depth defenseman or trade for one.

Then trade for Rick Nash!

WingedWheel1987 05-31-2012 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirKillalot (Post 50368513)
Trade a pick for Zuccarello and sign him.

Then sign Suter and Parise.

Then sign another depth defenseman or trade for one.

Then trade for Rick Nash!

You forgot to mention the Wings offer sheeting Shea Weber.


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