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Smallz 05-31-2012 12:45 PM

HF Team Board Mock Draft - 13th Overall
 
Please select the player you want the Stars to select 13th overall at the draft

Draft Results:
1) EDM - Nail Yakupov RW (Sarnia, OHL)
2) CBJ - Ryan Murray D (Everett, WHL) - 48.28%
3) MTL - Alex Galchenyuk C (Sarnia, OHL) - 51.57%
4) NYI - Mikhail Grigorenko RW (Quebec, QMJHL) - 32.10%
5) TOR - Filip Forsberg RW (Leksands, SWE) - 89.06%
6) ANA - Matt Dumba D (Red Deer, WHL) - 67.35%
7) MIN - Morgan Reilly D (Moose Jaw, WHL) - 40.91%
8) CAR - Teuvo Teräväinen RW (Jokerit, FIN) - 62.26%
9) WPG - Griffin Reinhart D (Edmonton, WHL) - 42.05%
10) TB - Jacob Trouba D (USNDTP, USHL) - 81.25%
11) WSH - Radek Faksa C (Kitchener, OHL) - 58.11%
12) BUF - Zemgus Girgensons RW (Dubuque, USHL) - 37.76%
13) DAL -
14) CGY -
15) OTT -
16) WSH -
17) SJ -
18) CHI -
19) TB -
20) PHI -
21) BUF -
22) PIT -
23) FLA -
24) BOS -
25) STL -
26) VAN -

piqued 05-31-2012 01:04 PM

Why'd you make this private?

txomisc 05-31-2012 01:08 PM

ok the key here seems to be the poll is about who we want them to take rather than we who think they will take. Based on that I am voting for Collberg. His offensive upside is incredible and while we do have a good deal of winger prospects right now I think his skillset is too good to pass up. The explosive skating combined with great hands and elite wrister sounds alot like Marian Gaborik to me. My 2nd choice would be Ceci. He seems like a fairly safe guy to be an nhl player but his blend of size mobility and a bomb of a shot gives him fairly good upside as well.

If we were voting on who we think they will take my 1st choice would be Ceci and 2nd could be Gaunce.

txomisc 05-31-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 50357727)
Why'd you make this private?

Good question. I think itd be better if it were public so we can see who the stars fans are voting for and whether or not outsiders are messing with the poll.

LatvianTwist 05-31-2012 01:12 PM

Not a fan of who's left, but I'd go with Ceci or Collberg in a toss up.

Voted Ceci just because I think we'd be able to move a D prospect for a center then.

Mr Misty 05-31-2012 01:14 PM

Bummer to see the run on Centers, which I am kind of dreading come the actual draft...

LatvianTwist 05-31-2012 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 50358091)
Bummer to see the run on Centers, which I am kind of dreading come the actual draft...

What happened in this one is probably the worst case scenario for us. Buffalo seemed pretty torn on Gaunce or Girgensons and it was extremely close, but I'm not a big fan of Gaunce. I know a guy who's a Belleville scout, and he doesn't think he'll amount to much more than a 3rd line center.

I don't know if I'd want to trade down, though, unless we can get a good deal.

Mr Misty 05-31-2012 01:28 PM

Previous regimes have a dreadful record in trading down. Either trade up a little bit or take the best player. There are supposed to be many top end D, so grab one of them I guess.

piqued 05-31-2012 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by txomisc (Post 50357879)
Based on that I am voting for Collberg. His offensive upside is incredible and while we do have a good deal of winger prospects right now I think his skillset is too good to pass up.

Yeah, I took Collberg as well. Regardless of whether he's a center or not the system needs high-end offensive skill at the forward position and that's Collberg.

Ceci would be my second choice.

You guys will see in the yet-to-be-released mod mock that there was this same run on centers before our pick with both Faksa and Girgensons off the board.

Mr Misty 05-31-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by piqued (Post 50358771)
Yeah, I took Collberg as well. Regardless of whether he's a center or not the system needs high-end offensive skill at the forward position and that's Collberg.

Ceci would be my second choice.

You guys will see in the yet-to-be-released mod mock that there was this same run on centers before our pick with both Faksa and Girgensons off the board.

This isn't helping me feel better about this draft

MetalGodAOD 05-31-2012 01:44 PM

I'd be OK with Ceci, but really hoping a Center falls to us.

txomisc 05-31-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by piqued (Post 50358771)
Yeah, I took Collberg as well. Regardless of whether he's a center or not the system needs high-end offensive skill at the forward position and that's Collberg.

Ceci would be my second choice.

You guys will see in the yet-to-be-released mod mock that there was this same run on centers before our pick with both Faksa and Girgensons off the board.

Yeah it would be great to get a center but not at the expense of a dynamic talent like Collberg. I also feel like there are several potential 2nd line centers (maidens in particular) who may be available with our second round pick so theres no reason to zero in on a center at 13.

If you look at Bob McKenzies midterm rankings youll see the top 11 on his list have gone in the top 12 of this mock. The 12th player being Teuvo Teravainan who was ranked 28th at that point. I expect those 12 will probably be the top 12 in his final list as well.

hairylikebear 05-31-2012 02:34 PM

I would be ecstatic if Collberg was available at 13.

BigG44 05-31-2012 03:27 PM

I went ahead and picked Olli Maatta. He's one of the youngest in the draft, and he looked OK in the Memorial Cup.

He seems like a safe pick that could potentially be a home run. He's almost a year younger (9 months IIRC) than Ceci.

txomisc 05-31-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hairylikebear (Post 50361121)
I would be ecstatic if Collberg was available at 13.

I really think he will be and I think you will be disappointed when the stars dont choose him.

Hull Fan 05-31-2012 04:18 PM

Voted for Olli but wouldn't be upset or surprised at Collberg.

If this scenario comes to pass I also won't mind trading back. This is the doomsday, why do the draft gods hate Dallas situation.

I would hope we'd trade up but again Collberg could be dynamic and BPA is never a bad thing.

Captain Awesome 05-31-2012 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 50359121)
This isn't helping me feel better about this draft

I'd take solace in the fact that mock drafts are always dead wrong. The teams never pick the guys you think they're going to after the first few, and by the time you get to 13 there's been at least a deviation or two, maybe a reach or two. Point is, I have no idea who will be available at 13, I'm more afraid about one of the worst first round draft pickers in the league and what they'll do. The Stars can and have screwed themselves with or without a run of bad luck.

The duality of the Dallas Stars drafting record is the height of absurdity when it comes to NHL drafting. I hope canning Bernhardt changes our awful drafting in the first round, but I'm not holding my breath.

I picked colberg because everyone made him sound really shiny, and we can always use more high end offensive talent.

LatvianTwist 05-31-2012 05:25 PM

I'm really counting on Maatta going 11th and Faksa going 12th. Top 10 are the same players, order doesn't matter for us.

Is Collberg really that good, though? I've seen him at 12th at the earliest in most mocks and rankings. I'd be fine with him, too, but I'd prefer a defenseman if we can't snag a center.

txomisc 05-31-2012 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain Awesome (Post 50367311)
I'd take solace in the fact that mock drafts are always dead wrong. The teams never pick the guys you think they're going to after the first few, and by the time you get to 13 there's been at least a deviation or two, maybe a reach or two. Point is, I have no idea who will be available at 13, I'm more afraid about one of the worst first round draft pickers in the league and what they'll do. The Stars can and have screwed themselves with or without a run of bad luck.

The duality of the Dallas Stars drafting record is the height of absurdity when it comes to NHL drafting. I hope canning Bernhardt changes our awful drafting in the first round, but I'm not holding my breath.

I picked colberg because everyone made him sound really shiny, and we can always use more high end offensive talent.

I agree the top 12 picks are not likely to be these exact 12 guys. Maybe 11 of them, but 12 is very very unlikely. Someone always falls.

glovesave_35 05-31-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 50367579)
I'd be fine with him, too, but I'd prefer a defenseman if we can't snag a center.

It worries me that some in the organization have come out and stated that they prefer a certain position in the draft (the implication being with the 1st round pick). You take BPA and go from there. How much of our team is made up of solid players taken after the 1st round? You just don't limit your options.

If you've got a hard-on for a certain player because you think he's the cat's meow and plays a position of need within the organization then you do what it takes to move up and get him. Otherwise trust your scouts and take the best talent with the best chance to succeed. For all the dung I've flung in the Stars' direction about drafting a goaltender in the 1st round I at least respect that they drafted the player they thought was the best talent.

The ONLY time you should ever draft for position is if all else is equal.

LatvianTwist 05-31-2012 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by glovesave_35 (Post 50370557)
It worries me that some in the organization have come out and stated that they prefer a certain position in the draft (the implication being with the 1st round pick). You take BPA and go from there. How much of our team is made up of solid players taken after the 1st round? You just don't limit your options.

If you've got a hard-on for a certain player because you think he's the cat's meow and plays a position of need within the organization then you do what it takes to move up and get him. Otherwise trust your scouts and take the best talent with the best chance to succeed. For all the dung I've flung in the Stars' direction about drafting a goaltender in the 1st round I at least respect that they drafted the player they thought was the best talent.

The ONLY time you should ever draft for position is if all else is equal.

That's the thing, I don't see what's so special about Collberg. He doesn't stand out to me, and is at best equal with Ceci and Määttä. I probably should've clarified that earlier, though.

I guess there's just something I'm missing with Collberg.

Faidh ar Rud Eigin 05-31-2012 07:07 PM

I'd go defense at this spot and if I'm going defense here I take Pouliot.

Ampersand 05-31-2012 07:19 PM

Collberg no question

LatvianTwist 05-31-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prophet of Glennie (Post 50370877)
I'd go defense at this spot and if I'm going defense here I take Pouliot.

Woah. Mind if I ask why?

catters078 05-31-2012 07:26 PM

If the top 12 goes as it does my preference would be to trade down 6-7 spots and draft Tomas Hertl. I really like him as a complete player who can play wing or centre.

Hopefully Joe would be savvy enough to get some valuable assets from the trade down.

If we stand pat then IMO take the best offensive player...Collberg.

Im not as high on Maata and Ceci as others are, I think we can get a similair talent in a seemingly stronger defensive draft with our 40's picks. There will be luck involved to get a stud offensive player (1st line potential i mean) picking later than the 1st round.


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