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HockeyGuruPitka 06-13-2012 08:27 AM

Oilers to move down at the draft...
 
I know this is like beating a dead horse, however earlier this morning on TSN 1050 radio Darren Dreger was on discussing what Edmonton is likely to do at the draft. He said that his sense is that the Oilers don't simply take Yakupov at No. 1. They need to add on defense, and this may force them to trade down..

I know Edmonton seems to be extremely high on Murray. How can they set up a trade that gets them Murray and another defense man?

Somehow get a solid defense man and acquire the 2nd overall pick?

boredmale 06-13-2012 08:35 AM

Edmonton is sort of in a bind if they want Murray. Basically there is only 1 team they can trade with to guarantee them Murray and Columbus could play hardball with them to say why should we give you much to move up(and threaten they are taking Murray if Nail is taken first so no use trading beyond 2nd)

LyricalLyricist 06-13-2012 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGuruPitka (Post 50860813)
I know this is like beating a dead horse, however earlier this morning on TSN 1050 radio Darren Dreger was on discussing what Edmonton is likely to do at the draft. He said that his sense is that the Oilers don't simply take Yakupov at No. 1. They need to add on defense, and this may force them to trade down..

I know Edmonton seems to be extremely high on Murray. How can they set up a trade that gets them Murray and another defense man?

Somehow get a solid defense man and acquire the 2nd overall pick?

So going down 1 spot gets you a solid defenseman? Depends how solid you're thinking here but go down 3-4 spots and maybe you can get a d-man like Schenn. Now, a lot of oilers fans would say it would have to be Schenn+ but find me a trade to move up 4 spots in the draft that costed more than Schenn.

Anyway, at 5 Murray may be gone anyway, he may be gone at 2 as well. Just my point is don't expect much value for a team going up a spot especially when they know you want murray.

jumptheshark 06-13-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LyricalLyricist (Post 50860975)
So going down 1 spot gets you a solid defenseman? Depends how solid you're thinking here but go down 3-4 spots and maybe you can get a d-man like Schenn. Now, a lot of oilers fans would say it would have to be Schenn+ but find me a trade to move up 4 spots in the draft that costed more than Schenn.

Anyway, at 5 Murray may be gone anyway, he may be gone at 2 as well. Just my point is don't expect much value for a team going up a spot especially when they know you want murray.


Murrey wont get out of the top three.
Don't see the oilers trading down for reinhart

facts 06-13-2012 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGuruPitka (Post 50860813)
I know this is like beating a dead horse, however earlier this morning on TSN 1050 radio Darren Dreger was on discussing what Edmonton is likely to do at the draft. He said that his sense is that the Oilers don't simply take Yakupov at No. 1. They need to add on defense, and this may force them to trade down..

I know Edmonton seems to be extremely high on Murray. How can they set up a trade that gets them Murray and another defense man?

Somehow get a solid defense man and acquire the 2nd overall pick?

Why not draft yak and then let the dust settle. If what we are hearing he is the best player in this draft by far. so draft him let whoever draft murray and then work from there. if its the isles the oilers will get the package they want

Jerry Lundegaard 06-13-2012 08:42 AM

They should stay at #1 and take who they truly believe is the best player available. They have plenty of trade assets to build a formidable D-core

LyricalLyricist 06-13-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogEatDog (Post 50861075)
Murrey wont get out of the top three.
Don't see the oilers trading down for reinhart

Completely agree. I merely meant to say if you expect to move down 1 spot AND aquire a solid d-man...it isn't happening. Oilers would need to add.

KEEROLE Vatanen 06-13-2012 08:45 AM

cue the leaf trade proposals

Snotbubbles 06-13-2012 08:46 AM

Draft BPA. If that happens to be a forward, so be it.

Use your forward pieces to obtain a defenseman.

BlueBaron 06-13-2012 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogEatDog (Post 50861075)
Murrey wont get out of the top three.
Don't see the oilers trading down for reinhart

While I respect your psychic powers logic suggests he will not go until at least fourth unless the oilers trade down since niether CBJ or MON need D nearly as badly as they need forwards.

HockeyGuruPitka 06-13-2012 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by facts (Post 50861089)
Why not draft yak and then let the dust settle. If what we are hearing he is the best player in this draft by far. so draft him let whoever draft murray and then work from there. if its the isles the oilers will get the package they want

I agree. Team isn't planning on winning the cup next season. I'd let them battle it out and then make a decision on which of their top guns can be parted with in order to turn them into a cup contender. For all we know Yakupov ends up being a Malkin or Kovalchuk. Definitely not players you want to be passing over. However Tambellini cant start screwing around with the core this early,it can affects the teams mentality. May be beneficial to make a decision sooner rather than later.. who knows..

Jerry Lundegaard 06-13-2012 08:50 AM

Looks like snotbubbles and I are on the same page

Blitz 06-13-2012 08:54 AM

Buffalo could save them the trouble of drafting & developing Murray and just trade you an established top-2 d-man....

How about

to :edmonton

D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 1st RND pick [12th]
2012 2nd RND pick [44th]

Oilers get an excellent 2-way d-man with the same size & skill-set as Murray, as well as a mid-round 1st to select Ceci or Maatta & a decent 2nd.

To :sabres

2012 1st RND pick [1st]

Sabres could take Yakupov, or ensure they get their centreman by grabbing Galchenyuk first O/A.

internetdotcom 06-13-2012 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyGuruPitka (Post 50860813)
I know this is like beating a dead horse,

I agree.

/thread

P.S. If I'm a team in the 2 slot, I don't offer the Oilers anything to move up. Make them decide between drafting the Dman they sorely need and letting Yak fall to me without giving up a thing, or drafting Yak and continuing to have nothing of value in net or on D. There is no incentive for teams near the Oilers to trade up and do the Oilers a favour. If EDM drafts Yak, so be it.

Analyzer* 06-13-2012 08:55 AM

Take Yakupov and in 2 years trade the least wanted, or one asking for the most money out of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle and the Nuge and trade them for a defenseman.

Jack de la Hoya 06-13-2012 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 50861385)
Buffalo could save them the trouble of drafting & developing Murray and just trade you an established top-2 d-man....

How about

to :edmonton

D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 1st RND pick [12th]
2012 2nd RND pick [44th]

Oilers get an excellent 2-way d-man with the same size & skill-set as Murray, as well as a mid-round 1st to select Ceci or Maatta & a decent 2nd.

To :sabres

2012 1st RND pick [1st]

Sabres could take Yakupov, or ensure they get their centreman by grabbing Galchenyuk first O/A.

Sekera and the 44th isn't nearly enough to move from 12 to 1, IMO. At minimum, it would require the 12 and 21, and I still doubt Edmonton would do it.

Gobo 06-13-2012 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 50861409)
Take Yakupov and in 2 years trade the least wanted, or one asking for the most money out of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle and the Nuge and trade them for a defenseman.

This.

Please don't **** this one up Tambo.

joestevens29 06-13-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitz (Post 50861385)
Buffalo could save them the trouble of drafting & developing Murray and just trade you an established top-2 d-man....

How about

to :edmonton

D Andrej Sekera ($2.75M)
2012 1st RND pick [12th]
2012 2nd RND pick [44th]

Oilers get an excellent 2-way d-man with the same size & skill-set as Murray, as well as a mid-round 1st to select Ceci or Maatta & a decent 2nd.

To :sabres

2012 1st RND pick [1st]

Sabres could take Yakupov, or ensure they get their centreman by grabbing Galchenyuk first O/A.

I like Sekera, but he isn't the main piece to acquiring the 1st overall pick. Not even close. We aren't moving down that many spots for a top 4 d-man

jumptheshark 06-13-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueBaron (Post 50861227)
While I respect your psychic powers logic suggests he will not go until at least fourth unless the oilers trade down since niether CBJ or MON need D nearly as badly as they need forwards.

I think BJS will be active on draft with the Nash and I think they will end up with another top 15 pick, BJS will be the team to watch at the draft

McCupofOil 06-13-2012 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by facts (Post 50861089)
Why not draft yak and then let the dust settle. If what we are hearing he is the best player in this draft by far. so draft him let whoever draft murray and then work from there. if its the isles the oilers will get the package they want

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerry Lundegaard (Post 50861119)
They should stay at #1 and take who they truly believe is the best player available. They have plenty of trade assets to build a formidable D-core

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snotbubbles (Post 50861211)
Draft BPA. If that happens to be a forward, so be it.

Use your forward pieces to obtain a defenseman.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Analyzer (Post 50861409)
Take Yakupov and in 2 years trade the least wanted, or one asking for the most money out of Yakupov, Hall, Eberle and the Nuge and trade them for a defenseman.

It's good to see some non-Oiler fans who get it as opposed to the folks saying that the Oilers absolutely have to draft a defenseman with the 1st pick or trade down at all costs.
Especially in a draft like this where there is a clear cut BPA, you have to take the BPA and worry about needs later.

Also, i'm pretty sure that Yakupov's value will only go up from here on out as he becomes more proven in the league so they might as well draft him and trade him at a later time for a proven top pairing defenseman if need be.

Unfortunately, there seems to be a very real possibility that the Oilers trade down which IMO, will be a big mistake unless a team is willing to massively overpay.

static80 06-13-2012 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 50861501)
I like Sekera, but he isn't the main piece to acquiring the 1st overall pick. Not even close. We aren't moving down that many spots for a top 4 d-man

Apparently you missed the World Comps. Sekera is a #2 d man all day long, he was easily the best D man at the worlds and his NHL career has progressed into a great 2way shut down D man.

He was easily Buffalo's best Dman this past season.

I do agree with you it would take Sekera, the 12th, the 21st, and in my humble opinion, a defensive prospect such as Pysyk, or McNabb. That is, if Edmonton is looking to bolster the defensive stable, which it sounds like they are.

Oilmageddon* 06-13-2012 09:07 AM

Sounds like Oilers management is leaking Rumors to start a bidding war jmo.

joestevens29 06-13-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by static80 (Post 50861645)
Apparently you missed the World Comps. Sekera is a #2 d man all day long, he was easily the best D man at the worlds and his NHL career has progressed into a great 2way shut down D man.

He was easily Buffalo's best Dman this past season.

I do agree with you it would take Sekera, the 12th, the 21st, and in my humble opinion, a defensive prospect such as Pysyk, or McNabb. That is, if Edmonton is looking to bolster the defensive stable, which it sounds like they are.

He was your best d-man yet was 4th in ES time on ice per game, 5th in Short handed and 4th in PP time. Screams #2 d-man. I also don't take what happened at the world's too seriously. If I did than Patrick Thoreson is a first liner

Komarov77 06-13-2012 09:09 AM

Draft Murray problem solved. He aint that much worse than Nail and Edm really needs great d.

Analyzer* 06-13-2012 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oilmageddon (Post 50861721)
Sounds like Oilers management is leaking Rumors to start a bidding war jmo.

Possibly be true. If the Oilers do in fact want Murray, then they won't be dropping down far.

Unless someone offers them a similarly talented dman...


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