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Langway 06-18-2012 12:44 PM

Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XIV
 
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IkeaMonkey* 06-18-2012 12:46 PM

I don't think LesPaul understands what QOs are...

ChibiPooky 06-18-2012 12:51 PM

The combination of teams having control of players forever as RFAs and the artificial inflation of league parity via the overtime point have basically killed player movement in the NHL.

BrooklynCapsFan 06-18-2012 01:35 PM

I just saw the numbers on Jackman's extension. 15% over Jeff Schultz. One just has to laugh.

CapitalsCupFantasy 06-18-2012 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynCapsFan (Post 51046731)
I just saw the numbers on Jackman's extension. 15% over Jeff Schultz. One just has to laugh AT MCPHEE.

Appended...

IkeaMonkey* 06-18-2012 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynCapsFan (Post 51046731)
I just saw the numbers on Jackman's extension. 15% over Jeff Schultz. One just has to laugh.

Oh yea? how many +50 seasons does Jackman have? huh?! huh?!

But seriously, Schultz +/- is +51 better than Jackman's on his career.

Insanity...

bonzilla 06-18-2012 01:55 PM

Sarge has racing to the D door on breakaways down to a science.

Halpysback 06-18-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynCapsFan (Post 51046731)
I just saw the numbers on Jackman's extension. 15% over Jeff Schultz. One just has to laugh.

RFA vs UFA.

Capitlols 06-18-2012 02:00 PM

So with Stuart all but signed in SJ, might Murray be on the move?

Liberati0n* 06-18-2012 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 51047627)
RFA vs UFA.

:laugh:

sk84fun_dc 06-18-2012 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiPooky (Post 51044857)
The combination of teams having control of players forever as RFAs and the artificial inflation of league parity via the overtime point have basically killed player movement in the NHL.

No. Teams do not have "control of players forever as RFAs".

Carlzner 06-18-2012 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halpysback (Post 51047627)
RFA vs UFA.

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Liberati0n* 06-18-2012 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sk84fun_dc (Post 51047907)
No. Teams do not have "control of players forever as RFAs".

He obviously didn't mean it literally, although the fact that the UFA age actually decreased after the lockout kind of undermines his point.

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Originally Posted by Braden Carlzner
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I assumed he was making a joke.

Halpysback 06-18-2012 02:19 PM

Also longer term.

ChibiPooky 06-18-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Capitlols (Post 51047701)
So with Stuart all but signed in SJ, might Murray be on the move?

It's likely IMO. With Jackman gone and Suter/Garrison not likely to sign in Washington, I don't think it would be a terrible idea to kick the tires. But it's looking increasingly likely to me that the D won't change from what it is now.

sk84fun_dc 06-18-2012 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sonsofcain (Post 51048209)
He obviously didn't mean it literally, although the fact that the UFA age actually decreased after the lockout kind of undermines his point.


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Right, age lowered to become UFA; Group 6 UFAs, etc. My comment was made based on that post and other recent comments about RFAs and UFAs by the poster.

RandyHolt 06-18-2012 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bonzilla (Post 51047471)
Sarge has racing to the D door on breakaways down to a science.

I love the S turns getting after icings or dumps in the playoffs. Glaring at Wideman and then at the linesman, "Do i really have to go get it?"

I hope Ovi spills some of his red bull into Sarge's warm milk before games this fall.

Try and make a list of more passive caps players. All time if need be. Flash is close but I saw him really nail someone in the playoffs one year.

ChibiPooky 06-18-2012 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by sk84fun_dc (Post 51048675)
Right, age lowered to become UFA; Group 6 UFAs, etc. My comment was made based on that post and other recent comments about RFAs and UFAs by the poster.

I'm pretty well-versed in the basics, but anything deeper than that and I'm out of my expertise. Basically I know just barely enough to get myself in trouble :laugh:

CapitalsCupFantasy 06-18-2012 02:31 PM

Happens when you play for the high flying Caps for a few years vs. the lowly Blues when they were horrible.

Another reason to almost completely discount the +/- stat.

txpd 06-18-2012 02:36 PM

what has killed player movement is the younger ufa age has pressed teams into long term contracts with their primary rfa's. players never make it to ufa status.

Stewie G 06-18-2012 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BrooklynCapsFan (Post 51046731)
I just saw the numbers on Jackman's extension. 15% over Jeff Schultz. One just has to laugh.

Not that it makes it a whole lot better, but Jackman more than likely would have made more money had he tested the market as a UFA. That doesn't mean that Schultz isn't overpaid, just that the percentages would be a little different had Jackman signed somewhere else.

ChibiPooky 06-18-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie G (Post 51049491)
Not that it makes it a whole lot better, but Jackman more than likely would have made more money had he tested the market as a UFA. That doesn't mean that Schultz isn't overpaid, just that the percentages would be a little different had Jackman signed somewhere else.

He took a discount to stay in St. Louis, as was mentioned in the Jackman main board thread before he signed.

bonzilla 06-18-2012 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChibiPooky (Post 51050495)
He took a discount to stay in St. Louis, as was mentioned in the Jackman main board thread before he signed.

Certainly Wideman will do the same :sarcasm:

Mystlyfe 06-18-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brad Tolliver
You are just making my point for me.

Doughty was more NHL-ready as a rookie than Johansson is now. He got to develop his rookie year under no real pressure on a bad team, then had two more years where LA weren't real contenders to follow. He is irrelevant to the discussion in this case.

King proved to be effective in Manchester and was brought up to be a big body and that's exactly what he was doing, and they got more than they expected out of him. He's got enough skill to play with top 6 players and not be a liability when not scoring. Even then he was moved to the bottom 6 when he was becoming less effective than Penner.

Nolan wasn't as good so he was playing an even more limited bottom 6 role. Loktionov who barely played was probably a better player but Nolan was far more suited to a bottom 6 role.

Marchand had to prove to be effective in Providence first, then he had to prove himself to exceed the bottom 6 role he was given in Boston before he got top 6 time.

Seguin has an elite NHL-ready skill set that not a lot of players have. Still he didn't even play the first two rounds of the playoffs last year and didn't get in until Bergeron got hurt, and had no real impact after Bergeron came back. They also didn't have the option to send him down to Providence anyway.

Even Adam Larsson got benched in the playoffs for Peter Harrold. Do you really think a non-contending team would ever sit their top defense prospect for Peter Friggin Harrold?

Most of these players were allowed to develop and prove themselves away from the contenders before they were bought up to contribute immediately. Johansson is far more than just some muscle away from being a useful NHL player on a contender.

Well, the first picture is Voynov, not Doughty. :laugh:

And since when can you not develop in a bottom six role? All of these players were clearly still developing and made key contributions to their teams playoff runs (or even reaching the playoffs in the case of the 8th seeded Kings). You're right in one respect, these players didn't develop on cup contenders. They developed on cup winners.

I don't disagree that the Capitals shouldn't depend on young players/prospects as heavily as they do. I agree that they should earn their roles and force their way into prominent positions. But the concept that contenders don't develop talent on their NHL roster is ridiculous. And the concept that Johansson needs to be traded because he hasn't "hit puberty" yet is borderline mentally ill.

ChibiPooky 06-18-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonzilla (Post 51050789)
Certainly Wideman will do the same :sarcasm:

Sign in St. Louis? I hope you're right ;)


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