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shureshot66 06-18-2012 02:51 PM

Offseason Discussion VI: Well that got out of hand (UPDATED contract chart in Post 1)
 
2012-13 LOOKAHEAD

As always, all figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.


Estimated 2012-2013 salary ceiling: .~70,300,000
Projected cap spending: .....................55,633,333
Projected cap space: .........................14,666,667


PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward.................
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Sidney Crosby
C
24
8,700,000
UFA
 
Evgeni Malkin
C
25
8,700,000
8,700,000
UFA
James Neal
RW
24
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
32
3,725,000
3,725,000
UFA
Brandon Sutter
C
23
2,066,667
2,066,667
RFA
Tyler Kennedy
RW
25
2,000,000
RFA
 
Matt Cooke
LW
33
1,800,000
UFA
 
Pascal Dupuis
LW
33
1,500,000
UFA
 
Craig Adams
RW
35
675,000
UFA
 
Dustin Jeffrey
C
24
575,000
RFA
 
Joe Vitale
C
26
550,000
550,000
UFA
Defense.................
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Paul Martin
D
31
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Brooks Orpik
D
31
3,750,000
3,750,000
UFA
Kris Letang
D
25
3,500,000
3,500,000
UFA
Deryk Engelland
D
30
566,667
566,667
UFA
Ben Lovejoy
D
28
525,000
UFA
 
Goalie....................
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
27
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Tomas Vokoun
G
35
2,000,000
2,000,000
UFA



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward...............
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Beau Bennett
RW
20
900,000
900,000
900,000
Brian Gibbons
C
24
900,000
RFA
 
Paul Thompson
RW
23
900,000
RFA
 
Adam Payerl
RW
21
850,000
850,000
850,000
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW
20
821,667
821,667
821,667
Dominik Uher
C
19
585,000
585,000
585,000
Nick Petersen
LW
23
566,667
RFA
 
Zach Sill
C
24
535,000
RFA
 
Defense...............
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Brian Dumoulin
D
20
900,000
900,000
900,000
Philip Samuelsson
D
20
900,000
900,000
RFA
Joe Morrow
D
19
894,167
894,167
894,167
Simon Despres
D
20
840,000
840,000
RFA
Reid McNeill
D
20
558,333
558,333
558,333
Goalie..................
Pos.
Age
2012-13
2013-14
2014-15
Patrick Killeen
G
22
548,333
RFA
 



UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Player..................
Pos.
Age
2011-12
News & Notes
Steve Sullivan
LW
37
1,500,000
Seems to be a significant help to the power play
Arron Asham
RW
34
775,000
Has expressed a strong desire to return
Brent Johnson
G
35
600,000
Game suddenly fell off a cliff this winter
Steve MacIntyre
LW
31
600,000
Is Shero's stance on enforcers changing?
Jason Williams
RW
31
600,000
Signed with Ambri-Piotta (NLA)
Richard Park
C
36
550,000
Reasonable option as a 13th/14th forward
Ryan Craig
C
30
525,000
WBS captain two years running
Colin McDonald
RW
27
525,000
Dropped off to just 14 goals this season
Scott Munroe
G
30
525,000
Veteran AHL option who can carry the load
Brad Thiessen
G
26
525,000
Group VI UFA -- Spring NHL audition underwhelming



RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Player..................
Pos.
Age
2011-12
News & Notes
*Matt Niskanen
D
25
1,500,000
In negotiations, mutual interest in a return
Cal O'Reilly
C
25
1,050,000
Slow start, then chipped in a few big playoff goals
Mattias Modig
G
25
875,000
Spent entire season in Europe rehabbing from injury
*Keven Veilleux
RW
22
854,167
Injured -- Typically cursed 2nd round pick
Casey Pierro-Zabotel
LW
23
850,000
Already banished from the organization
*Carl Sneep
D
24
850,000
Still lagging behind many other defensive prospects
*Brian Strait
D
24
850,000
A good bet to stick with the big club as a 6/7 option
*Eric Tangradi
LW
23
845,833
Skillset sadly hasn't endeared him to Bylsma
Marc Cheverie
G
25
803,500
Michalek trade -- Your guess is as good as mine
*Alex Grant
D
23
790,000
Likely saved pro career with showing on power play
Alexandre Picard
D
26
600,000
Will likely move along for a better crack at the NHL
Boris Valabik
D
26
550,000
Injuries ruined season -- just misses Group VI cutoff
*Robert Bortuzzo
D
23
535,000
Pens like him, but will he make it through waivers?
*-Expected to receive qualifying offer, per Molinari



SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team
Contract
Scott Harrington
D
19
London (OHL)
3 years/894,167 per



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Kenny Agostino
F
20
Yale (ECAC)
Josh Archibald
F
19
Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA)
Teddy Blueger
F
17
Minnesota State (WCHA)
Nick D'Agostino
D
22
Cornell (ECAC)
Patrick Ehelechner
G
27
Nürnberg (DEL)
Ben Hanowski
F
21
St. Cloud State (WCHA)
Olli Maatta
D
17
London (OHL)
Sean Maguire
G
19
Boston University (HEA)
Matia Marcantuoni
F
18
Kitchener (OHL)
Matt Murray
G
18
Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
Alexander Pechurskiy
G
22
Klin (VHL)
Derrick Pouliot
D
18
Portland (WHL)
Harrison Ruopp
D
19
Prince Albert (WHL)
Bryan Rust
F
20
Notre Dame (CCHA)
Clark Seymour
D
19
Peterborough (OHL)
Oskar Sundqvist
C
18
Skellefteċ (J18)
Alex Velischek
D
21
Providence (HEA)
Scott Wilson
F
20
UMass-Lowell (HEA)
Anton Zlobin
F
19
Val d'Or (QMJHL)

shureshot66 06-18-2012 03:00 PM

Probably should've added a poll. Which storyline will the Trib overhype and sensationalize for this July 1? "Staalwatch" would probably win in a landslide, though.

MrBurgundy* 06-18-2012 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 51050315)
Probably should've added a poll. Which storyline will the Trib overhype and sensationalize for this July 1? "Staalwatch" would probably win in a landslide, though.

They'll probably try to play up the "#jagrwatch" angle again given how clueless they are.

edit: Also should we add Morrow to the WBS Penguins now since he's most likely going there?

Ogrezilla 06-18-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrBurgundy (Post 51053061)
Justin Faulk. I hear he's the next big thing on defense in the NHL. He'd instantly be our top PP QB and make us the #1 PP in the league.

fun tidbit: Joe Morrow is already expected to be that guy.

Darth Vitale 06-18-2012 04:52 PM

Vitale and Morrow are hockey to the power of Joe.


NOTICE FROM THE JOES: They like threads that are organized and together like they are. That means they don't want to see no Staal jibba-jabba in here this time. We should be able to get this right by version 6 of a thread. :laugh:

Shrimper 06-18-2012 05:40 PM

I can see things heating up in the next week or two with our players that are going to be going through UFA or RFA status. How's WBS shaping?

TravisUlrich 06-18-2012 05:49 PM

I know we're usually the ones in the position to ask players to take a cut to play with us but this summer, with a year separating us from Sid & Jordan's contracts, we should be willing to outbid almost anyone for Ray Whitney on a 1-year contract.

Ogrezilla 06-18-2012 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TravisUlrich (Post 51057845)
I know we're usually the ones in the position to ask players to take a cut to play with us but this summer, with a year separating us from Sid & Jordan's contracts, we should be willing to outbid almost anyone for Ray Whitney on a 1-year contract.

If he'll take one year, I absolutely agree. Pay the man.

Zbynek 06-18-2012 06:05 PM

Give the man a 2 year deal if he wants. Over the past 4 seasons he's missed only 9 games. 77 pts last year playing the full 82 games helps his case also. He still has some wheels, and obviously, durability.

2 years, $7 million. Why not? Kunitz-Crosby-Whitney would be such a hard line to play against.

Ogrezilla 06-18-2012 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbynek (Post 51058415)
Give the man a 2 year deal if he wants. Over the past 4 seasons he's missed only 9 games. 77 pts last year playing the full 82 games helps his case also. He still has some wheels, and obviously, durability.

2 years, $7 million. Why not? Kunitz-Crosby-Whitney would be such a hard line to play against.

3.5 a year would be cheap for him. 7 would be too much. particularly the 2nd year when Sid and Staal will likely be getting payed more.

MrBurgundy* 06-18-2012 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chancellor Vitale (Post 51055449)
NOTICE FROM THE JOES: They like threads that are organized and together like they are. That means they don't want to see no Staal jibba-jabba in here this time. We should be able to get this right by version 6 of a thread. :laugh:

Oh fine, be that way. I'm taking my ball and going home. :whatever:

redsono93 06-18-2012 09:44 PM

What does everyone think of picking up Semin?

SEALBound 06-18-2012 10:03 PM

No, absolutely not!

Darth Vitale 06-18-2012 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsono93 (Post 51067463)
What does everyone think of picking up Semin?

Far better ways to spend that kind of money IMO if you're trying to build a playoff contender. That guy is the opposite of a playoff gamer. And he fights like an 8 year old girl. It's just the principle of the thing. ;)

KaylaJ 06-18-2012 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redsono93 (Post 51067463)
What does everyone think of picking up Semin?

If he came cheap, but considering what other teams can offer, I don't think that'll happen.

jmelm 06-18-2012 11:15 PM

I like both Semin and Whithey on one year deals, but neither on anything more than that. The difference with Semin, however, is aside from having great upside in general, given his age, he at least has the potential for more an extended future with the team if things went well for him here. Whitney has been great, but he is bound to decline very soon.

Mr Jiggyfly 06-19-2012 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmelm (Post 51070897)
I like both Semin and Whithey on one year deals, but neither on anything more than that. The difference with Semin, however, is aside from having great upside in general, given his age, he at least has the potential for more an extended future with the team if things went well for him here. Whitney has been great, but he is bound to decline very soon.

Whitney is coming of a season where he almost potted 80 points and he has missed a total of 9 games the last four seasons.

For comparison's sake, Selanne is two years older, almost hit 70 points this year and may play another season.

I doubt Whitney is bound to decline that badly in the next two years, which is probably the term he will be looking for.

Semin on the other hand is one of the softest players I have ever seen and I would take Whitney, at his declining age, over Semin, 100 times out of 100 without a moment's hesitation.

Solution 06-19-2012 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 51057523)
I can see things heating up in the next week or two with our players that are going to be going through UFA or RFA status. How's WBS shaping?

Shrimper:

I have posted several of my best guess ideas on the Penguins' prospects thread, but since I am no expert, they are at best educated guesses. Here is an attempt at one for you.

Bennett-Street-MacDonald
Peterson-Craig-Thompson
Gibbons-Lerg-Kuhnhackl
Payerl-Uher-Walker
Sill; Viellieux (IR)

Morrow-Mormina
Sneep-Samuelsson
Grant-McNeil
Merth; Despres (until he gets called up to Pittsburgh)

Killeen
Theissen/Munroe/Chad Johnson (my ideal choice)

Possible other guys to look at: Barton, Chupp, Defazio, Wild, O'Reilly.

Ugene Malkin 06-19-2012 07:06 AM

Ideally we should target another Kunitz type winger who can bang as the third wheel. I don't see Whitney and Semin as that kind of player.

Pens were soft with Sullivan, and these two would be upgrades, but at a much higher cost while still being soft.

Lets look for warriors in your face battlers.

Ogrezilla 06-19-2012 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ugene Malkin (Post 51075775)
Ideally we should target another Kunitz type winger who can bang as the third wheel. I don't see Whitney and Semin as that kind of player.

Pens were soft with Sullivan, and these two would be upgrades, but at a much higher cost while still being soft.

Lets look for warriors in your face battlers.

Ideally we should target two wingers. One of them should be the third wheel banger type. The other can be whatever the hell we want imo, just as long as its an upgrade.

Flat Stanley 06-19-2012 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ogrezilla (Post 51076021)
Ideally we should target two wingers. One of them should be the third wheel banger type. The other can be whatever the hell we want imo, just as long as its an upgrade.

Rumor on the trade board that Cal Clutterbuck and Devin Setoguchi might be available, I think both would be a great fit for the Pens.

Kunitz-Crosby-Setoguchi
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Clutterbuck
Asham-Vitale-Adams

Tangradi gets the top 6 spot if he earns it out of camp, he would save us cap space instead of acquiring another top 6 winger. IMO, with that top 6, you don't need every winger to be great, we can afford to give Tangradi those minutes with Malkin and Neal and not lose a beat.

khaoskennedy 06-19-2012 07:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyes of Orpik (Post 51076159)
Rumor on the trade board that Cal Clutterbuck and Devin Setoguchi might be available, I think both would be a great fit for the Pens.

Kunitz-Crosby-Setoguchi
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Clutterbuck
Asham-Vitale-Adams

Tangradi gets the top 6 spot if he earns it out of camp, he would save us cap space instead of acquiring another top 6 winger. IMO, with that top 6, you don't need every winger to be great, we can afford to give Tangradi those minutes with Malkin and Neal and not lose a beat.

i like it, but i'd like it a lot more with dupuis and tk in there too

Ogrezilla 06-19-2012 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eyes of Orpik (Post 51076159)
Rumor on the trade board that Cal Clutterbuck and Devin Setoguchi might be available, I think both would be a great fit for the Pens.

Kunitz-Crosby-Setoguchi
Tangradi-Malkin-Neal
Cooke-Staal-Clutterbuck
Asham-Vitale-Adams

Tangradi gets the top 6 spot if he earns it out of camp, he would save us cap space instead of acquiring another top 6 winger. IMO, with that top 6, you don't need every winger to be great, we can afford to give Tangradi those minutes with Malkin and Neal and not lose a beat.

What do you have us sending them? Martin, Dupuis and TK?

I still don't want Tangradi in the top 6 unless we have to. Make another deal to fill that spot and send Asham or Adams packing. I don't get why we care about saving cap space. We have cap space. At least if Martin gets traded.

I don't really mind that move, but I would still try to make another one for that LW. I'd rather play Tangradi with Staal. Drop Cooke down a line and get rid of one of Adams or Asham. Make them the 13th forward at least.

Quote:

Originally Posted by khaoskennedy (Post 51076337)
i like it, but i'd like it a lot more with dupuis and tk in there too

I assume they would be a part of the trade in his scenario.

OnMyOwn 06-19-2012 07:56 AM

Who are we trading to get them? Staal would be the starting point IMO.

Ogrezilla 06-19-2012 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnMyOwn (Post 51076409)
Who are we trading to get them? Staal would be the starting point IMO.

From his scenario it looks like Martin, TK and Dupuis. I wouldn't give them Staal for anything resembling that deal.


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