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King William 06-19-2012 04:57 AM

Cody Franson or Mike Komisarek.
 
Mike Komisarek:

Likely goes to a team that needs to hit the cap floor. He has little to no real value. He'll go on streaks of playing solid defensive hockey and then screws it all up by trying to do too much. Terrific guy in the room and in the media.

Komisarek is pretty much a #6/7 defensive defenceman on an average team.

Salary: $4.5M for 2 more years.

Cody Franson:

It's evident that he has some good offensive skills and a unique blend of size and skating. Crazy shot from the point. Never really takes a slap shot, but he has a tremendous snap and wrist shot. Buried in Toronto behind quite a few other guys and could really thrive with a change of scenery.

Franson is a #4/5 defenceman that can play the PP. Needs to learn to use his size to his advantage.

Salary: Restricted Free Agent (last contract: ELC $800,000)

Intense Rage 06-19-2012 05:10 AM

Komisarek is a pure cap dump as of now. I actually thought he was a pretty decent player but injuries have really slowed him down. You will have to take salary back in any deal as this is probably one of the worst contracts in the league now.

Franson is a nice piece to have, although with the current season that he had I would not expect more than a 2nd round pick in return. I think it would be wiser hanging on to him.

RyanCallahan24* 06-19-2012 05:32 AM

I'd be interested in Franson from a Rangers POV. We need more RH d-men. I know he's a good skater and good offensievely but how is he in his own zone? Does he hit? Does he block shots often?

EarlGrey 06-19-2012 05:50 AM

What would Franson cost? Ducks sure need help on the PP.

If Franson really is expendable for the Leafs and if they need the roster spot, I'd imagine Burke and Murray are already working on something.

SIDGENO8771 06-19-2012 06:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCallahan24 (Post 51075053)
I'd be interested in Franson from a Rangers POV. We need more RH d-men. I know he's a good skater and good offensievely but how is he in his own zone? Does he hit? Does he block shots often?

Could something be worked out around Hagelin?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51075169)
What would Franson cost? Ducks sure need help on the PP.

If Franson really is expendable for the Leafs and if they need the roster spot, I'd imagine Burke and Murray are already working on something.

Could we do Franson + for Palmieri

or

Grabovski + Franson for 2012 1st

EarlGrey 06-19-2012 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIDGENO8771 (Post 51075405)

Could we do Franson + for Palmieri

or

Grabovski + Franson for 2012 1st

No to the 1st, the second proposal isn't bad, as it addresses 2 needs for the Ducks. Not sure I'd do it though. Personally, I'm not high on Grabo in gerneral, especially for a cap hit of 5.5. I think he gets paid 6 mill in actually salary the next 3 years..so I'd guess this is a dealbreaker for Ducks management.

bobbyflex 06-19-2012 06:55 AM

Franson has value. Komisarek does not.

Boom Boom Anton 06-19-2012 07:19 AM

Franson is kind of an enigma to me. You would think he has the size and skills to be a more effective defenseman, but for some reason doesn't put it all together. Admittedly, I saw him less than 10 times last season so I don't have a huge sample size to draw from, but I always came away kind of disappointed. He's obviously got good size, is a decent skater and has offensive skills, but he always seemed out of place (to me anyhow) on the defensive side of the equation. Not sure if his defensive awareness is just lacking, or if he mentally hasn't caught up to the speed of the NHL game yet, but he just seemed a bit off in that regards.

At this point, I would only want to give him sheltered minutes ES and some PP time as I think he can be somewhat effective in that role, but I wouldn't want to count on him to be a top 4 ES guy. Maybe he'll get there, but what I've seen of him would make me nervous. As I said though, I haven't seen him a lot so it would be nice for some Leaf's fans to give a better assessment of his strengths and weaknesses (an honest assessment, not just trying to pump up his value).

EDIT: to answer the question, I might see a team giving a late 2nd or 3rd round pick for Franson.

I think Komisarek could be of value if a team needs a guy who can play in his own zone and is a bit physical, but with his modified NMC/NTC and his cap hit, it reduces the number of teams that might even be interested in a guy like him. If it's a bad team that needs the cap dollars (as his Salary is less than his cap), he might not want to go to that team. If it's a good team, they might not be able to afford his cap hit. Impossible for me to speculate on him.

Phion Keneuf 06-19-2012 09:08 AM

Franson played REALLY good at points last season ... at worst he was a solid bottom pairing dman

he was beyond terrible on the Left Side ... but as soon as he got switched to his right side he started playing great

Grant 06-19-2012 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mika Zibanejad (Post 51074875)
Mike Komisarek:

Likely goes to a team that needs to hit the cap floor. He has little to no real value. He'll go on streaks of playing solid defensive hockey and then screws it all up by trying to do too much. Terrific guy in the room and in the media.

Komisarek is pretty much a #6/7 defensive defenceman on an average team.

Salary: $4.5M for 2 more years.


Cody Franson:

It's evident that he has some good offensive skills and a unique blend of size and skating. Crazy shot from the point. Never really takes a slap shot, but he has a tremendous snap and wrist shot. Buried in Toronto behind quite a few other guys and could really thrive with a change of scenery.

Franson is a #4/5 defenceman that can play the PP. Needs to learn to use his size to his advantage.

Salary: Restricted Free Agent (last contract: ELC $800,000)

His salary is actually 3.5m for the next 2 years while carrying a cap hit of 4.5m. Not much different, but that is where much of the value of trading for him comes from.

WeridAl 06-19-2012 10:43 AM

Franson was the 7th D on a bad D team, he has poor lateral movement and will often do his best imitation of a pylon to screen his own goalie. He does skate well north to south and will hit once in a while, with a above average shot. Hockey sense is questionable. He'll be the 6/7 D on most teams.

Mike Komisarek had a higher value with the leaf team and at times he was solid, but like the OP said he is overpaid. Might have some value to a team needing to reach the cap floor. If he ever came back to form, he could be a 2nd pairing D.

Cogburn 06-19-2012 11:49 AM

I'd surrender a third round pick, if we had one, for Franson. Since our second is almost a third...Kellan Tochkin and our second for Franson.

Phion Keneuf 06-19-2012 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 51080997)
Franson was the 7th D on a bad D team, he has poor lateral movement and will often do his best imitation of a pylon to screen his own goalie. He does skate well north to south and will hit once in a while, with a above average shot. Hockey sense is questionable. He'll be the 6/7 D on most teams.

Mike Komisarek had a higher value with the leaf team and at times he was solid, but like the OP said he is overpaid. Might have some value to a team needing to reach the cap floor. If he ever came back to form, he could be a 2nd pairing D.

that's 100% not true :laugh:

Franson is the one who will be on teams 2nd pairing, and Komi will be the 6th/7th dman

Franson could put up 30ish point while being pretty good defensively.. by no means is he a liability

he also can throw some hits/play physical when needed

BonkTastic 06-19-2012 11:54 AM

The only value Komisarek has is in the draft pick Burke would need to include with him in a deal to dump that awful contract of his.

Franson, I can see lots of teams being in on. I kind of thought that it made sense to send him to Anaheim for a signed Schultz (with Schultz only signing off on a deal knowing it was conditional to a trade).

TorontoTrades 06-19-2012 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51075169)
What would Franson cost? Ducks sure need help on the PP.

If Franson really is expendable for the Leafs and if they need the roster spot, I'd imagine Burke and Murray are already working on something.

2nd and rights to Justin Schultz

for

Franson + 4th round pick


alot of talk about the rights to Shultz being dealt as he won't be in Anaheim... 2nd is high so thats why its a 4th and not a 6th/7th as rights really have no value other than a week of negotiations before free agency.




as for Komisarek, I only see him as in a throw in to even salary in a trade for someone like Nash... other than that can't see anyone taking him... unless they need to hit cap floor.. then I'll happily drive him to the airport.

Barney Gumble 06-19-2012 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobbyflex (Post 51075681)
Franson has value. Komisarek does not.

Komisarek has value - only it's *negative* value (though not as much as one might think given his cap hit and NMC - because of the front-loaded nature of his deal).

Next year if a team needs to reach the cap floor (while not wanting to spend that much cash), there *might* be some interest.

Ricky Bobby 06-19-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeridAl (Post 51080997)
Franson was the 7th D on a bad D team, he has poor lateral movement and will often do his best imitation of a pylon to screen his own goalie. He does skate well north to south and will hit once in a while, with a above average shot. Hockey sense is questionable. He'll be the 6/7 D on most teams.

Mike Komisarek had a higher value with the leaf team and at times he was solid, but like the OP said he is overpaid. Might have some value to a team needing to reach the cap floor. If he ever came back to form, he could be a 2nd pairing D.

Franson plays on a bad team, the year before he played on a good team with Nashville. It's in no way his fault as a depth dman that Toronto doesn't have the top end talent that other teams do but he's just as good of a depth player as other teams depth player.

I agree with the rest of your post though. I could see him returning something like an early 2nd or a mid/late 2nd plus 3rd round pick but no way is a depth dman who plays insulated 5 on 5 minutes, doesn't ever penalty kill and is a 2nd powerplay option going to garner a huge return. I don't see him having a role in Toronto with Phaneuf, Liles and Gardiner taking up the vast majority of the powerplay time.

There is a reason Nashville traded him to us as opposed to guys like Blum, Ellis, etc.

Both Tampa Bay and Dallas seem like ideal landing spots for him as both teams don't spend to the cap, could use a Dman who can help offensively and probably won't want to overpay for Wideman or Carle in free agency.

pspot 06-19-2012 12:45 PM

Franson was a victim of Wilson and his lack up a system
made him play his off side and was in and out of the line up. He should be resigned by the leafs but because of the log jam of contracts ahead of him he's probably the odd man out

With the Rangers what about something like Mac and Franson for Dubinsky and pick

htpwn 06-19-2012 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cogburn (Post 51083439)
I'd surrender a third round pick, if we had one, for Franson. Since our second is almost a third...Kellan Tochkin and our second for Franson.

Personally I'd like to keep Franson, but if Burke feels the need to clear a roster spot, then I think that would be a fair return.

Franson is a classic example of player that, in his element, is very effective at what he does. Move him out of his element and he starts to get exposed. He can play bottom pairing, #5-6 (sheltered) minutes without being a liability and is a PP specialist. He has pretty good slapper but his best skill is arguably his ability to put the puck on net. He always manages to get his shots through.

Last year wasn't a great one for Franson. He should have played more than he did. Komisarek played over him by virtue of contract and Schenn played over him because of potential. It shouldn't speak to him being a #7 on a bad team as some have suggested. He played his role well when he was in and would a great addition to a contending team looking to solidify their bottom pairing.

QMJHLfollower 06-19-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCallahan24 (Post 51075053)
I'd be interested in Franson from a Rangers POV. We need more RH d-men. I know he's a good skater and good offensievely but how is he in his own zone? Does he hit? Does he block shots often?

Franson for Boyle?
Franson+MacArthur for Anisimov+?
Franson+MacArthur for Dubinsky+?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51075169)
What would Franson cost? Ducks sure need help on the PP.

If Franson really is expendable for the Leafs and if they need the roster spot, I'd imagine Burke and Murray are already working on something.

Franson for Beleskey+Maroon?
Franson+ for DSP?
Franson+ for Holland?

getyourselfsomerest 06-19-2012 02:23 PM

IIRC, Dreger reported that Burke was offered a 2nd and a prospect for Franson at the trade deadline. No doubt his value has probably taken a dive right now but I don't think it's out of the question to say that a signed Franson could get a 2nd rounder.

Falcons93 06-19-2012 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RyanCallahan24 (Post 51075053)
I'd be interested in Franson from a Rangers POV. We need more RH d-men. I know he's a good skater and good offensievely but how is he in his own zone? Does he hit? Does he block shots often?

He's very slow. Anyways, I'd expect a 2nd + mediocre prospect for Franson and a 6th or 7th for Komisarek.

edruga 06-19-2012 02:29 PM

I'd prefer not to trade Franson just yet. His shot from the point is too good. It's not heavy, but he hits the net every time it seems. Unlike Komisarek or Schenn who aim for shin guards or Gunnarsson swinging at air.

Regarding Franson's defensive game, it was really inconsistent last year. When he developed a bit of a mean streak, he was really effective, but it never lasted.

QMJHLfollower 06-19-2012 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcons93 (Post 51090383)
He's very slow. Anyways, I'd expect a 2nd + mediocre prospect for Franson and a 6th or 7th for Komisarek.

Actually he's not that slow.

lakai17 06-19-2012 02:45 PM

Omark + 3rd rounder for Franson.


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