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Shrimper 06-20-2012 12:35 PM

Bobby Ryan is "available" Part II
 
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GoGoGrabo 06-20-2012 12:41 PM

If any team wanted to land Ryan, it would be the Capitals. They have all of Bruce B's "boys"


Green, Laich, Schultz, etc. Not to mention the 11th and 16th overall. However, all Caps fans know that George McPhee has never made a bold move in his life, so this post pretty much means nothing.

ericnut 06-20-2012 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeh82 (Post 51135819)
I don't think the Ducks should either, and I wasn't saying otherwise.

I was just suggesting that it is awful hard to come up with fair value for both sides without at least one significant future asset as part of the deal.

Agreed.

This will be an interesting draft weekend.

xX Hot Fuss 06-20-2012 12:45 PM

Hawks offer 1st + Saad + Stalberg + Olsen

Or

1st + Stalberg + Morin + Pirri + Olsen

Der Jaeger 06-20-2012 01:11 PM

From the last Ryan thread
 
Initial deal parameters, set by Ducks fans, echoed by numerous Duck fans in the last thread:

Parameter 1: Desired return.
Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51136515)
Ducks would want:

- Shutdown Defenseman
- 2nd line Center
- 2nd/3rd line Winger


All in their early to mid 20ies...now roll the offers.

Parameter 2: Budget
Quote:

Originally Posted by Vipers31 (Post 51136515)
Ducks are a budget team and have no need for Martin and no place for his contract.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51136515)
Naturally we have to take salary back. But it probably won't be more than what Ryan's cap hit is right now.

Assuming a limit of Ryan's cap hit of $5.1M, since it's more restrictive than his salary of $5,562,500.

Parameter 3: Organizational depth
Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51136515)
Probably wants to fill up the Duck's talent pool as well as the 2nd and 3rd line.

From Buffalo, based on parameters:

- Andrej Sekera D (graded out as Buffalo's best defenseman in 2011-12, in a shutdown role - $2.75 for 3 years)
- Derek Roy C (legit top 6 center, $4M, last year of contract)
- Joel Armia RW (best prospect in the Buffalo system, #31 HF, should be in NHL Sept. 2013, $1.275M ELC)

Buffalo adds 12th overall pick in 2012, and a conditional pick in 2013 dependent on if Roy resigns.

Anaheim adds Lydman, $3M in 2013.

Total $8.025M to Anaheim, $8.1M to Buffalo. Meets all three Ducks fans set parameters.

Der Jaeger 06-20-2012 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericnut (Post 51136515)
Your GM should be fired if he offered this package.

:laugh:

Just terrible. Offering overpayments for Ryan that actually meet the Ducks' needs.

:sarcasm:

Feed Me A Stray Cat 06-20-2012 01:19 PM

Clarkson, Fayne, and Merrill
for
Ryan

ericnut 06-20-2012 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Jaeger (Post 51137853)
:laugh:

Just terrible. Offering overpayments for Ryan that actually meet the Ducks' needs.

:sarcasm:

I see you changed your proposal. ; )

Gliff 06-20-2012 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feed Me A Stray Cat (Post 51138115)
Clarkson, Fayne, and Merrill
for
Ryan

Henrique or bust

Vipers31 06-20-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericnut (Post 51134485)
The Ducks are interested in winning games, not building for the future.

Quote:

Originally Posted by heartsabres (Post 51135991)
Funny Bob McKenzie said the opposite....who to believe? :laugh:

Actually, MacKenzie didn't really say the exact opposite. He mentioned "building blocks", but you don't just build in the future, you also build in the present. We are building now, not collecting materials to start construction a few years down the road. That's not what we want, not what we need, and nothing we can do.

That said, McKenzie also specifically marked that tweet as his own take and not part of his source's information, and ericnut isn't just making stuff up, he's just reiterating what our own GM has repeatedly said.

And it's not just our GM saying that we're not looking for futures on such deals, it's also a very sensible approach given the Ducks' situation. We have a very good young core, we have a very good and deep prospect pool, and we have a market that isn't going to take kindly to a rebuild, and certainly not one of the least necessary rebuilds in recent memory. Ryan is not going to be traded in a deal centered around futures. Even if Bob McKenzie said that straight up, I would beg to differ.

NuxFan09 06-20-2012 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Jaeger (Post 51137777)
Initial deal parameters, set by Ducks fans, echoed by numerous Duck fans in the last thread:

Parameter 1: Desired return.


Parameter 2: Budget




Assuming a limit of Ryan's cap hit of $5.1M, since it's more restrictive than his salary of $5,562,500.

Parameter 3: Organizational depth


From Buffalo, based on parameters:

- Andrej Sekera D (graded out as Buffalo's best defenseman in 2011-12, in a shutdown role - $2.75 for 3 years)
- Derek Roy C (legit top 6 center, $4M, last year of contract)
- Joel Armia RW (best prospect in the Buffalo system, #31 HF, should be in NHL Sept. 2013, $1.275M ELC)

Buffalo adds 12th overall pick in 2012, and a conditional pick in 2013 dependent on if Roy resigns.

Anaheim adds Lydman, $3M in 2013.

Total $8.025M to Anaheim, $8.1M to Buffalo. Meets all three Ducks fans set parameters.

Solid proposal. Anaheim shores up their centre situation, adds a great young defenseman to their blueline, and adds a very good prospect with a high ceiling to their system. If Armia reaches his ceiling, he's their Selanne replacement. He obviously won't be as good, but you know what I mean.

NuxFan09 06-20-2012 01:37 PM

The only problem is Buffalo's centre position becomes even worse. That team desperately needs a #1 centre and should actually be focusing more on that need instead of Bobby Ryan.

Unagi 06-20-2012 01:48 PM

Bob MacKenzie on TSN Radio 990 Montreal:

- Ducks not wanting to dump Ryan, but talking to other teams
- Ducks will try to bolster the depth on their team
- Ryan highly sought after commodity especially with Nash's pricetag. Teams who would want him would look to Ryan, as he would be cheaper.
- Ducks would look for:
* not increasing the payroll - maybe lessen it a bit
* 2-3 assets (Forward, real good young defensman and a prospect or draft pick)

He is not suggesting he will be traded, but there is talk about it.

jax00 06-20-2012 01:50 PM

I would argue the Ducks organizational depth is just fine. Holland, Etem, Palmieri, Rakell, DSP are all solid forward prospects. I'm guessing the Ducks take a d-man with the #6 overall to offset the loss of Schultz and give some depth beyond Vatanen in the prospect pool as well.

My point is I don't think they are looking for building blocks, depsite what McKenzie "suspects". What I suspect is that they are looking for a legit and proven 2nd line center signed long term (Krecji type) or a top pairing d-man. Not Sekeras or Schenns. Proven guys that can play 25+ a night against a top line, likely on the younger side (Bogosian?). Whether or not anyone wants to pony up is another issue. If not I'm sure the Ducks will be happy to hang onto Ryan.

GregSirico 06-20-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51139733)
Bob MacKenzie on TSN Radio 990 Montreal:

- Ducks not wanting to dump Ryan, but talking to other teams
- Ducks will try to bolster the depth on their team
- Ryan highly sought after commodity especially with Nash's pricetag. Teams who would want him would look to Ryan, as he would be cheaper.
- Ducks would look for:
* not increasing the payroll - maybe lessen it a bit
* 2-3 assets (Forward, real good young defensman and a prospect or draft pick)

He is not suggesting he will be traded, but there is talk about it.

By the sound of that ... the Rangers make them perfect trading partners .... if NY is willing to deal. That is a BIG if.

Barilko14 06-20-2012 01:53 PM

20 1/2 hours start to finish on a thread, impressive.

Unagi 06-20-2012 01:53 PM

My money is now on an ANA-TOR deal. Ryan for Schenn, 5th and Colborne.

Hope Ryan stays.

GregSirico 06-20-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barilko14 (Post 51139999)
20 1/2 hours start to finish on a thread, impressive.

A young guy with production/value of Ryan warrents a lot of teams interests.

ericnut 06-20-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51139733)
Bob MacKenzie on TSN Radio 990 Montreal:

- Ducks not wanting to dump Ryan, but talking to other teams
- Ducks will try to bolster the depth on their team
- Ryan highly sought after commodity especially with Nash's pricetag. Teams who would want him would look to Ryan, as he would be cheaper.
- Ducks would look for:
* not increasing the payroll - maybe lessen it a bit
* 2-3 assets (Forward, real good young defensman and a prospect or draft pick)

He is not suggesting he will be traded, but there is talk about it.

Thanks for the update. Sounds like the Ducks are more interested in a defenseman than a forward (or at least the way you worded it).

Sabretip 06-20-2012 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Jaeger (Post 51137777)
From Buffalo, based on parameters:

- Andrej Sekera D (graded out as Buffalo's best defenseman in 2011-12, in a shutdown role - $2.75 for 3 years)
- Derek Roy C (legit top 6 center, $4M, last year of contract)
- Joel Armia RW (best prospect in the Buffalo system, #31 HF, should be in NHL Sept. 2013, $1.275M ELC)

Buffalo adds 12th overall pick in 2012, and a conditional pick in 2013 dependent on if Roy resigns.

Anaheim adds Lydman, $3M in 2013.

Total $8.025M to Anaheim, $8.1M to Buffalo. Meets all three Ducks fans set parameters.

Well done in terms of being realistic and beneficial for both teams! :clap:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spezzator (Post 51139107)
The only problem is Buffalo's centre position becomes even worse. That team desperately needs a #1 centre and should actually be focusing more on that need instead of Bobby Ryan.

True - but they still have the draft picks, highly-rated prospects and some NHL roster players (Stafford, Leopold) to offer.

Unagi 06-20-2012 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericnut (Post 51140101)
Thanks for the update. Sounds like the Ducks are more interested in a defenseman than a forward (or at least the way you worded it).


Yeah he said "a forward that might not be as good as Ryan but still a good hockey player, a young defensman, a prospect or a pick". Not word for word but the content is correct lol

heartsabres* 06-20-2012 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckNoire (Post 51140017)
My money is now on an ANA-TOR deal. Ryan for Schenn, 5th and Colborne.

Hope Ryan stays.

McNabb is better then Schenn....McNabb, Roy and the 12th

Human 06-20-2012 01:59 PM

there's no secret I'd love Ryan on the Pens. a re-signed Staal straight up for Ryan. makes all kind of sense.

Unagi 06-20-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by heartsabres (Post 51140239)
McNabb is better then Schenn....McNabb, Roy and the 12th

Difference:
- McNabb not as NHL proven as Schenn
- Roy is UFA 2013
- 5th is better than 12th
- Burke and Murray are BFFs

tsujimoto74 06-20-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spezzator (Post 51139107)
The only problem is Buffalo's centre position becomes even worse. That team desperately needs a #1 centre and should actually be focusing more on that need instead of Bobby Ryan.

Ryan also fills a big need for Buffalo though: a big, physical top 6 forward. Foligno was awesome at the end of the season, but we need more than one guy who can both score and hit. Worst case scenario we sign an FA/re-sign Hecht/call up Adam to take Roy's spot. Better scenario, imo, we could trade for someone like Dubinsky to center Leino and Pominville and run that as our two-way line.


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