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Fel 96 06-22-2012 12:17 AM

6/22-23 - 2012 NHL Draft - 6 PM CT - NBCSN (Rounds 2-7 on NHLN at 9 AM CT)
 

You can talk about the NHL draft in general here.

We will create a thread for each Wild draftee just like we did last year. Let the 2012 draft begin!

One important thing: there will be a low tolerance for flaming/trolling here. Thanks for your understanding!

Dr Jan Itor 06-22-2012 12:18 AM

So what does Koekkoek bring that guys like Ceci and Maattaa don't?

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Freitag
If we trade back, I hope we pick Zemgus Girgensons.

I have Girgensons on my "do not select" list. I just haven't seen anything that screams high end with him. In a draft this deep on the blue line (with our noted needs there) I just don't see how we can pick a forward who doesn't have any "elite" attributes in the first round.

thestonedkoala 06-22-2012 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidz (Post 51226167)
No, I don't think teams are worried that Grigorenko will keel over dead during the middle of a hockey game.

Truthfully; did you know Cherepanov had that medical condition?

Because even his team doctors didn't know:

Quote:

In other words, if Cherepanov suffered from ischemia Dr. Colucci and other medical people in North America believe it would have shown up when Cherepanov was medically tested at the NHL Scouting Combine in June of 2007, just before the NHL entry draft, or in the fall of 2007, when he attended the New York Rangers' development camp.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=252684

His condition probably would have been leaked out sooner at the combine if they had detected it.

He slid because of the lack of a transfer agreement.

I feel Grigs is going to suffer for better or worse due to this like Cherepanov and slide out of the top 10.

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr Jan Itor (Post 51226403)
So what does Koekkoek bring that guys like Ceci and Maattaa don't?

If Koekkoek hadn't suffered that shoulder injury (and judging from the combine, it's fully healed) and continued producing as he had been, he'd be discussed as a top 5 pick. I think it was Dan talking about him as "the forgotten prospect." Anything more I can say would just be rehashing this FRB article on him.

Kari Takko 06-22-2012 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidz (Post 51226421)
I have Girgensons on my "do not select" list. I just haven't seen anything that screams high end with him. In a draft this deep on the blue line (with our noted needs there) I just don't see how we can pick a forward who doesn't have any "elite" attributes in the first round.

Skating, physicality, and compete are all elite. He's got good dangle and an above average shot. There are a lot of D-men in the draft, and if we trade back for washington's picks, we'd be able to pick Skjei, Matheson, Finn, Koekkek etc.

Dr Jan Itor 06-22-2012 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidz (Post 51226497)
If Koekkoek hadn't suffered that shoulder injury (and judging from the combine, it's fully healed) and continued producing as he had been, he'd be discussed as a top 5 pick. I think it was Dan talking about him as "the forgotten prospect." Anything more I can say would just be rehashing this FRB article on him.

Gotcha. Didn't see the 'games played' column

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo (Post 51226427)
Truthfully; did you know Cherepanov had that medical condition?

Because even his team doctors didn't know:



http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=252684

His condition probably would have been leaked out sooner at the combine if they had detected it.

He slid because of the lack of a transfer agreement.

I feel Grigs is going to suffer for better or worse due to this like Cherepanov and slide out of the top 10.

The issue with Cherepanov comparisons is two-fold: Any discussion is tainted by the tragedy of what happened and there's plenty of reason to think he may have ended up playing for the Rangers eventually. It's impossible to say whether he would have stayed in Russia or not because of what happened.

thestonedkoala 06-22-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Freitag (Post 51226523)
Skating, physicality, and compete are all elite. He's got good dangle and an above average shot. There are a lot of D-men in the draft, and if we trade back for washington's picks, we'd be able to pick Skjei, Matheson, Finn, Koekkek etc.

Maatta and Koekkoek would be awesome!

GopherState 06-22-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fel 96 (Post 51226347)
One important thing: there will be a low tolerance for flaming/trolling here. Thanks for your understanding!

Reiterating this. When your guy isn't chosen or favorite player is traded, take a deep breath before posting.

Sportsfan1 06-22-2012 12:27 AM

What's funny is last year i wanted to draft forward and was like Brodin who? Now i'm sure it'll be dman and wouldn't shock me at all to see them go forward. ;)

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Freitag (Post 51226523)
Skating, physicality, and compete are all elite. He's got good dangle and an above average shot. There are a lot of D-men in the draft, and if we trade back for washington's picks, we'd be able to pick Skjei, Matheson, Finn, Koekkek etc.

Skjei is also on my "do not select" list. Matheson is a 2nd rounder.

If we move back to Washington's (or Buffalo's) picks I'd like to see Koekkoek and (if available) Collberg or another defenseman. There's plenty of good skaters with physicality. Also, to me, compete level can be a reason to not draft someone (as in a lack of it) but never really a reason to go with someone other than as a tie-break between very close prospects. I'm just not a fan of Zemgus (that goes triple for Tom Wilson).

NHL1674 06-22-2012 12:31 AM

In honor of draft day. Bettman's response never gets old.



Demo :cry:

Kari Takko 06-22-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidz (Post 51226675)
Skjei is also on my "do not select" list. Matheson is a 2nd rounder.

If we move back to Washington's (or Buffalo's) picks I'd like to see Koekkoek and (if available) Collberg or another defenseman. There's plenty of good skaters with physicality. Also, to me, compete level can be a reason to not draft someone (as in a lack of it) but never really a reason to go with someone other than as a tie-break between very close prospects. I'm just not a fan of Zemgus (that goes triple for Tom Wilson).

I guess we'll disagree on this one, which is fine since it's all hypothetical anyway. I don't think we'll trade back, but hopefully we'll trade up into the early 2nd/late 1st.

Fel 96 06-22-2012 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHL1674 (Post 51226775)
demo :cry:

R.I.P. :cry:

thestonedkoala 06-22-2012 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by squidz (Post 51226551)
The issue with Cherepanov comparisons is two-fold: Any discussion is tainted by the tragedy of what happened and there's plenty of reason to think he may have ended up playing for the Rangers eventually. It's impossible to say whether he would have stayed in Russia or not because of what happened.

But again; Cherepanov slid because teams didn't want to take that uncertainty. There was a strong possibility he would have come over to play for the Rangers. But given the situation and lack of transfer agreement, a lot of teams are asking, can we afford to risk a top 10 pick for a guy that might not want to put the work in and head over to Russia for more money, more fame, and being at home? It's a legitimate question.

I mean if Grigs gets set down to the AHL for a year or two...what will his reaction be? For all this talk about how he's over in North America, teams will look at Filatov and Radulov and think...They were over here, they played but they left.

thestonedkoala 06-22-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fel 96 (Post 51226809)
R.I.P. :cry:

That trade helped both teams.

I miss Demitra, Zholtok and Boogaard so much.

Fel 96 06-22-2012 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo (Post 51226849)
I miss Demitra, Zholtok and Boogaard so much.

Who doesn't?

They were awesome.

GopherState 06-22-2012 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo (Post 51226849)
That trade helped both teams.

I miss Demitra, Zholtok and Boogaard so much.

For a young organization Minnesota has way too much tragedy.

thestonedkoala 06-22-2012 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fel 96 (Post 51226887)
Who doesn't?

They were awesome.

Poor Demitra...he was so abused by DR here.

"But I don't want to play center!"

"YOU'LL PLAY CENTER AND LIKE IT!"

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the8bandarmadillo (Post 51226813)
But again; Cherepanov slid because teams didn't want to take that uncertainty. There was a strong possibility he would have come over to play for the Rangers. But given the situation and lack of transfer agreement, a lot of teams are asking, can we afford to risk a top 10 pick for a guy that might not want to put the work in and head over to Russia for more money, more fame, and being at home? It's a legitimate question.

I mean if Grigs gets set down to the AHL for a year or two...what will his reaction be? For all this talk about how he's over in North America, teams will look at Filatov and Radulov and think...They were over here, they played but they left.

Radulov is a meaningful comparison, but Filatov is out of the NHL because he wasn't good enough. Even the Radulov comparison is a stretch because of all the different issues surrounding his fleeing to Russia as well as his eventual (temporary) return. The AHL question is likely moot with Grigs anyway because of the CHL transfer rules.

Ultimately, Grigs could end up falling, but it'll have everything to do with questions about his character and his playoff no-show (although he had mono and an ankle sprain) and next to nothing to do with the KHL. If it weren't for those things, then Malkin would be the most relevant draft comparison.

Kari Takko 06-22-2012 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NHL1674 (Post 51226775)
In honor of draft day. Bettman's response never gets old.



Demo :cry:

The lost component in this trade was/is Trevor Lewis, who has his name on the Stanley Cup now. The kid had 9 points in 20 playoff games this year, after only 7 in 72 regular season games.

squidz* 06-22-2012 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timothy Freitag (Post 51226989)
The lost component in this trade was/is Trevor Lewis, who has his name on the Stanley Cup now. The kid had 9 points in 20 playoff games this year, after only 7 in 72 regular season games.

To be fair, he was the 4th line center for the team. He could end up being Stoll's replacement next year though I suppose. For a 17th overall pick you'd think that would probably be a bit of a disappointment.

Some other 17th overalls:

Parise
Hanzal
Gardiner
Rundblad

Dr Jan Itor 06-22-2012 12:42 AM

So...

Step 1: trade down to #11 and #16
Step 2: draft Ceci and Koekkoek
Step 3: draft McCabe at #46
Step 4: trade 3rd and 4th rounders to move back into late 2nd
Step 5: draft Kulak

Add them to Brodin, Scandella, Spurgeon, Seeler and Cuma and see who sticks. Bam. Defensive depth solved.

Northland Wild Man 06-22-2012 12:42 AM

*sigh*

I'll be watching both days of the draft from my cubicle. :shakehead


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