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dballislife2 06-25-2012 06:01 PM

Current forward group
 
Lupul Bozak Kessel
JVR Grab Kulemin
Mac Con Frattin
Armstrong Steckel Brown
Kadri
Lambo
Komarov

How do our forwards look so far? Is it good enough if no changes made? Obviously we need a 1C, to drop bozak down to 3 and get rid of connolly, easier said then done...second line looks beautiful...would love kadri on that 3rd line, but regardless of him or mac i think we need a bigger and grittier LW with con/bozak and frattin, Penner would be near perfect...imo armstrong steckel and brown make up a very strong 4th line with size, grit and energy

Stephen 06-25-2012 06:04 PM

Looks like it's getting slowly upgraded, but we do need one more big trade to solidify the whole thing, either a high profile one for one like Schenn for JVR with a better defenseman going and center coming back like Gardiner for Duchene for example, or a quantity package for a Jordan Staal type deal, or the major coming out party of a Colborne or Kadri. I think then I could start getting excited about the forward group.

Kessely Snipes 06-25-2012 06:05 PM

I still think they need a physical player, maybe one with a mean streak who can also actually play on a third line.

Someone like Steve Ott comes to mind for example.

Edit: Of course a number one center as well.

Anthrax442 06-25-2012 06:08 PM

They need a serious upgrade on the 1st and 3rd line Centre position.

Bravid Nonahan 06-25-2012 06:09 PM

This is what I want to see going into next season, based on the assumption that we cannot find ourselves a centre.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kadri
Kulemin - Connolly - Frattin
Prust - Steckel - Komarov
(Brown, Ashton, Colborne)

Leaving: Lombardi, Armstrong, MacArthur

contour 06-25-2012 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Amazing Ralph (Post 51518933)
This is what I want to see going into next season, based on the assumption that we cannot find ourselves a centre.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kadri
Kulemin - Connolly - Frattin
Prust - Steckel - Komarov
(Brown, Ashton, Colborne)

Leaving: Lombardi, Armstrong, MacArthur

What's the point of Prust? We have Rosehill and Orr waiting down at minors.

crump 06-25-2012 06:26 PM

Still need some size/toughness added.


Potential. Lineup if they threw JVR at centre

Lupul - JVR. - Kessel
MacArthur - Grabovski - Frattin
Kulemin - Connolly - Kadri
Brown - Steckel - Armstrong

Bozak
Lombardi
Colborne
D'Amigo
Komarov

Trades a comin

Kessely Snipes 06-25-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Amazing Ralph (Post 51518933)
This is what I want to see going into next season, based on the assumption that we cannot find ourselves a centre.

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kadri
Kulemin - Connolly - Frattin
Prust - Steckel - Komarov
(Brown, Ashton, Colborne)

Leaving: Lombardi, Armstrong, MacArthur

That seems about right. It would be cool if we signed Prust. I see Macarthur as a possible odd man out in the top 6 as well.

CerebralDevil 06-25-2012 06:33 PM

YEP and trade is definately commin!!

Leafidelity 06-25-2012 06:35 PM

When you see just how many forwards we have realistically looking at NHL work, I'd agree some trades are coming.

Suntouchable13 06-25-2012 06:42 PM

I am never going to like it with Bozak in the 1 hole.

MoreMogilny 06-25-2012 06:43 PM

If we do not add anyone else this offseason, I could see this:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin/Kadri
Kulemin - Connolly - MacArthur
Brown - Steckel - Armstrong

Spares:

Lombardi
Kadri/Frattin

Really tough to make a lineup. There should definitely be some movement. Guys like Lombardi, Armstrong, and MacArthur could find new homes.

What I'd like to see next season:

Lupul - XXXX - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kadri - Connolly - Kulemin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

If we can somehow pick up a top line calibre center, we'd have a pretty deep looking offense.

Eb 06-25-2012 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kessely Snipes (Post 51518741)
I still think they need a physical player, maybe one with a mean streak who can also actually play on a third line.

Someone like Steve Ott comes to mind for example.

Edit: Of course a number one center as well.

Moen (Free Agent, won cup with Burke and Carlyle)

Anthrax442 06-25-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suntouchable13 (Post 51520647)
I am never going to like it with Bozak in the 1 hole.

That's what she said.

Eb 06-25-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreMogilny (Post 51520663)
If we do not add anyone else this offseason, I could see this:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin/Kadri
Kulemin - Connolly - MacArthur
Brown - Steckel - Armstrong

Spares:

Lombardi
Kadri/Frattin

Really tough to make a lineup. There should definitely be some movement. Guys like Lombardi, Armstrong, and MacArthur could find new homes.

What I'd like to see next season:

Lupul - XXXX - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kadri - Connolly - Kulemin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

If we can somehow pick up a top line calibre center, we'd have a pretty deep looking offense.

Switch Frattin and Kadri. Have Frattin and Kuli ever played together?

calcal798 06-25-2012 07:05 PM

With what we have right now, this is what I'd wish to see:

Lupol-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Grabo-Frattin
Kuli-Bozak-Connolly
Komarov-Steckel-Brown

What we'll probably see

Lupol-Bozak-Kessel
JvR-Grabo-Kadri
Kuli-Connolly-Frattin
Komarov-Steckel-Brown

I know the first one is very unlikely, but I'm hoping Kadri has a big summer and comes into camp impressing everyone and earns that spot. TBH an extended summer would probably be good for him and let him have that summer.

Briecheeze 06-25-2012 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoreMogilny (Post 51520663)
What I'd like to see next season:

Lupul - XXXX - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Frattin
Kadri - Connolly - Kulemin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown

If we can somehow pick up a top line calibre center, we'd have a pretty deep looking offense.

Easier said than done, but I'd rather see Lombardi than Connolly on the third line.

That said, not sure whether Burke is going to go all-out to get that checking line that Carlyle loves to use. (Remember Burke's introductory press conference, where he said he had a clear line of demarcation between top and bottom-six forwards?)

I don't see Kadri or Connolly in that role at all (Connolly played the shutdown role occasionally last season, but he's not quite physical enough for Carlyle's liking)... and I have a feeling that it's either Frattin OR Kadri up this season, not both, unless Carlyle feels that Frattin has the size to be on his third line.

Anyone else think JVR might end up going back to C?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eb (Post 51520795)
Switch Frattin and Kadri. Have Frattin and Kuli ever played together?

Frattin and Kuli were occasionally on the 2nd line together last year when Wilson was shuffling lines back and forth.

wreckingcru 06-25-2012 07:07 PM

I think as of right now, Burke is trying to get Lu, and trying to get Schultz to sign here.

dballislife2 06-25-2012 07:53 PM

what im hoping for is

lupul - (any upgrade over bozak) - kessel
JVR - grabo - kule
size and grit - bozak - frattin
arm - steckel - brown

mac, lambo, and connolly...trade them for crap, bury in minors, i dont care...i rather start kadri or colb at 1C, or have ashton at LF on 3rd then have these 3 on team

seanlinden 06-25-2012 08:34 PM

I'm hesitant to say this, but with the addition of JvR, the Leafs probably do have most of what they need up front to compete for a playoff spot.

Assuming JvR can stay healthy and continue developing (specifically in the power forward aspects of the game), he should supplant Joffrey Lupul as Kessel's winger and help get our top unit's +/- to a much more respectable level (simply by virtue of that line spending more time in the offensive zone). That in turn may actually allow Tim Connolly to thrive in an increased role.

A similar story for Nikolai Kulemin, who if he can regain his confidence would hopefully find similar success to what he, MacArthur and Grabovski had in 2010-2011.

That being said, you look at the group, and we probably have at least 2 too many. Both Frattin & Kadri have to play, and assuming the 4th line is Brown-Steckel-Armstrong, that leaves only 1 spot on the wings. You've also got Matt Lombardi, who doesn't seem to fit in anywhere either. I think they're also a little bit short on the physicality to play a Randy Carlyle game.

If Steve Ott or Brenden Morrow are available, they'd really be the perfect addition. Ship Mac & Kadri out... and you've got something like this:

JvR-Connolly-Kessel
Lupul-Grabovski-Kulemin
Morrow-Bozak-Frattin
Brown-Steckel-Army

To me at least, that's a lineup that may not have the starpower, but isn't one you look forward to playing on any given night. You've got explosive players with quick-strike ability throughout the lineup, along with some size that makes it difficult to sit back against them. No real defensive liabilities either. Very difficult to defend against because unlike last year's team, they can beat you in different ways.... not entirely reliant on scoring off the rush.

Terrence 06-25-2012 08:42 PM

Assuming no changes are made:

Lupul - Bozak - Kessel
JvR - Grabovski - MacArthur
Kulemin - Connolly - Frattin
Komarov - Steckel - Brown
Lombardi/Armstrong

Kadri in AHL until a spot opens up.

IMO

WildcatMapleLeafs28 06-25-2012 08:49 PM

Move Lombardi, Connelly and add Gaustad. I think he would bring much more to the team even though Connelly would put up more numbers..Physical, good faceoffs, mean streak , finishes checks, works hard, willing to fight.. Imo, he would be a great fit for our 3rd line..

mokspeed 06-25-2012 08:50 PM

Lupul - Connolly (then Bozak if TC fails) - Kessel
JVR - Grabo - Kadri
Kuli - Bozak/Connolly - Frattin
Armstrong/UFA(Prust/Parros) - Steckel - Brown

I think both Kadri and Frattin will be up next season. I also think IF Connolly stays healthy (that's a big IF), he may be able to get some chemistry going with Lups and Kessel. Kadri isn't big enough to play on the 3rd line - nor is he good enough at checking. I can see MacA and Lombo getting traded - probs have Armstrong in the pressbox.

leafobserver 06-25-2012 09:25 PM

It's amazing seeing the leafs having so much money (MacArthur/Armstrong/Connolly/Lombardi) tied up in 4 players that don't have/warrant a spot on the team...this doesn't even include Komi on the backend!

$14,500,000.00 tied up in those 4! Just imagine what we could do with that money...hmmm

If the leafs of the (very near) future can find a way to move 2/5 mentioned above, I'll be happy...lowered expectations.

Terrence 06-25-2012 09:37 PM

A 20 goal scorer doesn't have/warrant a spot on the team. Heh.


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