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alissa 07-04-2012 02:19 PM

Paul Stastny+ for Joe Colborne+
 
Looking for thoughts on this. Would Colorado do this? Would Toronto? Does this actually help both clubs long term? Would any other team step up and pay more than this for Stastny?

Colorado Avalanche acquire:
C Joe Colborne, 22, $0.875M x 1
W Nikolai Kulemin, 26, RFA
W Clarke MacArthur, 27, $3.25M x 1

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
C Paul Stastny, 26, $6.6M x 2
W Milan Hejduk, 36, $2.0M x 1 (Colorado's option to include him or not)

--------------------------
Colorado:
-Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly gives Colorado three top-2 centers.
-Stastny has had back-to-back disappointing seasons (0.72PPG, previous 4 seasons 0.96PPG)
-Colorado adds youth, grit and a solid prospect who can play 2nd/3rd line center for 10+ years.

Toronto:
-Takes a gamble on Stastny with a high cap hit and average numbers the last two seasons. But he was an elite playmaking point-producer prior to that and is still young.
-Gives up a good prospect in Colborne, but with Stastny and Grabovski the Leafs are set at center for the next 5 years.

Colorado Avalanche:
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Lupul Stastny Kessel
JVR Grabovski Frattin
Kadri McClement Hejduk
Brown Steckel Lombardi

TheFactor 07-04-2012 02:20 PM

Lol what a joke

Prairie Habs 07-04-2012 02:21 PM

Makes no sense for Colorado.

BrickAHL 07-04-2012 02:23 PM

Makes sense for the Avs

:help:

Muffin 07-04-2012 02:23 PM

Why would you want to trade Colborne? He's already better than Stastny ever will be.

PsychoDad 07-04-2012 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alissa (Post 52109117)
Looking for thoughts on this. Would Colorado do this? Would Toronto? Does this actually help both clubs long term? Would any other team step up and pay more than this for Stastny?

Colorado Avalanche acquire:
C Joe Colborne, 22, $0.875M x 1
W Nikolai Kulemin, 26, RFA
W Clarke MacArthur, 27, $3.25M x 1

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
C Paul Stastny, 26, $6.6M x 2
W Milan Hejduk, 36, $2.0M x 1 (Colorado's option to include him or not)

--------------------------
Colorado:
-Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly gives Colorado three top-2 centers.
-Stastny has had back-to-back disappointing seasons (0.72PPG, previous 4 seasons 0.96PPG)
-Colorado adds youth, grit and a solid prospect who can play 2nd/3rd line center for 10+ years.

Toronto:
-Takes a gamble on Stastny with a high cap hit and average numbers the last two seasons. But he was an elite playmaking point-producer prior to that and is still young.
-Gives up a good prospect in Colborne, but with Stastny and Grabovski the Leafs are set at center for the next 5 years.

Colorado Avalanche:
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Lupul Stastny Kessel
JVR Grabovski Frattin
Kadri McClement Hejduk
Brown Steckel Lombardi

Who exactly is saying that Colborne is a surefire NHL center at all, let alone a 2nd line center for 10 years to come? If his career keeps stalling he will be out of hockey in 3 years, he is rich and has better things to do than riding bus in the AHL.

Ivan13 07-04-2012 02:23 PM

Duke's not going anywhere, he's a lifer and we don't need more top 9 wingers we need star wingers or 1st pairing d-man.

Xgp 07-04-2012 02:24 PM

LOLwut

Ashley 07-04-2012 02:24 PM

Is Sherman tired of his job?

Muffin 07-04-2012 02:25 PM

Ask yourself, would you rather have:

Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew

OR

McGinn-Stastny-Jones
Landeskog-O'Reilly-Downie
Hejduk-Duchene-Parenteau
McLeod-Mitchell-Kobasew

kamosko 07-04-2012 02:26 PM

Wow that's a lot from the Leafs, although that's something it would take.

They get two very good wingers and a solid C prospect, imagine a Landeskog - O'Reilly - Kulemin line.. Defensive beasts.

Novacane 07-04-2012 02:27 PM

I lol'ed.

Avs44 07-04-2012 02:27 PM

Lol, this is pathetic. And we have to add????? We finally have enough good wingers to run three scoring lines with our three centers. No need for Kulmein or Mac. McGinn on the 4th line is an utter waste.

McGinn-Stastny-Jones
Hedjuk-Duchene-Parenteau
Landeskog-O'Reilly-Downie
McLeod-Mitchell-Kobasew

Looks a ton better than

Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew


OP put no thought into the Avs needs at all. Typical. Leafs get their center, Avs get a bunch of pieces we have no interest in. The Avs have no problem with Stastny's contract, and we are more than happy to have three good scoring lines. Huge no from Avs.

JoemAvs 07-04-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamosko99 (Post 52109751)
Wow that's a lot from the Leafs, although that's something it would take.

They get two very good wingers and a solid C prospect, imagine a Landeskog - O'Reilly - Kulemin line.. Defensive beasts.

That is not a lot that is a joke.

we dont need your depth players.

If you don't want to give up one of Gardiner, Kessel or Reilly you should stop proposing trades for Stastny....

Avs44 07-04-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamosko99 (Post 52109751)
Wow that's a lot from the Leafs, although that's something it would take.

They get two very good wingers and a solid C prospect, imagine a Landeskog - O'Reilly - Kulemin line.. Defensive beasts.

:laugh: This would not even get consideration from the Avs. Stop flattering yourself. No interested whatsoever.

Goulet17 07-04-2012 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamosko99 (Post 52109751)
Wow that's a lot from the Leafs, although that's something it would take.

They get two very good wingers and a solid C prospect, imagine a Landeskog - O'Reilly - Kulemin line.. Defensive beasts.

I assume your post was intended as a healthy dose of sarcasm.

PsychoDad 07-04-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kamosko99 (Post 52109751)
Wow that's a lot from the Leafs, although that's something it would take.

They get two very good wingers and a solid C prospect, imagine a Landeskog - O'Reilly - Kulemin line.. Defensive beasts.

Kulemin and MacArthur had 27 goals in 143 games combined last season. Pretty much a definition of not a good winger I guess... Colborne had like 10 points in last 40 season games in the AHL too. Thats really a lot from leafs for these Stastny and Hejduk scrubs.

Blue Dragon 07-04-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alissa (Post 52109117)
Looking for thoughts on this. Would Colorado do this? Would Toronto? Does this actually help both clubs long term? Would any other team step up and pay more than this for Stastny?

Colorado Avalanche acquire:
C Joe Colborne, 22, $0.875M x 1
W Nikolai Kulemin, 26, RFA
W Clarke MacArthur, 27, $3.25M x 1

Toronto Maple Leafs acquire:
C Paul Stastny, 26, $6.6M x 2
W Milan Hejduk, 36, $2.0M x 1 (Colorado's option to include him or not)

--------------------------
Colorado:
-Stastny, Duchene and O'Reilly gives Colorado three top-2 centers.
-Stastny has had back-to-back disappointing seasons (0.72PPG, previous 4 seasons 0.96PPG)
-Colorado adds youth, grit and a solid prospect who can play 2nd/3rd line center for 10+ years.

Toronto:
-Takes a gamble on Stastny with a high cap hit and average numbers the last two seasons. But he was an elite playmaking point-producer prior to that and is still young.
-Gives up a good prospect in Colborne, but with Stastny and Grabovski the Leafs are set at center for the next 5 years.

Colorado Avalanche:
Landeskog Duchene Parenteau
Jones O'Reilly Downie
MacArthur Colborne Kulemin
McGinn Mitchell Kobasew

Toronto Maple Leafs:
Lupul Stastny Kessel
JVR Grabovski Frattin
Kadri McClement Hejduk
Brown Steckel Lombardi

Makes no sense for the Avs for 3 reasons:
1) We take a large downgrade at center for wingers I am not sure are better than what we already have.
2) Hejduk has a full No Movement Clause and doesn't want to leave the only NHL franchise he has known.
3) Colorado's main needs are a top pairing D or an ELITE goalscoring winger.

nmbr_24 07-04-2012 02:30 PM

If the Avs were looking to make themselves worse, this would definitely do it :)

alissa 07-04-2012 02:30 PM

OKAY so that was a FAIL
 
Okay. Looks like real quickly it's clear that Avs fans aren't liking this deal at ALL.

What if it is:

Nazem Kadri, Matt Frattin, Clarke MacArthur

Kadri is a better prospect than Colborne, Frattin is viewed as higher potential than Kulemin.

In which case maybe this whole trade should just be Kadri and Frattin for Stastny.

JoemAvs 07-04-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alissa (Post 52110113)
Okay. Looks like real quickly it's clear that Avs fans aren't liking this deal at ALL.

What if it is:

Nazem Kadri, Matt Frattin, Clarke MacArthur

Kadri is a better prospect than Colborne, Frattin is viewed as higher potential than Kulemin.

In which case maybe this whole trade should just be Kadri and Frattin for Stastny.

Still no interest at all.

We need a top pairing dman (LD) to play with EJ or a Top line sniper.

If we don't get one of that , giving up Stastny makes no sense at all.

Neither Kadri nor Frattin are or have the potential to be a top line sniper. So this offer sucks.

PsychoDad 07-04-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alissa (Post 52110113)
Okay. Looks like real quickly it's clear that Avs fans aren't liking this deal at ALL.

What if it is:

Nazem Kadri, Matt Frattin, Clarke MacArthur

Kadri is a better prospect than Colborne, Frattin is viewed as higher potential than Kulemin.

In which case maybe this whole trade should just be Kadri and Frattin for Stastny.

Really? :shakehead

alissa 07-04-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Dragon (Post 52110071)
Makes no sense for the Avs for 3 reasons:
1) We take a large downgrade at center for wingers I am not sure are better than what we already have.
2) Hejduk has a full No Movement Clause and doesn't want to leave the only NHL franchise he has known.
3) Colorado's main needs are a top pairing D or an ELITE goalscoring winger.

1) You're right. It sounds like Colorado is happy keeping the three centers at this time?

2) I thought about that, he was drafted by Quebec in 1994. Has seen ups, downs, and Cups. I can't see him ever wanting to move now.

3) Yeah a top LW is a need for them I agree.

BrickAHL 07-04-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alissa (Post 52110113)
Okay. Looks like real quickly it's clear that Avs fans aren't liking this deal at ALL.

What if it is:

Nazem Kadri, Matt Frattin, Clarke MacArthur

Kadri is a better prospect than Colborne, Frattin is viewed as higher potential than Kulemin.

In which case maybe this whole trade should just be Kadri and Frattin for Stastny.

Still no chance.

WarriorOfGandhi 07-04-2012 02:34 PM

the asking price on Stastny is Bozak, Komisarek, and a 4th. If you Leafs fans don't want to give up that package fine, but this is the asking price and not a penny less. We need established top-line talent coming back, not scrubs and salary dumps and mid picks.


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