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KenWu 07-04-2012 04:47 PM

Around The League - Hockey is back!
 
Doesn't seem like anyone is going to sign Jason Blake with him being 39 in September. Is he going to announce his retirement or what? I do think though he has some juice left.

Unholy 07-04-2012 04:50 PM

Around The League - Free Agent 'Frenzy' Edition
 
Well seems that changed the thread maker to him. Oh well.

Elvs 07-04-2012 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KenWu (Post 52120087)
Doesn't seem like anyone is going to sign Jason Blake with him being 39 in September. Is he going to announce his retirement or what? I do think though he has some juice left.

He could probably be a 4th line energy winger somewhere, but I think teams would rather try out a prospect in that role. And unlike an equally old Knuble, he doesn't have the size that teams could be looking to add for their 4th line. I think Blake is unlikely to land a contract somewhere to be honest. Cudos to him if he does though.

Spicy Porkins 07-04-2012 05:13 PM

It's only been a few days. Not to mention the CBA uncertainty, and the likelihood that there'll be some holdouts and some training camp injuries that could open a spot for him later in the summer. I'd wait, if I were Blake.

Seanconn* 07-04-2012 05:20 PM

im sure he could go play in the KHL... he'd probably do pretty well over there.

Exit Dose 07-04-2012 05:27 PM

If he wanted to stay in the organization, I wouldn't mind giving him a good AHL contract. Maybe let him know that he'll have a job in our organization if he retires. Blake was a good guy.

Sojourn 07-04-2012 05:47 PM

Wow. It's been a hell of a day for Minnesota. Good for them.

DarthYenik 07-04-2012 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Sojourn (Post 52123583)
Wow. It's been a hell of a day for Minnesota. Good for them.

Yeah, other than Anaheim (with Suter at least) I'm glad they went to a team like the Wild, as opposed to Detroit or Pittsburgh. I like both those teams, but the Wild actually need those guys.

2faded 07-04-2012 07:03 PM

Wild's odds to win the cup instantly went from 100-1 to 20-1.

Gibsons Finest 07-04-2012 08:15 PM

Looking like Carle to TB, according to Dregs. Can't wait to see what kind of money he gets.

Lord Flashheart 07-04-2012 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Ryan Getzlaf (Post 52132067)
Looking like Carle to TB, according to Dregs. Can't wait to see what kind of money he gets.

My guess: 6m 6y.

Paul4587 07-04-2012 08:27 PM

Whoever gets him is in for a let down.

jeffl97 07-04-2012 08:29 PM

especially if they're paying 6 million as Zapp suggests.

edit: sounds like Tampa Bay is signing Carle.

Exit Dose 07-04-2012 08:44 PM

I think it'll be closer to what Garrison made; most likely a little more.

Lord Flashheart 07-04-2012 08:49 PM

Parise: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=773
Suter: http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1044

12+10
12+10
11+5

Ridiculous.

Twindad* 07-04-2012 08:55 PM

Matt Carle

$33m, $5.5M per.

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/sta...96059012329473

Paul4587 07-04-2012 09:00 PM

Ouch. $5.5M is a lot to pay a 4th defenseman. Tampa did desperately need a defenseman though.

Twindad* 07-04-2012 09:06 PM

Tampa did pay a lot, but it could work for them. We always look at the individual merit of a player who is to be signed or traded but some players tend to perform better with the right partner, that is where they really shine. Depending on his d partner, he may be well worth the dollars. But he could stink up the state of Florida as well.

I think he'll do well, and Tampa did need some help.

Hampe 07-04-2012 09:06 PM

Holy hell.

Glad we didn't go after Carle.

Eddie Shack 07-04-2012 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan (Post 52134381)

Somebody please explain to me how signing bonuses can be allowed but don't seem to count in the cap?

But this is the exact kind of **** the next CBA has to stop. How many teams can really afford to offer that?

Emerald Duck 07-04-2012 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Shack (Post 52138033)
Somebody please explain to me how signing bonuses can be allowed but don't seem to count in the cap?

But this is the exact kind of **** the next CBA has to stop. How many teams can really afford to offer that?

And what about those bogus last 3 years on their contracts ? Looks like cap circumvention to me :rant:

Hopefully the next CBA will eliminate the average salary scam against the cap. A team's salary budget against the cap should equal salary outlay in any given year. If you want to sign players to a $10M +12M signing bonus in the first year, then all the money should count against the current year cap :nod:

snarktacular 07-04-2012 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Zapp Brannigan (Post 52134381)

I don't think that's how it works. I think the 12 million in year 1 includes the 10 million in signing bonus. Not sure though.

I do know that the cap hit in the end should be the sum of all years + sum of all signing bonus divided by the term. In other words, everything is averaged out.

Looking at that page, if you total out the "NHL salary" column, it adds up to 98 million, and 98 million / 13 = the 7.538. Making it look like the signing bonus is not counted. But it is counted. So that must mean in year 1 he makes 2 million salary and 10 million signing bonus.

Which is actually kind of expected, considering the possiblity of a lockout. That way he gets paid even if there is a lockout.

Eddie Shack 07-04-2012 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by snarktacular (Post 52143081)
I don't think that's how it works. I think the 12 million in year 1 includes the 10 million in signing bonus. Not sure though.

I do know that the cap hit in the end should be the sum of all years + sum of all signing bonus divided by the term. In other words, everything is averaged out.

Looking at that page, if you total out the "NHL salary" column, it adds up to 98 million, and 98 million / 13 = the 7.538. Making it look like the signing bonus is not counted. But it is counted. So that must mean in year 1 he makes 2 million salary and 10 million signing bonus.

Which is actually kind of expected, considering the possiblity of a lockout. That way he gets paid even if there is a lockout.

What you say makes sense, but then why do they list $12M as "NHL Salary"? Salary isn't the same as bonus. Or certainly shouldn't be.

But even if the bonus is part of the 12M it is still a crazy contract that very few teams can offer. Without a doubt it is cap circumvention, but likely within the previously established allowable limits. Still BS.

Paul4587 07-04-2012 11:25 PM

The bonus is part of the $12M. And yeah, it's blatant cap cirumvention but anyone that wants to sign one of the top guys has to do it nowdays.

Eddie Shack 07-04-2012 11:51 PM

These contracts are another example of owners needing to be saved from themselves. Most are disasters and even when the player is still good (Luongo) you just can't predict the future and how a team's plans can change, leaving them in a bind with a contract almost nobody else wants. But I fehr (pun intended) the PA won't give in easily. I'm beginning to smell a lockout.


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