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BVicious 07-04-2012 11:12 PM

Dennis Wideman
 
What do u expect from him next year? And the next 4 after that. This reminds me of the Sarich signing in a way when he signed his first long term deal with us.

Expectations are different, cuz they are completely different players, obviously.
I'm gonna say I expect him to have a career year. He's playing with better Dmen in Gio and JBo. I already like our coach more than Washingtons last 2. And our PP did get better when Cammy came back, now we get him all year.

I want 50+ points from him and can live with a -10. I also want the minutes more spread out instead of mass minutes given out to few. I don't think this out of the question and it's def possible it can happen.

I can't see him being any worse than Dion in his final years with us.

TheHudlinator 07-04-2012 11:19 PM

35-40 points and around 20ish pp points.

SB47 07-04-2012 11:23 PM

I think he will be a good point producer and an ok D-man. But one thing I would like to say is that once he puts up points we will appreciate his contract more and more.

Xelstyle 07-05-2012 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by SB47 (Post 52144775)
I think he will be a good point producer and an ok D-man. But one thing I would like to say is that once he puts up points we will appreciate his contract more and more.

Yes.

drewskiv 07-05-2012 03:04 AM

40 - 50 points and -5 would be nice 27 pp 14 goals

brewski1810 07-05-2012 08:45 AM

Carle signed for 6 yrs, 33 million, so widemans cap hit looks fairly decent, I expect 35- 40 points, 7-8 pp goals

InfinityIggy 07-05-2012 10:39 AM

Less than 45 points and ill be disappointed. Guy is 1 dimensional and he got that got that contract for one reason. So he better produce.

Trae 07-05-2012 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52158675)
Less than 45 points and ill be disappointed. Guy is 1 dimensional and he got that got that contract for one reason. So he better produce.

This.

If he gets under 40 points, it's a failure. I could see that happening in Sutter's system but I hope all this hype about our new offensive coach is true and Wideman excels like he never has before.

Xelstyle 07-05-2012 11:45 AM

Couldn't the guy get 39 points and give some decent D? :sarcasm:

Stewie Griffin 07-05-2012 11:59 AM

As long as he doesn't pull an Anders Eriksson and cough up the puck for the game losing goal on opening night, he might be okay.

Oh, and 40 points would be nice too.

The Hendog 07-05-2012 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52158675)
Less than 45 points and ill be disappointed. Guy is 1 dimensional and he got that got that contract for one reason. So he better produce.

I agree 100%

He is getting paid the big bucks now and will be put into an offensive system built around him succeeding

Better produce or HF boards will have a new top contender in the worst contract category (Gomez contract is almost over)

InfinityIggy 07-05-2012 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Xelstyle (Post 52162581)
Couldn't the guy get 39 points and give some decent D? :sarcasm:

If he plays decent D lol :laugh:

I have my doubts that he will though.

The Hendog 07-05-2012 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52164125)
If he plays decent D lol :laugh:

I have my doubts that he will though.

Depends who is paired with

I think he has to be paired with JBO or Gio but I am unsure which one of those guys makes Wideman a better defender

lefty2time* 07-05-2012 12:22 PM

He's not that good in his own zone....so he better put up points.
45 points is what i expect him to put up.

As long as he's not a TOTAL disaster in his own zone..he'll be worth what he gets paid.

I'm so sick of people saying that he's overpaid.

THIS IS WHAT SECOND PAIRING GUYS ARE WORTH THESE DAYS
Wideman, Garrison, Carle.....it may seem like a lot..but these guys are worth 5 million...people have to get used to it.

King In The North 07-05-2012 12:30 PM

Flamesarmstrong is that you?

InfinityIggy 07-05-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hendog (Post 52164357)
Depends who is paired with

I think he has to be paired with JBO or Gio but I am unsure which one of those guys makes Wideman a better defender

JBO for sure. Gio is fine by himself but he can't babysit like Jay. Who took care of Butler on the top pairing for most of the year.

InfinityIggy 07-05-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DopitaToDemitra (Post 52164913)
He's not that good in his own zone....so he better put up points.
45 points is what i expect him to put up.

As long as he's not a TOTAL disaster in his own zone..he'll be worth what he gets paid.

I'm so sick of people saying that he's overpaid.

THIS IS WHAT SECOND PAIRING GUYS ARE WORTH THESE DAYS
Wideman, Garrison, Carle.....it may seem like a lot..but these guys are worth 5 million...people have to get used to it.

No. Teams that draft, and get 2nd pairing guys internally pay around 4-4.5

Players have always gotten more in FA. They aren't worth 5+.

lefty2time* 07-05-2012 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52165393)
No. Teams that draft, and get 2nd pairing guys internally pay around 4-4.5

Players have always gotten more in FA. They aren't worth 5+.

Fair enough...if you go the UFA route you obviously have to pay a premium.

entry or 2nd lvl contracts can save you money too...but drafting and developing a player from scratch and having him get to UFA eligibility, you will still probably get a bit of a home discount.
maybe save a million?

BVicious 07-05-2012 12:45 PM

Denis Wideman can not be any worse in his own zone than:
Phanuef, Sarich, Babchuck, Pardy, etc.

We've guys get market prices and sucked. It's the way it is. If he produces points the contract is just fine.

MarkGio 07-05-2012 01:45 PM

I just realized that a certain Vicious poster is treading awfully close to armstrong22 in terms of threads.

InfinityIggy 07-05-2012 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BVicious (Post 52166273)
Denis Wideman can not be any worse in his own zone than:
Phanuef, Sarich, Babchuck, Pardy, etc.

We've guys get market prices and sucked. It's the way it is. If he produces points the contract is just fine.

One of these things is not like the others....

We sure aren't keeping him around for his offense.

BVicious 07-05-2012 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52172747)
One of these things is not like the others....

We sure aren't keeping him around for his offense.

I get that. He's a big body used to clear the front of the net. But he gets burned one on one a lot like Dion did, and his mobility is awful. He does bring an element with his size, but as far as clearing the zone, puck battles, etc. he isn't that great. Our options wet limited for the big body. I don't think Sutter was wrong for putting him on press box watch, but I think there are elements of his game this team will need and appreciate.

I like Sarich but I think he can be a defensive liability when players lose their fear of him and dangle the $hit outta him

The Hendog 07-05-2012 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by InfinityIggy (Post 52165333)
JBO for sure. Gio is fine by himself but he can't babysit like Jay. Who took care of Butler on the top pairing for most of the year.

Makes sense to me

So what are the D Pairings? I would prefer something like this as I think/want to give Brodie a chance so he can take it to the next level!
Butler takes a lot less minutes and hopefully he can develop as he was rushed and over played last year

JBO - Wideman
Gio - Brodie
Butler - Sarich
Smith

I Hate Chris Butler 07-10-2012 01:24 PM

50 points, 10 goals.

Stewie Griffin 07-10-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hendog (Post 52174511)
Makes sense to me

So what are the D Pairings? I would prefer something like this as I think/want to give Brodie a chance so he can take it to the next level!
Butler takes a lot less minutes and hopefully he can develop as he was rushed and over played last year

JBO - Wideman
Gio - Brodie
Butler - Sarich
Smith

I think you'll see pairings of:

Bouwmeester (1) / Butler (4)
Giordano (2) / Wideman (3)
Brodie (5) / Sarich (6)
x-Smith (7)

With actual ice time rank in brackets as you'll see Bouwmeester ,Wideman & Giordano get plenty of opportunity on the PP with a forward (Tanguay) playing the other point on one unit.


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