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davehamilton100 07-08-2012 10:00 AM

Leafs/Blues
 
Both teams have needs and depth to replace (immediate or soon to be) what they would be giving up to fill said needs. Plus, this summer stands to be one of multiple moves for many teams. (ie, follow up deals are likely.)

To STL: Gunnarsson + Kulemin + Rynnas + 2013 2nd + 2014 4th

To TOR: Halak + Stewart + Rattie + 2013 6th

Everyone will have opinions (some think Toronto gets too much, some St.Louis), but I feel both teams address needs here and gain valuable assets.

Pi 07-08-2012 10:03 AM

Why would St. Louis trade Halak, whose contract looks like a bargain right now?

Brian Elliott had a fluke year, he's not good goalie at all.

I'd overpay for 10 years of Halak over 4-5 years of Luongo but it's not that easy to get a goalie.

They just took a HUGE step ahead in winning their first playoff series in nearly a decade (that's even worse than us despite us not making the playoffs for like 7 years).

Defense wins championships, they've got a stud in Pietrangelo..I honestly don't think the Blues are that far from winning it all if Schwartz, Tarasenko etc develop nicely. They can be traded to get immediate help (like the Kings did with Richards, Carter etc).

If they trade Halak, they're not going to be as good and that's a trade they won't do.

CarvinSigX 07-08-2012 10:10 AM

It has been agreed upon that Stewart is worth at least Gunnarsson and a 2nd. IF they were available, do you really think you could get Halak AND Rattie for that?

Dolph Ziggler 07-08-2012 10:12 AM

St. Louis: [/click]

Dr Robot 07-08-2012 10:13 AM

There have been enough Tor/STL threads to know that these 2 teams just don't have anything that will work. Thanks for thinking of us but we decline.

davehamilton100 07-08-2012 10:13 AM

Alter the deal then. But I still see it as quite even.

mapes 07-08-2012 10:14 AM

Accepted :)

Pierre Dagenais 07-08-2012 10:19 AM

And nothing of value was traded to St Louis that day

Christmas Izzy 07-08-2012 10:21 AM

Halak=Rynnas&2ndpick&4thpick
Stewart>>>Gunnarson
Ty Rattie?Kulemin (hard to say, =?)

Anyway trade is already favoring the leafs without the pick. The only think here useful is Gunnarson because hes a lefty but this trade is an absolute no-go

davehamilton100 07-08-2012 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre Dagenais (Post 52293351)
And nothing of value was traded to St Louis that day

You're ridiculous. Gunnarsson has been seen as one of the most under-rated up and coming defenders in the league and Kulemin (with a bounce back year) has far more upside than the departing Stewart.

Nizdizzle 07-08-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarvinSigX (Post 52293135)
It has been agreed upon that Stewart is worth at least Gunnarsson and a 2nd. IF they were available, do you really think you could get Halak AND Rattie for that?

Although the OP's deal is tilted heavily in the Leafs favour, I wouldn't ever put much stock in what HF has "agreed" Leaf players are worth. The last few season HF has undersold almost every Leaf to be traded (Versteeg, Kaberle, Beauchemin, Schenn, hell even Lebda...)

Dolph Ziggler 07-08-2012 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davehamilton100 (Post 52293213)
Alter the deal then. But I still see it as quite even.

Ok first of all Halak is off the table. Nothing is going to make him available.

Kulemin has absolutely no place on this team. We have a surplus of wingers as it is.

If the Blues make a deal(which they really don't have to) it will moving a winger for a defenseman.

But before i offend any TML fans by saying nothing they can offer nets Halak, understand trading Halak means we go with the tandem of:

Brian Elliott- 1 good season

and either Mike McKenna or Jake Allen who have a whopping 17 games of NHL experience I believe between them.

Halak is untradable.

Christmas Izzy 07-08-2012 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davehamilton100 (Post 52293391)
You're ridiculous. Gunnarsson has been seen as one of the most under-rated up and coming defenders in the league and Kulemin (with a bounce back year) has far more upside than the departing Stewart.

Are you kidding? Kulemin can just have a bounceback year so why can't Stewart?

Stewart has put up 64 points, Kulemins put up 57. Stewart is tough and drops the gloves. He's also younger than Kulemin. What is Kulemins HUGE advantage over Stewart?

ManyIdeas 07-08-2012 10:29 AM

Nope.

The Grouch 07-08-2012 10:58 AM

This is horrible! I wish the Gunnarson to St. Louis proposals would stop!



Quote:

Originally Posted by davehamilton100 (Post 52292963)
Everyone will have opinions (some think Toronto gets too much, some St.Louis)...


No one thinks St. Louis "gets too much" in this proposal.

CerebralDevil 07-08-2012 11:05 AM

What about Connolley plus Mac for Stewart or
Bozak and Mac for Stewart

mapes 07-08-2012 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by devilishleafs (Post 52294231)
What about Connolley plus Mac for Stewart or
Bozak and Mac for Stewart

Connolly plus Mac or Bozak plus Mac? If that was offered, Burke would accept without hesitation.

mapes 07-08-2012 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Grouch (Post 52294065)
This is horrible! I wish the Gunnarson to St. Louis proposals would stop!






No one thinks St. Louis "gets too much" in this proposal.


Well Gunnar is actually quite good. I wouldn't give him up typically but in an offer like this, it's hard to say no.

jmwc95 07-08-2012 11:10 AM

How did I know this was going to be about Halak even before I opened it? Blues are not trading Halak. Having Halak in the deal is a non-starter.

MattyMo35 07-08-2012 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davehamilton100 (Post 52293391)
You're ridiculous. Gunnarsson has been seen as one of the most under-rated up and coming defenders in the league and Kulemin (with a bounce back year) has far more upside than the departing Stewart.

Kulemin has far more upside than Chris Stewart? Is this a joke? Stewart has scored 28 goals twice in the NHL in 4 seasons. Kulemin has had one good season in his career, and was just as bad as Stewart last year. Kulemin's best season of 57 points in 10-11 was nearly matched by Stewart in 20 less games. Stewart had just 4 fewer points. Absolutely no way Kulemin has more upside than Stewart.

Dr Robot 07-08-2012 11:18 AM

Or how about you offer pieces that wont just be AHL depth to St. Louis for Stewart? The only assets Toronto has that hold value to STL are
1) Kessel(but not as much as you think since we are loaded with wingers)
2) Gardiner if he players the left side could develop into a good Coliacovo replacement.

And right now we aren't really interested in moving roster players to fill holes so if you want to trade Gardiner for a first and third just let us know.

The Grouch 07-08-2012 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapes (Post 52294327)
Well Gunnar is actually quite good. I wouldn't give him up typically but in an offer like this, it's hard to say no.


I'm not disputing Gunnarson's abilities, I think he is a very good defenseman. However, I'm not sold on the idea that he is what the Blues need to fill their top pairing LD position. Also, if this thread is a guide, it appears the price to obtain him would be pretty steep.

seanlinden 07-08-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fst6 (Post 52293373)
Halak=Rynnas&2ndpick&4thpick
Stewart>>>Gunnarson
Ty Rattie?Kulemin (hard to say, =?)

Anyway trade is already favoring the leafs without the pick. The only think here useful is Gunnarson because hes a lefty but this trade is an absolute no-go

Wait... so you'd trade Halak for Rynnas, a 2nd and a 4th??? Where do we sign?

As for the rest of your comment. Gunnarsson is far more valuable to the Leafs than Stewart would be, and with Rattie, you're comparing a project to a player who's 1 year removed from 30 goals in the NHL combined with being one of the best defensive forwards on the team.

416Leafer 07-08-2012 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davehamilton100 (Post 52292963)

To STL: Gunnarsson + Kulemin + Rynnas + 2013 2nd + 2014 4th

To TOR: Halak + Stewart + Rattie + 2013 6th
.

Halak >>> Rynnas
Stewart > Kulemin
Rattie < Gunnarson


Oh, but at least you threw in those picks to balance it out... What a terrible proposal. Rynnas has almost no trade value.

ManyIdeas 07-08-2012 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanlinden (Post 52295365)
Wait... so you'd trade Halak for Rynnas, a 2nd and a 4th??? Where do we sign?

As for the rest of your comment. Gunnarsson is far more valuable to the Leafs than Stewart would be, and with Rattie, you're comparing a project to a player who's 1 year removed from 30 goals in the NHL combined with being one of the best defensive forwards on the team.

Well in that case we can just not do any of this proposal.


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