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angry pirate 07-08-2012 11:03 AM

Mtl - Chi - LA
 
Mtl Recieves:
Simon Gagne


Chi Receieves:
Jonathan Bernier
Nashville 2013 2nd via Montreal
Montreal 2013 2nd


LA Recieves:
Jeremy Morin
Ray Emery
Chicago 2013 1st



The Breakdown:

Montreal fills out their top 6 with very talented yet injury prone Left Winger at the cost of 2 second round picks in a deep draft.

Chicago gets their #1 goalie that should put them over the hump from very good to elite. Costs them a mid to late first, probably minimum 22-26 range (but is mitigated by the 2 second round picks coming in) and a very talented LW prospect who is very close to NHL ready, if not there already.

LA gets younger and adds some depth to their Wings, snags a first round pick that Bernier nor Gagne is unlikely to get on their own, and Ray Emery is a throw in providing the Kings with a serviceable backup for the season.

I see it as Montreal and Chicago get better immediately, while LA stay pretty stagnent towards 2013 with the move but are better for it 2-3 seasons down the road. Thoughts?

Spectra 07-08-2012 11:04 AM

What's a "Moran"?

Izzy 07-08-2012 11:05 AM

I don't think Bernier is exactly a #1 goalie... Atleast not yet

Rusty Batch 07-08-2012 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angry pirate (Post 52295773)
Mtl Recieves:
Simon Gagne


Chi Receieves:
Jonathan Bernier
Nashville 2013 2nd via Montreal
Montreal 2013 2nd


LA Recieves:
Jeremy Moran
Ray Emery
Chicago 2013 1st



The Breakdown:

Montreal fills out their top 6 with very talented yet injury prone Left Winger at the cost of 2 second round picks in a deep draft.

Chicago gets their #1 goalie that should put them over the hump from very good to elite. Costs them a mid to late first, probably minimum 22-26 range, but is mitigated by the 2 second round picks coming in, and a very talented LW prospect who is very close to NHL ready, if not there already.

LA gets younger and adds some depth to their Wings, snags a first round pick that Bernier nor Gagne is unlikely to get on their own, and Ray Emery is a throw in providing the Kings with a serviceable backup for the season.

I see it as Montreal and Chicago get better immediately, while LA stay pretty stagnent towards 2013 with the move but are better for it 2-3 seasons down the road. Thoughts?

let me guess you are a Chicago fan?

danyhabsfan 07-08-2012 11:12 AM

I wouldnt trade 2 picks for Gagne until he proves he can play.

Id trade only the 3rd for him. Maybe the 2nd.

Pandemic 07-08-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danyhabsfan (Post 52296049)
I wouldnt trade 2 picks for Gagne until he proves he can play.

Id trade only the 3rd for him. Maybe the 2nd.

I wouldn't even consider this. Especially since 2013 is going to be a decent draft, Gagne serves no purpose for the stage that Montreal is at as a team right now. They need solid youth prospects. No point of having an injury prone winger who is probably not going to be playing for much longer.

angry pirate 07-08-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandemic (Post 52296193)
I wouldn't even consider this. Especially since 2013 is going to be a decent draft, Gagne serves no purpose for the stage that Montreal is at as a team right now. They need solid youth prospects. No point of having an injury prone winger who is probably not going to be playing for much longer.

If he stays healthy and has a solid season the habs get a bit of cost recovery at the trade deadline (depending on positioning) if an extension isn't worked out. Habs have no real top 6 depth on the wings that's NHL ready for the next couple of years. Especically on the left side.

Gagne is 31, with a possible 3-4 years of decent 2nd line production left in him. It's a risk given injuries, but worth a couple of seconds.

Confound 07-08-2012 11:31 AM

Can't see the Habs doing this.

Beendair Donedat 07-08-2012 11:49 AM

Habs are rebuilding. Bergevin is doing all the right things so far, and with 4 picks in the top 60 next season's deep draft, he's not giving two away for Gagne who is always hurt. No thanks from Montreal.

rajuabju 07-08-2012 11:50 AM

Cut the middle man (Montreal) out.

Chicago gets: Bernier, Gagne

LA gets: 1st, 3rd, Morin. If you want to throw Emery back at us or not, its fine either way.

Deaner 07-08-2012 11:51 AM

As a Montreal fan, this is an easy 'no, thank you.' The only aspect of the team/organization that can be considered truly elite at this time is our Director of Amateur Scouting, and as such, I don't like any deal that mitigates this advantage. This is the type of deal Gainey/Gauthier might have been all over, but even they had the chance to sign Gagne on the cheap as a FA prior to his landing in TB and chose not to. I sincerely hope Bergevin continues to accumulate rather than sell picks.

Plus, as much as I love healthy Gagne, he's too old for our core, and the team has been so injury-ravaged these last two years that a player with such a reputation for fragility is an easy 'do-not-acquire'.

Pierre Dagenais 07-08-2012 11:52 AM

There is no way Simon Gagne is worth two 2nd round picks

Just two years ago, he was traded for Matt Walker + 4th round pick

Seto 07-08-2012 11:59 AM

Saad for Bernier straight up

Komarov77 07-08-2012 12:01 PM

Jeremy Morin, Ray Emery and Chicago 2013 1st sounds bad for Gagne and Bernier

Tomahawk Patch 07-08-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rajuabju (Post 52297249)
Cut the middle man (Montreal) out.

Chicago gets: Bernier, Gagne

LA gets: 1st, 3rd, Morin. If you want to throw Emery back at us or not, its fine either way.

we don't have a 3rd this up coming draft . how about Jeremy Morin and our 2014 2nd for Bernier

Frozenice 07-08-2012 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danyhabsfan (Post 52296049)
I wouldnt trade 2 picks for Gagne until he proves he can play.

Id trade only the 3rd for him. Maybe the 2nd.

I'd happily trade Bourque for him, maybe add a 4th.

Beendair Donedat 07-08-2012 12:24 PM

Why? Bourque is a goal scorer that we had for a partial season. Give him a chance in Therrien's system to see what he can do, he may surprise you.

HockeyFan87 07-08-2012 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angry pirate (Post 52296585)
If he stays healthy and has a solid season the habs get a bit of cost recovery at the trade deadline (depending on positioning) if an extension isn't worked out. Habs have no real top 6 depth on the wings that's NHL ready for the next couple of years. Especically on the left side.

Gagne is 31, with a possible 3-4 years of decent 2nd line production left in him. It's a risk given injuries, but worth a couple of seconds.

Wrong. Mtl already have Bourque to play alongside Plekanec and Gionta in the second line. Before coming in Montreal, he had 2 27 goal seasons and 50+ points and he was on pace for another 27 goals this past year. Bergevin also said that he was going to give kids like Leblanc and Gallagher; he almost cracked the lineup last year, a chance to fight for that spot in training camp.

Also, 2 years ago, Gagne was traded for a 30 year old D (Matt Walker) and a 4th round pick. Gagne played 34 games last year and unless I missed something I don't see how he is worth a 2nd round pick 2 years later, let alone 2 2nd round picks. This is an awful deal for the habs.

KingKopitar11* 07-08-2012 12:34 PM

Wow terrible. Really Emery can get lost we don't need him

UniverStalinGraduate* 07-08-2012 01:07 PM

Have you not seen what Timmins and company are capable of doing in the 2nd round?

In what world would the Habs give up 2 2nd round picks for someone who hasn't scored more than 17 goals in 3 seasons?

A guy who has been outscored by a massive margin, by the insanely hated Rene Bourque?

Whoever made this thread needs to look at this from a habs pOV and seriously ask themselves if they'd consider this deal for even a second. Even just one.

UniverStalinGraduate* 07-08-2012 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozenice (Post 52297975)
I'd happily trade Bourque for him, maybe add a 4th.

LoL

Why?

Have you seen their goal totals in the last 3 years?

Brad Doty 07-08-2012 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redarmynative (Post 52297569)
Saad for Bernier straight up

Done from our end, but Chicago fans will be here in a cab shortly to kneecap you :D

Frozenice 07-08-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UniverStalinGraduate (Post 52299951)
LoL

Why?

Have you seen their goal totals in the last 3 years?

Did you watch Bourque play in Montreal, that isn't a way to get the fans behind you.

Gagne is on a 1 year deal and I can live with that and I really don't care if he pans out or not.

Analyzer 07-08-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozenice (Post 52300295)
Did you watch Bourque play in Montreal, that isn't a way to get the fans behind you.

Gagne is on a 1 year deal and I can live with that and I really don't care if he pans out or not.

Go with Bourque and keep assets.

If he struggles, he'll still have value. 3.33 for a 6'2 20 goal scorer who can, at times can be "mean"


Gagne's first media conference with 20 cameras in his face will give him a concussion.

2013 is a perfect time for the habs to further restock the cupboard with 4 picks in the top 60. I'm Bergevin knows this team can compete for a playoff spot, but not for the cup. He might add someone via free agency, but in all likelihood he'll steer the course.

My Sweet Shadow 07-08-2012 01:39 PM

I'm confused as to why Montreal's picks are going to Chicago. Shouldn't it be:

To MTL:
Gagne

To LA:
2 x 2nds

and

To CHI:
Bernier

To LA:
Morin
Emery
1st

The Montreal trade is pretty terrible; one year of the oft-injured Gagne for not one, but two firsts? No going to happen.

The CHI-LA trade is reasonable, a good prospect, mid-1st, and decent back-up for a young potential #1 goalie. It my be a bit pricey from Chicago's perspective depending on how bad they want another goalie and how much faith they have the Bernier can a starter.


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