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nyrmessier011 07-12-2012 08:10 AM

NEWS LINKS ONLY - Lockout News & Updates
Here is a timeline of the latest news out of the new CBA negotiations. Please feel free to post news, commentary or information from the media, rumors (please clearly indicate as such), or any other piece related to the new CBA. Mods and myself will attempt to update OP frequently with latest timeline.

A graphical look (going back ~20 years) at the "winners & losers" under the 2005 CBA (part 1 of 3 -- see site for other two parts)

Latest news:

1/9: CBA ratified by NHL Board of Governors (30-0)

1/6: NHL, NHLPA reach agreement on framework of deal

1/1: NHL counters back (we have actual negotiations!)

12/31: NHLPA makes counter offer

12/28-9: conference call between sides Saturday (clarify offer); in person meeting in NYC Sunday

12/27: NHL makes offer to NHLPA (confirmed 12/28); sets deadline of 1/11 (for 1/19 season start)

12/20: NHL games cancelled through 1/14/13

12/16-12/20: NHLPA votes electronically to approve/disapprove union filing "disclaimer of interest." (Update: authorization to file DOI given)

12/14: NHL files class action lawsuit against union and files unfair negotiations with NLRB

12/12-13: NHL, NHLPA meet with FCMS (again).

12/10: Games through 12/30 cancelled.

12/4: 6 owners and 18 players (plus Daly, S Fehr) meet

11/26: (US) FMCS (Federal mediation & conciliation service) assigns 3 to help mediate between NHL and NHLPA.

11/23: Games through 12/14 and ASG cancelled

11/2: Winter Classic 2013 cancelled

10/26: NHL cancels games through 11/30.

10/19: NHL cancels games through 11/1.

10/18: NHLPA responds to NHL proposal with three options (only addressing economic issues) and NHL walks out after 10 minutes.

10/16: NHL makes proposal, including 50-50 split of HRR, 6 year length, with "pay back" of salary over life of contract, etc.

10/4: First two weeks of season (through 10/24) cancelled.

9/28 - negotiating session (was supposed to be one day, now scheduled for three days)

9/27: rest of preseason cancelled

9/19: NHL cancels exhibition games through 9/30

9/15: AP provides timeline from first negotiating session (6/29) to lockout (9/15)

NHLPA presents counteroffer on 8/14.


NHLPA proposal includes: 3 year deal; player option for 4th reverting back to current CBA.

-Artificial slowing of salary growth. Ward: year 1 will increase by 2%,year 2 by 4% and in year 3 by 6%.If Revenue growth exceeds 10%,anything over 10% is subject to 57% that exists under present system.
-Grange: -players get $1.89B for 3 yrs; owners keep bulk of rev growth from that period. Revenue sharing up; hard cap stays.

Some info via Brooks:


-Clubs could go up to $4M over cap and drop to $4M under floor by adding or trading cap space re PA proposal....
-NHLPA has also proposed extra draft picks for teams in financial trouble that could be used, traded or sold, Post has learned...
-PA also has proposed that NHL establish a limit on non-player spending by teams.
-NHLPA intends to submit own proposals re systemic issues (e.g, free agency, entry level, salary arb)...
-PA will propose eliminating team walkaways on salary arbitration, Post has learned...
Meetings in NYC 8/7-8/10.

8/9/12: Bettman: Owners will lock out players on September 15 with no new agreement.


Supplementary Discipline

Sides meet 7/31, 8/1 in NYC.
NHL expressing frustration over "relevance" of NHLPA info requests.

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay

NHL puts revenue-sharing proposal on table. Fehr encouraged, not necessarily by details. Fehr leaving for Europe to brief players.
Bettman says revenue-sharing proposal is similar but 'more inclusive.'
At CBA talks in Manhattan; told not to expect proposal from union today; still waiting for $$$ figures from some teams
D Shoalts on revenue sharing: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...rticle4451062/

Talks resume 7/24-7/26 in Toronto.


Meetings set for 7/18, 7/19, 7/20 in New York

Larry Brooks ‏@NYP_Brooksie

This information contained in PA memo from Don Fehr to members, obtained by Post.
1. NHL proposal as applied to 2011-12 would have resulted in 24-percent reduction in player compensation;
2. Under NHL proposal, 2011-12 cap would have been 50.8M with floor of $38.8M
3. Under NHL proposal, player compensation would be at lowest since 2002-03.

Weber signs front loaded $110M/14 yr deal which is briefly discussed. No counter-proposal expected before next week in Toronto.


7/13: Meeting set for Fri 7/13.
Leaked NHL proposal included five points

1. reduce players hockey related revenues to 46% from 57 %.
2. 10 seasons in NHL before being UFA.
3. contracts limited to 5 years
4. no more salary arbitration.
5. entry-level contract 5 years instead of 3.
Fehr states he won't have any salary rollbacks on his watch

7/10: Sides meet in Toronto. Fehr stresses "working conditions" as topic of discussion.

7/5: Second meeting in New York.

6/29: Sides meet for first time. "Cordial."

6/27: NHL and NHLPA agree on temporary cap of $70.2M. Formal talks to begin on Fri 6/29.

LadyStanley 07-14-2012 01:04 PM

DarrenDreger: NHL's Bill Daly and PA's Steve Fehr will discuss league proposal between now and Monday. Full group returns to table Wed-Fri in New York.

nyrmessier011 07-18-2012 04:01 PM

Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN


#NHLPA Exec Director Donald Fehr did not divulge much abt 1st proposal but confirmed players asked to reduce their share of HRR
Katie Strang ‏@KatieStrangESPN


#NHL and #NHLPA still plan to meet thurs and fri; no counter-proposal yet from PA. Still gathering info on NHL's initial proposal
Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay


Will continue Thursday RT @michaelgrange: #NHL CBA meetings are over; PA did not 'counter' league proposal; got further info on proposal.

cbcwpg 07-20-2012 02:37 PM

Labor talks to resume Tuesday


LadyStanley 07-22-2012 11:36 PM


Meetings scheduled Tuesday (7/24), Thursday (7/26) and Friday (7/27).

Issues to be discussed may include Olympic participation, realignment and player safety.


Originally Posted by Fehr
“We’re having a lot of internal discussions, but when we get to the point where we are going to respond formally to the proposal they made by counter proposal or separate proposal, everybody will know. We're not there yet.”

LadyStanley 07-23-2012 06:25 PM


Previewing Tuesday's meeting (and the other two days this week). Fehr talking about counter offer.


"We've asked for a bunch of additional financial information," Fehr said at an NHLPA charity golf tournament at Milton, Ontario. "They've indicated that the preparation is in progress and we'll need to review that before we come to any final conclusions."

LadyStanley 07-24-2012 09:56 AM

RenLavoieRDS: NHL labor talks will resume today in Toronto. Brendan Shanahan should make a presentation on player safety matters.

nyrmessier011 07-25-2012 12:01 AM



As negotiations with the NHL resumed Tuesday, NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr indicated that the union was getting close to responding to the league’s initial proposal, which included a decreased share of hockey-related revenue, term limits on contracts and a 22 per cent salary rollback.

“I doubt that it will be weeks, plural,” said Fehr. “But could it be two? Yeah. It could be two. It could be less.”

The sides will continue talks in Toronto on Wednesday and Thursday and are scheduled to get right back at it next week with sessions in New York on Monday and Tuesday.

LadyStanley 07-25-2012 11:14 AM

drosennhl 9:06am via TweetDeck NHL and NHLPA in negotiating session right now. Players in the session according to the PA are Boyes, Tavares, Winnik and Gagner.

LadyStanley 07-25-2012 01:19 PM

dshoalts 11:16am via Twitter for BlackBerry® Don Fehr said among areas NHL made proposals or requests to discuss were training camp, medical, methods of communication, grievances

dshoalts 11:17am via Twitter for BlackBerry® Fehr said there have already been union proposals on some of those things. Also said there is not a lot of disagreement on some things.

dshoalts 11:18am via Twitter for BlackBerry® Union plans to digest latest info from NHL. Last session of week is tomorrow and will be small-group discussions.

goalie311 07-25-2012 03:29 PM



So, it's all out there - It will be interesting to see what else the NHL has proposed, what leaks out in the next day or so....can't imagine it will be anything more severe than what's been proposed so far.

LadyStanley 07-26-2012 12:23 AM

NHLPA: Here is a video re-cap of Don Fehr's comments following today's CBA negotiating session in Toronto: http://t.co/3A7rNC6O #nhlpa2012

LadyStanley 07-26-2012 06:59 PM


Today's recap


The NHL Players' Association made a number of presentations to owners Thursday, including ones addressing pensions, training camp and ice conditions.

Mathieu Schneider, special assistant to NHLPA executive director Don Fehr, says the two sides were involved in collective discussion and also broke into smaller groups.

"Today was another good day," said the former NHL defenceman. "I think we had a lot of good, open discussion and it was certainly one of the days where we had a lot of player involvement and to me that's the most important thing."

Schneider adds that benefits have not been updated since the 1990s, while training camp issues include the schedule, player testing and the amount of pre-season games in which veterans would be expected to participate.

"There are a lot of these issues (where) we have the same common goal," Schneider said. "It's (about) coming to agreement and how we get to that goal and that's a lot of what happened today."

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman says both sides want the same thing on a number of the issues discussed Thursday.

"On things relative to the game such as ice conditions, we all want the best ice possible," Bettman said. "These were really more discussion points than anything else at this stage."
The players say they are waiting for specific financial information from the owners before submitting a counter-proposal.
Next meeting: Monday (7/30) in NYC.

LadyStanley 07-26-2012 11:11 PM


NHL version.

Today's participants:

The players attending the session Thursday were Jeff Skinner (Carolina Hurricanes), B.J. Crombeen (Tampa Bay Lightning) and Jason Spezza (Ottawa Senators). The PA was also represented by Fehr, Schneider, General Counsel Don Zavello, Special Counsel Steve Fehr, and legal counsel.

The NHL was represented by Commissioner Bettman, Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly, Senior Executive V.P. of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell, Senior V.P. of Player Safety and Hockey Operations Brendan Shanahan, Hockey Operations Managers Rob Blake and Stephane Quintal, Minnesota owner Craig Leipold, Boston owner Jeremy Jacobs, Toronto President and GM Brian Burke, Carolina President and GM Jim Rutherford, and legal counsel.

LadyStanley 07-26-2012 11:57 PM

NHLPA: Watch @NHLPA Special Asst to the Exec Dir, Mathieu Schneider discuss the CBA negotiations from Thursday. http://t.co/wE11FJgj #nhlpa2012

LadyStanley 07-30-2012 03:57 PM

NHLPA: Players in NYC today for internal NHLPA meetings: Craig Adams, Dan Cleary, Mathieu Darche, Shawn Horcoff, Steve Montador .... cont'd

NHLPA: ..... George Parros, Kevin Westgarth, Ryan Whitney and Keith Yandle. Formal CBA talks with #NHL will resume on Tuesday. #nhlpa2012

LadyStanley 07-31-2012 11:02 AM

NHLPA: 11 Players in total taking part in CBA negotiations in NYC today. Same group as yesterday with a couple of additions ... cont'd
NHLPA: ..... Craig Adams, Dan Cleary, BJ Crombeen, Mathieu Darche, Shawn Horcoff, Steve Montador, George Parros, Cory Schneider .... cont'd
NHLPA: .... Kevin Westgarth, Ryan Whitney, Keith Yandle. #nhlpa2012

NHLPA: Here's a pic of some of the Players meeting with NHLPA staff prior to the CBA meetings today. #nhlpa2012 http://t.co/2ArgmtY1

NHLPA: Several alma-maters in the @NHLPA group at CBA talks today #Princeton #Yale #McGill #MichiganState #Harvard #BU http://t.co/lEqodE4M

LadyStanley 07-31-2012 11:12 AM

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay Five of six owners on negotiating committee here w/11 players discussing "core economic" issues. Will also meet again tomorrow & next week

Steve Zipay ‏@stevezipay
At CBA talks in Manhattan; told not to expect proposal from union today; still waiting for $$$ figures from some teams

LadyStanley 07-31-2012 02:08 PM

stevezipay Bettman: league provided 76,000 pages of financials to union last night

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LadyStanley 07-31-2012 04:04 PM


Spector: Tuesday negotiation updates. Emphasis on revenue sharing.

76k pages of financial data -- only a portion of what union looking for.

Fehr off to Europe to brief players. Negotiations will continue in his absence.

LadyStanley 07-31-2012 10:19 PM


NHL's recap of Tuesday.


"They have asked for an exhaustive amount of information," Commissioner Bettman said. "We think they have plenty of financial information. They've had it on an ongoing basis as a union for years; but, having said that, we are doing our best to comply with all of their requests for information -- whether or not we think they are relevant, as quickly as possible.

"But, as you can understand, if we have produced 76,000 pages in a short period of time and we're gathering it from the 30 clubs and the League office, there is a lot of work to do in a short period of time."

Fehr said the PA has just begun to digest the information the NHL produced Monday.
In the negotiating session Tuesday, The NHL was represented by Commissioner Bettman, Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly, Senior V.P. of Player Safety and Hockey Operations Brendan Shanahan, Boston Bruins owner Jeremy Jacobs, Minnesota Wild owner Craig Leipold, Washington Capitals owner Ted Leonsis, Toronto Maple Leafs President and General Manager Brian Burke, Carolina Hurricanes President and General Manager Jim Rutherford, and legal counsel.

The NHLPA was represented by Fehr, Special Counsel Steve Fehr, General Counsel Don Zavello, Special Assistant to the Executive Director Mathieu Schneider, Director of Operations Alex Dagg, and 11 players: Craig Adams (Penguins), Dan Cleary (Red Wings), B.J. Crombeen (Lightning), Mathieu Darche (unrestricted free agent), Shawn Horcoff (Oilers), Steve Montador (Blackhawks), George Parros (Panthers), Cory Schneider (Canucks), Kevin Westgarth (Kings), Ryan Whitney (Oilers) and Keith Yandle (Coyotes).
Subcommittee meetings scheduled for Wednesday.

LadyStanley 08-01-2012 11:13 AM

NHLPA: @matdarche52, @Beener_26 and @KWesty19 are taking part in CBA subcommittee meetings today. #healthandsafety #playerbenefits #nhlpa2012

LadyStanley 08-01-2012 06:06 PM

NHLPA 4:03pm via Web Video of @KWesty19 as he meets with the media following CBA meetings today in NYC. #nhlpa2012

LadyStanley 08-05-2012 09:05 AM


CBA talks resume 8/7, NYC. (Tuesday-Friday scheduled)

RangerBoy 08-05-2012 02:47 PM


As negotiations with the NHL resumed Tuesday, NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr indicated that the union was getting close to responding to the league's initial proposal, which included a decreased share of hockey-related revenue, term limits on contracts and a 22 per cent salary rollback.

"I doubt that it will be weeks plural," said Fehr. "But could it be two? Yeah. It could be two, it could be less."

Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/hocke...#ixzz22he0XIVE

Its two weeks on Tuesday.

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