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Blackhawkswincup 07-19-2012 01:46 AM

[PHI] Shea Weber Signs Offer Sheet With Flyers, 14yrs/$100m+ (Part II)
 
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:amazed: ,,, Is my reaction

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FAQ
1. What's the compensation? The average value is just 7.14M, doesnt that mean it's only 2 firsts, a 2nd, and a 3rd?
A: No, as per CBA 10.4, the term used in an offersheet calculation is the lower of the term of the contract and five years. 100M/5 = 20M. 20M > 8.4M. Compensation is four first round picks.

2: How long does nashville have to make a decision?
A: Per CBA 10.3 B+C, if nashville does not exercise their right of first refusal within seven days, Shea Weber's contract with the flyers will go into effect.

3: Can nashville match and trade him?
A: Nashville cannot trade him for one calendar year from the time they match the offersheet. If they wait the full seven days, they cannot trade him until July 26th 2013 (CBA 10.3 B)

4: Wait, what if there's an NTC/NMC? Then isnt Nashville stuck with this contract?
A: Nashville only has to match the principal terms of the offersheet, meaning the salary/signing bonuses/structure. (CBA 10.3 B+E)

5. What if nashville trades him right now to another team?
A: Nashville cannot trade him once he has signed the offersheet (CBA 10.3 A)

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MJB Devils23* 07-19-2012 01:47 AM

Please match Nashville. I'm begging you!

PAZ 07-19-2012 01:48 AM

Preds will match.

They still have the option to trade him in the future, and it will be worth a lot more then 4 20-30 picks. They can unload him after a year, so it would cost the owner ~10 mil max to get a substantial return.

Krishna 07-19-2012 01:48 AM

Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
numbers are higher.

How much higher? 110m? 120m? 130?

Fel 96 07-19-2012 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJB Devils23 (Post 52697583)
Please match Nashville. I'm begging you!

Of course they will.

FrozenKing18 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

Wow.

Telos 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJB Devils23 (Post 52697583)
Please match Nashville. I'm begging you!

They are guaranteed to match. No possible way they don't. Weber is worth more than ever now that he is signed. They can trade him to anybody now. Especially with the salary cap and floor rising...

I have no idea what the Flyers were thinking. Now they have to win a renewed bidding war.

Blackhawkswincup 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by PAZ (Post 52697599)
Preds will match.

They still have the option to trade him in the future, and it will be worth a lot more then 4 20-30 picks. They can unload him after a year, so it would cost the owner ~10 mil max to get a substantial return.

I wont say 100% they will match

Depends on the year to year costs ,, Preds cant afford to designate a overwhelming amount of there budget/payroll on 1 player

Kevin27nyi 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

Said it in the previous thread and will say it again, keep it on topic.

Gibsons Finest 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Krishna
There have been articles that said he thought it was the age at signing of the deal, which pronger was 34, not when the contract starts

Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying, he completely misunderstood what the rule was and made an arguably bad move in doing so. Or keeping Sbisa on the roster for over half a season but thinking it didn't count as an accrued season because he only played in 39 games. Holmgren thinking that Nashville has to match any NMCs would not surprise me in the least.

MJB Devils23* 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkohol (Post 52697613)
D'oh. Still awesome :yo:

The Debbie Downer in me is saying it wasn't a true 40 pages. :shakehead

billybudd 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Krishna (Post 52697607)
Hockey Buzz Eklund ‏@Eklund
numbers are higher.

How much higher? 110m? 120m? 130?

On the one hand, Eklund rarely knows what he's talking about. On the other hand, on the rare occasion when he does, it's usually Flyer-related.

bobafettish* 07-19-2012 01:49 AM

wonder what the haul nahsville is gonna get back if they match and trade. their team will look entirely different in one year.

Blackhawkswincup 07-19-2012 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by bobafettish (Post 52697669)
wonder what the haul nahsville is gonna get back if they match and trade. their team will look entirely different in one year.

You cant match and trade until a year from the offersheet being matched

And I bet Weber has a NMC in this deal

mdobbs 07-19-2012 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Telos (Post 52697633)
They are guaranteed to match. No possible way they don't. Weber is worth more than ever now that he is signed. They can trade him to anybody now. Especially with the salary cap and floor rising...

Ya a rising cap floor is good for his value. It means in 4 or 5 or 6 years (don't know the exact contract structure) when his annual salary starts to decline his value could actually increase (depending on how he keeps his play up).

SolidSnakeUS 07-19-2012 01:50 AM

In some ways, this came out of nowhere. They really kept it under wraps until now.

Krishna 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby Ryan Getzlaf (Post 52697649)
Exactly. That's exactly what I'm saying, he completely misunderstood what the rule was and made an arguably bad move in doing so. Or keeping Sbisa on the roster for over half a season but thinking it didn't count as an accrued season because he only played in 39 games. Holmgren thinking that Nashville has to match any NMCs would not surprise me in the least.

Who said anything about a NMC? The contract details haven't even been announced other than 14 years and over 100m

ihaveyuidonttouchme 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

At this point, i want to see a contract with 20+years someday and make these 14year make childish..haha!

thadd 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JackJ (Post 52696055)
Preds are better off going full rebuild IMO. They could use those 1sts as trade bait to speed up the process.

If the cap goes down and they don't roll the salaries back much something like that could benefit Nashville... but a lot of things have to happen for that to really benefit Nashville.

Until Philly is exposed as a weak team or even a playoff bubble team those firsts will be considered last ones and the teams receiving the picks will also have to be patient to get them and wait for those picks to develop into useful pieces.

I kinda think it's the other way around, in fact. If another team wanted to trade a big piece or two to get those picks they'd be the team in the rebuild.




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Wouldn't it be exciting for the West if Nashville didn't match? One more superstar bruising d-man to wear down all the other teams during the playoffs.

Love to see Detroit do well.

Helps my Oilers too! :)

Gibsons Finest 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 52697639)
I wont say 100% they will match

Depends on the year to year costs ,, Preds cant afford to designate a overwhelming amount of there budget/payroll on 1 player

By all indications, they would've committed slightly less per player for both Suter and Weber. Can't see why they let Weber leave for a bit more then they planned on giving him.

Hertl Power 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

I think nashville needs Weber too much to really think hard about taking the compensation. Add into it they are 13 mil under the cap floor.

Also. Good lord is that a lot of money.

randymc2641 07-19-2012 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 52697639)
I wont say 100% they will match

Depends on the year to year costs ,, Preds cant afford to designate a overwhelming amount of there budget/payroll on 1 player

Yet they were more than willing to pay $100 mil to suter AND weber....they will match this.

billybudd 07-19-2012 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 52697699)
You cant match and trade until a year from the offersheet being matched

And I bet Weber has a NMC in this deal

If I'm not mistaken, what Nashville has to match is the dollar amount, the increments it comes in (x signing bonus and base in each year) and the term. It does not have to match no-trade or movement clauses to retain him.

PAZ 07-19-2012 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blackhawkswincup (Post 52697639)
I wont say 100% they will match

Depends on the year to year costs ,, Preds cant afford to designate a overwhelming amount of there budget/payroll on 1 player

I'm not going to pretend I know the financial situation of the Preds besides them having a budget. However, I do think that the owner will be willing to spend an extra 10 mil. Even if they wait a year and teams know the Preds have to unload him, it would still be so much more then what they'll get.

dubey 07-19-2012 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by krishna (Post 52697607)
hockey buzz eklund ‏@eklund
numbers are higher.

How much higher? 110m? 120m? 130?

Over 9000


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