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gallagt01 07-19-2012 11:01 AM

The case for Corey Tropp
 
I've noticed the consensus around here is that Corey Tropp will likely start the year in Rochester after competing for a spot in camp. It's hard to argue against that - with so few roster spots available and so many bodies vying for them, it's not a crazy assumption to make.

However, based on his play last year, Ruff's praise of said play and Regier's vow of wanting to make the team tougher to play against, is it really all that unrealistic to think that Lindy will make room for Corey come September?

Obviously nothing will be handed to Tropp on a silver platter. He'll have to work hard if he plans on making the squad. That's his game, though. I'm convinced he'd go through a wall if it meant playing in the NHL next season.

During the Ott presser, Lindy named Ott, Tropp and Foligno as players that will make Buffalo more difficult to play against. He later specified that Ott, Tropp, Foligno, Kaleta and McCormick make Buffalo a tougher team.

I think there's more 'o' to his game than his time in Buffalo showed last year. He's a tireless worker and plays with an edge. Lindy even started relying on him in penalty kill situations later in the year. He likes the elements Tropp adds to the team.

With the news that Buffalo has an outstanding offer for Doan (and the unlikeliness that he'll actually sign it), is it that unrealistic to think that could be Tropp's spot come September?

This is by no means another "line combos" thread, but for the sake of it:

Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Leino-Pominville
Gerbe-McCormick-Kaleta

With Scott as your spare and Ellis, Porter, Adam, Varone and Girgensons as your first call-up options.

SabresAreScaryGood 07-19-2012 11:06 AM

If they dont add a player, Tropp has a spot IMO.

BloFan4Life 07-19-2012 11:09 AM

I don't think there is any way Tropp plays in Rochester next year. He was a huge asset to this team last year. You don't take out players that helped your team win just to satisfy someone who is getting paid more. At prospect camp you could also tell Tropp is very skilled. I think last season he was just finding a niche to stay on the team. This season I think we will see him add more offense.

Superhero 07-19-2012 11:10 AM

I think Grigerenko will be on the team

sabrefan27 07-19-2012 11:13 AM

I think I expect to see Ellis in Rochester over Tropp.

gallagt01 07-19-2012 11:15 AM

Based on the few replies thus far, maybe I'm mistaken in thinking the consensus is that Tropp will start in Rochester. :dunno:

Chainshot 07-19-2012 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loods (Post 52712145)
Based on the few replies thus far, maybe I'm mistaken in thinking the consensus is that Tropp will start in Rochester. :dunno:

He's in the mix. It depends on who they may acquire between now and camp. He's got lots of scrap to him, but his development years were as a scorer and he made a brokendown Vanek and tired Hodgson go last year in that role.

gallagt01 07-19-2012 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chainshot (Post 52713357)
He's in the mix. It depends on who they may acquire between now and camp. He's got lots of scrap to him, but his development years were as a scorer and he made a brokendown Vanek and tired Hodgson go last year in that role.

The boldfaced is why I don't think he "needs" to be upgraded as some have said at times this off-season.

He's a very valuable player and I think he can put up some solid numbers as the "jam" on his line with Vanek and Hodgson (10-15g, 20-25a).

He, Foligno, Ott, Gerbe, Kaleta and Leino at times really would make for a pain-in-the-ass bunch to play against.

Myllz 07-19-2012 11:52 AM

I'm guessing he starts the year in Buffalo with Ellis in Rochester.

Vanek
Pominville
Leino
Ott
Kaleta
Stafford
Gerbe
Tropp
Foligno

Those are the wingers going into camp, which might make Tropp the odd man out. However, unless Grig/Girg/Adam make the team, one of Ott or Leino pretty much have to play center out of necessity. That would make room for Tropp to stay up and start the year in Buffalo. If Girg/Grig/Adam make the team, Tropp probably gets sent down.

As a side note, sabres.com is calling Ott a center, so he might be starting the year in the middle. Could just be a mistake, but with Leino whining about playing at center last season, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ott start there.

Jame 07-19-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BloFan4Life (Post 52711853)
I don't think there is any way Tropp plays in Rochester next year. He was a huge asset to this team last year. You don't take out players that helped your team win just to satisfy someone who is getting paid more. At prospect camp you could also tell Tropp is very skilled. I think last season he was just finding a niche to stay on the team. This season I think we will see him add more offense.

Really? You don't think there is ANY way?

How about :
- The Sabres sign another forward
- The Sabres trade a D for a forward
- Girgensons has an AMAZING camp and makes the team
- Grigorenko has an AMAZING camp and makes the team

Right now, Tropp has a spot among the top 13 forwards... not seeing any possible way in which he DOESN'T hold on to one of those spots is a little blind, don't you think?

Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp
Ott-Leino-Pominville
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Gerbe-McCormick-Kaleta
x Scott

Any other forward making the team, would put Tropp's spot in jeopardy (the only guy who doesn't have to clear waivers).

Andrej Shakira 07-19-2012 11:56 AM

I like his game so I hope he comes in ready to play NHL and not AHL hockey this season.

DixonWard15 07-19-2012 12:03 PM

I would rather have Tropp in the line up than Kaleta

gallagt01 07-19-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DixonWard15 (Post 52714781)
I would rather have Tropp in the line up than Kaleta

I'd like to have both in the lineup, personally.

Layne Staley 07-19-2012 12:37 PM

Putting Tropp on the "top" line is a mistake. And he wasn't THAT physical last year, only had 1.38 hits per game. Maybe in comparing him to the rest of the team then he is very physical but in the grand scheme of things he didn't hit that often. And 3 goals in 34 games is pretty bad, rookie or no rookie. No way should he play with Vanek, if anything put Grigorenko on the wing in that spot instead of Tropp.

Timbo Slice 07-19-2012 12:42 PM

I think he'll make the team out of camp, for sure. I would be surprised/disappointed if he didn't.

gallagt01 07-19-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Layne Staley (Post 52716497)
Putting Tropp on the "top" line is a mistake. And he wasn't THAT physical last year, only had 1.38 hits per game. Maybe in comparing him to the rest of the team then he is very physical but in the grand scheme of things he didn't hit that often. And 3 goals in 34 games is pretty bad, rookie or no rookie. No way should he play with Vanek, if anything put Grigorenko on the wing in that spot instead of Tropp.

That you put "top" in quotes is to me indicative that you understand that Lindy Ruff wasn't rolling an offensive "number one line" last season.

Tropp reinvigorated Vanek/Hodgson late in the year. He was a tireless worker that finished his checks and fore-checked hard.

He had three goals in 34 games as a rookie. You pointed as much out. If I recall correctly, he typically played on the third/fourth lines until his stint with Vanek and Hodgson, so it's not really relevant how many goals he scored because he wasn't in a goal-scorers role.

He's displayed finish and offensive instincts through every step of his development. He'll by no means light the world on fire, but basing how he'll play offensively on several stints as a rookie when he wasn't used in a scorers role is extremely ignorant.

Myllz 07-19-2012 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loods (Post 52717087)
That you put "top" in quotes is to me indicative that you understand that Lindy Ruff wasn't rolling an offensive "number one line" last season.

Tropp reinvigorated Vanek/Hodgson late in the year. He was a tireless worker that finished his checks and fore-checked hard.

He had three goals in 34 games as a rookie. You pointed as much out. If I recall correctly, he typically played on the third/fourth lines until his stint with Vanek and Hodgson, so it's not really relevant how many goals he scored because he wasn't in a goal-scorers role.

He's displayed finish and offensive instincts through every step of his development. He'll by no means light the world on fire, but basing how he'll play offensively on several stints as a rookie when he wasn't used in a scorers role is extremely ignorant.

While not wrong, I think Ott can do more for Vanek/Hodgson than Tropp can. Assuming Ott doesn't play center, anyway.

gallagt01 07-19-2012 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Myllz (Post 52717503)
While not wrong, I think Ott can do more for Vanek/Hodgson than Tropp can. Assuming Ott doesn't play center, anyway.

I think both players can work in that role. But why should the amount of "hard to play against" players be limited?

I feel that Ott would work well with Leino and Pominville. The faceoff situation would be taken care of. Ott frees up some space for his linemates. Leino can feed Pominville while Ott crashes the net looking for junk. It's similar to how Vanek and Hodgson worked with Tropp and Stafford and Ennis worked with Foligno.

Play4Miracles* 07-19-2012 01:11 PM

Tropp is has very average hands and strength, but he is high on the speed and attitude chart. Guys like that usually find a home on the PK sooner or later.

If I HAD to choose between Tropp and Kaleta...hmmmm

Kaleta. But as of today we need both of those guys fo sho

Stop Winnin 07-19-2012 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Play4Miracles (Post 52718303)
Tropp is has very average hands and strength, but he is high on the speed and attitude chart. Guys like that usually find a home on the PK sooner or later.

If I HAD to choose between Tropp and Kaleta...hmmmm

Kaleta. But as of today we need both of those guys fo sho

As of right now he is a better scorer and passer and I would argue skater than Kaleta is. He can actually work with the puck as opposed to Kaleta. The only thing Kaleta has going for him is he has experience on the PK but we have many penalty killers so I think we'll be fine without him.

tsujimoto74 07-19-2012 01:24 PM

imo, there's gonna be a battle at camp this year between Girgogrenko, Tropp, Adam, and maybe even Girgensons for that last roster spot (with Vanek flipping wings as necessary depending on who makes it). If Tropp isn't on the roster at the start of the season, he's probably very high on the call-up list.

New Sabres Captain 07-19-2012 01:29 PM

Tropp's role next to Hodgson/Vanek was NOT to score goals. He was there to retrieve pucks and open up space for the other two guys.

Would it be nice if he chipped in more? Sure--and that's why a guy like Ott might be a better choice in that role. But Tropp is contributing--it's not his goal total going up, but Vanek and Hodgson.

gallagt01 07-19-2012 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrigsAndGirgs (Post 52719201)
Tropp's role next to Hodgson/Vanek was NOT to score goals. He was there to retrieve pucks and open up space for the other two guys.

Would it be nice if he chipped in more? Sure--and that's why a guy like Ott might be a better choice in that role. But Tropp is contributing--it's not his goal total going up, but Vanek and Hodgson.

Agreed entirely. And it's not unrealistic to think his totals will go up as his offensive game grows acclimated to the NHL.

Chainshot 07-19-2012 01:34 PM

There is more to the game than simply scoring or picking up assists.

Edit - beaten to the punch.

SabresFanNorthPortFL 07-19-2012 02:43 PM

I still believe there will be a top 6 player added. No way DR & TP will be content with Roy for Ott flip, no way.

I'm not one of the majority in bringging Kaleta back. Injuries and track record with the league offices are my biggest concerns, which is why I'd rather have Tropp there (4th line).

I see Ott being plugged in where needed, and that need will be shifts as the 4th line center.....Gerbe - Ott - Tropp.

I can see one of the Girgs/Grigs getting a winger shot IF THEY HAVE A GOOD CAMP, and the way Girgs played in the development camp, he could become a darling of the organization.

I see pairings set, not lines, besides FES. I see Vanek - Hodgson and Leino - Pomms as pairs. Depending on who they bring in, depends on where Ott takes his normal top 6 spot.

I just am not thrilled with Gerbe - McCormick - Kaleta. I like Gerbe - Ott - Tropp much better. I know we didn't trade for Ott to play 4th line center but at times it could work. Flip a dman for a forward, and come on, you know it's going to be hard for Doan not to take the money......

Foligno - Ennis - Stafford
Vanek - CoHo - Doan
Leino - trade/Girgs - Pomms
Gerbe - Ott - Tropp

Bye-bye Kaleta and Leo. I could live with that lineup.


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