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capfit9 07-20-2012 03:33 PM

New CBA - RFA's
 
Would raising compensation levels for RFA's deter other teams from handing out offer sheets ?

Right now it seems as if though some of the good young players whom are about to hit RFA status hold a lot of the leverage when negotiating their contracts. This seems to create a lot of pressure for G.M.'s and leads to handing out big amounts of money with artificial years added to them rather than competing with other teams during free agency. If we were to raise compensation levels for RFA's, I think that would shift some leverage back to G.M.'s trying to negotiate with the RFA's as rival G.M's would be somewhat adverse to handing out offer sheets. I also believe this would impact some of the inflated prices that are paid out to some of the UFA's these days as they would use comparable players in determining their value.

What do you guys think???

sorry if it's too wordy just thinking out loud.

Predaleafs 07-20-2012 03:37 PM

I think if they drop the salary cap back to 50 million and stop with the massive inflation that keeps going on.Heres an article that shows some of these numbers.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...s-2012-edition

Players salarys are going up because the teams have more money to spend. Keep it at 50-60 million and players wont be making as much as we see.Fourth liners can now get 2 million a season because the cap is at 70 million

Mess 07-20-2012 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capfit9 (Post 52766557)
Would raising compensation levels for RFA's deter other teams from handing out offer sheets ?

Right now it seems as if though some of the good young players whom are about to hit RFA status hold a lot of the leverage when negotiating their contracts. This seems to create a lot of pressure for G.M.'s and leads to handing out big amounts of money with artificial years added to them rather than competing with other teams during free agency. If we were to raise compensation levels for RFA's, I think that would shift some leverage back to G.M.'s trying to negotiate with the RFA's as rival G.M's would be somewhat adverse to handing out offer sheets. I also believe this would impact some of the inflated prices that are paid out to some of the UFA's these days as they would use comparable players in determining their value.

What do you guys think???

sorry if it's too wordy just thinking out loud.

The NHLPA players are 1/2 the CBA equation, and why would they want to see your suggestion approved?

Its in their best interest to have them lowered even to allow for more movement and competition for their services through bidding wars which increases their earning potential by more offer sheets offered.

capfit9 07-20-2012 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mess (Post 52766837)
The NHLPA players are 1/2 the CBA equation, and why would they want to see your suggestion approved?

Its in their best interest to have them lowered even to allow for more movement and competition for their services through bidding wars which increases their earning potential by more offer sheets offered.

That is absolutely true but when you compare where the owners are trying to direct free agency within the CBA with their latest offer, in terms of black and white restrictions i.e., contract length, I think this is a better alternative for both sides whereas the market is controlled through mechanisms like the one above instead of concrete controls that defeat the purpose of a free market.

-DeMo- 07-20-2012 05:07 PM

how many offer sheets has actually been signed since the new CBA? Kesler, Vanek, Hjalmarsson(or however his name is spelled), Weber, penner anyone else I missed? so 5 in what 7 years? there have been big name players like Doughty, Stamkos, Staal all guys who are All-stars and better players then guys like Kesler(at the time), Hjalmarsson, Penner and were not signed to offersheets. plus there has only been 1 successful Offersheet and it worked out terribly for the Edmonton Oilers.

offersheets imo are not a problem, most of the time teams don't need to worry about them, and I dont think they are driving the price up on players ethier.

Faltorvo 07-20-2012 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capfit9 (Post 52766557)
Would raising compensation levels for RFA's deter other teams from handing out offer sheets ?

Right now it seems as if though some of the good young players whom are about to hit RFA status hold a lot of the leverage when negotiating their contracts. This seems to create a lot of pressure for G.M.'s and leads to handing out big amounts of money with artificial years added to them rather than competing with other teams during free agency. If we were to raise compensation levels for RFA's, I think that would shift some leverage back to G.M.'s trying to negotiate with the RFA's as rival G.M's would be somewhat adverse to handing out offer sheets. I also believe this would impact some of the inflated prices that are paid out to some of the UFA's these days as they would use comparable players in determining their value.

What do you guys think???

sorry if it's too wordy just thinking out loud.

Raise the compensation??????

You are kidding right.

So few RFAs get offer sheets as it is, to the point where many suspect collusion is going on.

If anything they need to change the percieved value of those draft picks.

Phillies 1rst have a much greater potential to be far less valuable then say EDMs or NYIs or even ours for that matter.

The difference in value of top 5 picks compared to 20,30 added up over 4 draft years is MASSIVE.

Picture what it would cost your team to move from say slot 25 to even slot 5 , four years in a row. Let alone , say slot 28-30 into the top 3 or even #1.

For fun lets argue that the leafs did a offer sheet to Bost for Kessel for the same 4 1rst compensation that Nashville is in line for.

Bost would have recieved the 2nd,9th,5th and maybe another top 10.

Now , who wins that deal. Even if you switch Kessel for Weber.

capfit9 07-20-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -DeMo- (Post 52769449)
how many offer sheets has actually been signed since the new CBA? Kesler, Vanek, Hjalmarsson(or however his name is spelled), Weber, penner anyone else I missed? so 5 in what 7 years? there have been big name players like Doughty, Stamkos, Staal all guys who are All-stars and better players then guys like Kesler(at the time), Hjalmarsson, Penner and were not signed to offersheets. plus there has only been 1 successful Offersheet and it worked out terribly for the Edmonton Oilers.

offersheets imo are not a problem, most of the time teams don't need to worry about them, and I dont think they are driving the price up on players ethier.

The reason there haven't been that many offer sheets are because GM's sign their players before free agency even starts at inflated value. they FEAR that their players will get offer sheeted so they overpay them either in terms of AAV or Term. Most of the time when another team offered any of the players they were over-valued at that time (i.e., Ryan Kesler getting $2.5M from Flyers was perceived to be a gross over payment and Nonis got berated for matching it) And it is not about whether the player switches teams or not, it's the perceived inflated value of an RFA.

-DeMo- 07-20-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capfit9 (Post 52771057)
The reason there haven't been that many offer sheets are because GM's sign their players before free agency even starts at inflated value. they FEAR that their players will get offer sheeted so they overpay them either in terms of AAV or Term. Most of the time when another team offered any of the players they were over-valued at that time (i.e., Ryan Kesler getting $2.5M from Flyers was perceived to be a gross over payment and Nonis got berated for matching it) And it is not about whether the player switches teams or not, it's the perceived inflated value of an RFA.

don't agree with your first sentence please provide examples. 3 all-stars in the last 2 years went beyond july 1st, Stamkos, Doughty, Staal and none signed offersheets. offersheets are rare and not because there isn't talent available. it's because most of the time teams know the other team will match

Faltorvo 07-20-2012 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by capfit9 (Post 52771057)
The reason there haven't been that many offer sheets are because GM's sign their players before free agency even starts at inflated value. they FEAR that their players will get offer sheeted so they overpay them either in terms of AAV or Term. Most of the time when another team offered any of the players they were over-valued at that time (i.e., Ryan Kesler getting $2.5M from Flyers was perceived to be a gross over payment and Nonis got berated for matching it) And it is not about whether the player switches teams or not, it's the perceived inflated value of an RFA.

Sorry Cap, but i don't see how it's inflated value.

Ones value is what even just 1 GM is willing to pay.

It's not all about comparables to what others are making.

Faltorvo 07-20-2012 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by -DeMo- (Post 52772273)
don't agree with your first sentence please provide examples. 3 all-stars in the last 2 years went beyond july 1st, Stamkos, Doughty, Staal and none signed offersheets. offersheets are rare and not because there isn't talent available. it's because most of the time teams know the other team will match

IIRC 5 offer sheets in 7 years, smells more like collusion then any issue with the RFA set up.

What i don't like about the RFA set up is that not all 1rsts are equal in value.

RFA does favor the strong teams when it comes to chasing the top RFAs.

LMAO! imagine if this was EDM doing this 4 years ago.

MSP,Hall,RNH,Yak, now would anyone be *****en that they lost Weber.


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