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24stanleycups* 07-23-2012 03:51 PM

The Hockey News: Habs Draft 2012 = A+
 
There's no question that with the exception of a couple blips on Trevor Timmins career, he has been one of, if not the best scouts in the NHL in recent history. My question is, with next year projected to be an even stronger draft than the crazy, getzlaf, parise, carter, perry, richards, staal one, should we, instead of seeing where our health carry's us this year, be shipping off, our vets for picks. Gionta, Bourque, kaberle, markov, gomez, and even...erik cole. i mean..those guys just don't fit in with the era we're trying to build for. Alex galchenyuk isn't going to be the player we need him to be until those guys are sipping margarita's in the carribean, ya know? Nor is beulieu or tinordi, or collberg, or leblanc or next years pick. What do you guys think?

Andros777 07-23-2012 03:55 PM

I don't understand the title of the thread.

Don't trade anyone. We might have a hum-ha team but lets not be a bunch of losers like the guys over in Edmonton.

MaxLacoste 07-23-2012 03:57 PM

We already have one 1st and three 2nd rounds. Just that is enough too build a solid foundation for the future of this club. But I think Montreal can make the playoff if they stay healthy. If we're not in the playoff picture closer to the deadline, then trade our veterans for draft pick. They will have better value too. But the 2013 draft is full of talent, it's a good one to focus on.

Takashi 07-23-2012 03:59 PM

Why are you trying to do like edmonton? :shakehead you CAN'T win with only young players, rookies .. You need vets like Cole to win a stanley cup !

Picaroon 07-23-2012 04:16 PM

Reality check here. Those guys you mention are not going to step in their first year and carry this team. It's just not realistic. We need to keep a few of the older core guys until they are ready. Unless you want a loser team for 3 years. As it has been said countless times (yet never enough) "let's be patient."

SouthernHab 07-23-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 24stanleycups (Post 52862849)
There's no question that with the exception of a couple blips on Trevor Timmins career, he has been one of, if not the best scouts in the NHL in recent history. My question is, with next year projected to be an even stronger draft than the crazy, getzlaf, parise, carter, perry, richards, staal one, should we, instead of seeing where our health carry's us this year, be shipping off, our vets for picks. Gionta, Bourque, kaberle, markov, gomez, and even...erik cole. i mean..those guys just don't fit in with the era we're trying to build for. Alex galchenyuk isn't going to be the player we need him to be until those guys are sipping margarita's in the carribean, ya know? Nor is beulieu or tinordi, or collberg, or leblanc or next years pick. What do you guys think?

Not a knock on Trevor Timmins, but hasnt he been in the Montreal organization for over a decade?

So he COULD have drafted Parise, Perry, Richards, Getzlaf, Carter, Staal.

Lets see....we got A Kostitsyn, Cory Urquhart, Max Lapierre, O'Byrne, Locke, Danny Stewart, Christopher Heino-Lindberg, Flood, Korpikari, Jimmy Bonneau (my favorite ;) ) and Halak.

And who is to say that this year's draft will be any better?

NHL organizations play to win, not to lose to get a better draft pick. A prospect is just that........a prospect. Many many "Superstars" in Juniors and Colleges never make it to the NHL, much less become a franchise player.

FAIL.:shakehead

Habsfan18 07-23-2012 04:26 PM

OP is talking about our draft grade from the latest issue of THN.

Joey 07-23-2012 04:49 PM

..link?

Habsfan18 07-23-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Joey (Post 52866231)
..link?

It's from a magazine. I don't think it has been posted on their site yet.

Joey 07-23-2012 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Habsfan18 (Post 52866411)
It's from a magazine. I don't think it has been posted on their site yet.

thanks

feds91 07-23-2012 05:47 PM

No surprise here, pretty much every single prognosticator said Habs had an excellent draft. Habs were fortunate that a lot of players who were suppose to been taken 1 round earlier were still available when it was their turn to draft.

WeeBey 07-23-2012 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 52864645)
Not a knock on Trevor Timmins, but hasnt he been in the Montreal organization for over a decade?

So he COULD have drafted Parise, Perry, Richards, Getzlaf, Carter, Staal.

A lot of pre-draft rankings had Kostitsyn in the top 5, ahead of all those guys save Staal.

And speaking of Staal, no, Timmins couldn't have picked him.

le_sean 07-23-2012 06:27 PM

Loved the draft results when it happened, but I get skeptical when everyone praises the Habs. Now there are expectations. If these players don't turn out to be much of anything, everyone in analyzing future drafts will say "this has been a great draft for Team X...but we said the same thing with Montreal in 2012".

Looking at it right now, it was the right approach. Every player they picked, save for Nystrom, was the BPA.

SouthernHab 07-23-2012 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WeeBey (Post 52869829)
A lot of pre-draft rankings had Kostitsyn in the top 5, ahead of all those guys save Staal.

And speaking of Staal, no, Timmins couldn't have picked him.

Thats my point. For all those who are wanting us to lose to get a "great pick", there is no such thing as proved by A. Kostitsyn.

Timmins is great at making picks based on scouting reports. The future outcome of a player? Well, that is difficult at best.

Peter Puck 07-23-2012 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 52879937)
Thats my point. For all those who are wanting us to lose to get a "great pick", there is no such thing as proved by A. Kostitsyn.

Timmins is great at making picks based on scouting reports. The future outcome of a player? Well, that is difficult at best.

What method do you prefer to using scouting reports?

Belso 07-23-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter Puck (Post 52881187)
What method do you prefer to using scouting reports?

Tea leaves and ouija boards. Where you been??? :sarcasm:

Vasculio 07-23-2012 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 52879937)
Thats my point. For all those who are wanting us to lose to get a "great pick", there is no such thing as proved by A. Kostitsyn.

Timmins is great at making picks based on scouting reports. The future outcome of a player? Well, that is difficult at best.

And you're great at spitting stuff based on nothing. You should apply as the Habs head scout :sarcasm:

The Gal Pals 07-23-2012 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andros777 (Post 52863139)
I don't understand the title of the thread.

Don't trade anyone. We might have a hum-ha team but lets not be a bunch of losers like the guys over in Edmonton.

I'm gonna start a thread called "PK Subban signs multiyear extension" and only talk about what David Desharnais eats for breakfast.

overlords 07-23-2012 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by airic000 (Post 52882255)
I'm gonna start a thread called "PK Subban signs multiyear extension" and only talk about what David Desharnais eats for breakfast.

Definitely mini wheats.

Gabe84 07-23-2012 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 52884269)
Definitely mini wheats.

I give this post an A+

(There, back on topic!)

InglewoodJack 07-24-2012 12:57 AM

Every year is supposed to be "tha deepest eva!!!"

But in 10 months, it's gonna end up being a slightly above average crop.

Estimated_Prophet 07-24-2012 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SouthernHab (Post 52879937)
Thats my point. For all those who are wanting us to lose to get a "great pick", there is no such thing as proved by A. Kostitsyn.

Timmins is great at making picks based on scouting reports. The future outcome of a player? Well, that is difficult at best.


You don't make any sense at all......

I swear, we should have a minor league forum where people have to demonstrate a certain level of knowledge before graduating to the main forum.

LeMAD 07-24-2012 07:17 AM

Well it is true that tanking doesn't always work. Though next year seems like a solid draft. But a guy like Galchenyuk is far from being sure to become a good NHLer.

WeThreeKings 07-24-2012 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by InglewoodJack (Post 52888501)
Every year is supposed to be "tha deepest eva!!!"

But in 10 months, it's gonna end up being a slightly above average crop.

Uh, no.

2012 was never supposed to be a deep year.

2013 is going to be exceptional and I believe 2015 is looking good, but it's far too early to tell.

You'll get a franchise player if you pick in the top 10 this year. It's really looking like 2003 where almost everybody will get an above average NHL player.

Paul Dipietro 07-24-2012 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMAD (Post 52891937)
Well it is true that tanking doesn't always work. Though next year seems like a solid draft. But a guy like Galchenyuk is far from being sure to become a good NHLer.

When did this happen? For a while there I was sure we had something special...


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