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Soli 07-24-2012 04:18 PM

Trade Rumors and Proposals Thread
 
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Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 52915403)
The biggest thing is the Preds can't "get anything" for including this, as far as I know. They can't shave dollars or signing bonuses, so they stand to GAIN nothing from giving Weber's camp this, so it seems unlikely to me.

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Originally Posted by Pennertration (Post 52915341)
A 14-year injury bug? They'll be fine. This gives them a lot of time to figure out what to do with Weber, even if he ends up being a jerk about it - and I'm not sure that he will.

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52915311)
If he doesn't agree to a contract without a NTC does that void Nashville matching and leave him as a perpetual RFA?

If so I'm starting to understand the Weber camp's strategy here.

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Originally Posted by Pennertration (Post 52915269)
Really like that Nashville is matching. Gives them control over the asset again and puts them in the driver's seat in terms of asking price. There's a pretty nice floor in terms of what they can ask for in return for Weber.

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Originally Posted by Oilbleeder (Post 52915239)
I wouldnt be surprised to see Weber want out after a calendar year. Him and his agent have made it clear imo that they want to play elsewhere. I guess Nash thinks one year of overpaying for Weber is worth for a better return than just taking 4 1sts.

Nashville needs to pray Weber doesnt get hit with an injury bug.

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Originally Posted by Skm (Post 52915109)
Except what about the real possibility in the new CBA that there is a 5 or 7 year cap on contracts? This would have given him probably $50M more...I can't blame a guy for not wanting to leave that kind of money on the table..

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Originally Posted by Ace35 (Post 52914979)
What he said!!

If Weber wanted absolute control of his future, he needed to be patient one more season.

See ya
Ace

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52914785)
Ya, no idea why they would give him that. Just means that when Weber throws a fit and wants out he gets to give them a list of teams. It makes no sense what so ever. I can't believe that Weber even asked for one.

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Originally Posted by hockeyaddict101 (Post 52914771)
If they do that I will question their sanity. In one year Weber would ask for a trade and they have basically hooped themselves.

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Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 52914643)
Yes, the Rick Nash situation should give them alot of pause on the idea of the NTC/NMC.

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Originally Posted by hockeyaddict101 (Post 52914583)
I was out to lunch. Craig Button tweets.

Article 10.3 (b) allows for additional terms as may be agreed upon between RFA & prior club. So Nashville & Weber could agree on NTC/NMC.

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Not sure why the Predators would do so but.....

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Originally Posted by JustinCider (Post 52914085)
Teams would be lined up to get him. I really don't think the Preds had a choice, they had to match. The deal from Philly would of had to have been unreal, let's say...

Coutourier
B. Schenn
L. Schenn
1st Round Pick

Something like that. The bad thing for Shea is, this probably prevents the Preds from making any major improvements to the team over the next 4 years. They'll continue to be a solid team, playoff contender, anywhere from 4th to 10th in the West. I'm sure Weber wanted the deal to go through. He got his money, but he's never gonna win a cup in Nashville. The packages for him next summer are gonna be huge.


joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:29 PM

Does Weber need a NTC or could he just make it known that he only wants to go to PHI next summer? Would that scare teams away?

okgooil 07-24-2012 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 52916101)
Does Weber need a NTC or could he just make it known that he only wants to go to PHI next summer? Would that scare teams away?

Well Weber can be a professional or he can be a baby. It is up to him, but he has to realize doing the later will hurt his reputation greatly.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52916483)
Well Weber can be a professional or he can be a baby. It is up to him, but he has to realize doing the later will hurt his reputation greatly.

Will he care is the question?

worraps 07-24-2012 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52916483)
Well Weber can be a professional or he can be a baby. It is up to him, but he has to realize doing the later will hurt his reputation greatly.

Almost every player of his stature has a NTC, if I were him I'd demand one. It's not all about boning the Preds, it is also about controlling where he ends up for the next 14 years of his life.

OilerTyler 07-24-2012 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52916687)
Almost every player of his stature has a NTC, if I were him I'd demand one. It's not all about boning the Preds, it is also about controlling where he ends up for the next 14 years of his life.

If he cares about that he shouldn't have signed the contract until Philly added a NTC

hockeyaddict101 07-24-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52916687)
Almost every player of his stature has a NTC, if I were him I'd demand one. It's not all about boning the Preds, it is also about controlling where he ends up for the next 14 years of his life.

Why should Nashville possibly agree to it at this juncture?

If he wanted one, why did he not get his agent to add it to the offer sheet?

okgooil 07-24-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52916687)
Almost every player of his stature has a NTC, if I were him I'd demand one. It's not all about boning the Preds, it is also about controlling where he ends up for the next 14 years of his life.

? I don't blame him for wanting one, but he didn't sign one.

When he entered the NHL he knew (as all players do) they don't have complete control over where they play. If he wants complete control over where he lives, he shouldn't have become a pro athlete.

okgooil 07-24-2012 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 52916663)
Will he care is the question?

I agree, guess we will find out.

He has two choices.
1. just be a pro and play.
2. make a huge scene.

I am guessing he will do 1, but he might just opt for 2 yet.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52916687)
Almost every player of his stature has a NTC, if I were him I'd demand one. It's not all about boning the Preds, it is also about controlling where he ends up for the next 14 years of his life.

Let him demand one I doubt it means anything that he wants one.

At this point him wanting a NTC is like him wanting to play for PHI during the 12-13 NHL campaign. If he wants he can by NHL13 and trade himself to PHI.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52916879)
? I don't blame him for wanting one, but he didn't sign one.

When he entered the NHL he knew (as all players do) they don't have complete control over where they play. If he wants complete control over where he lives, he shouldn't have become a pro athlete.

He couldn't sign one, so :laugh::laugh::laugh: at Weber.

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52916953)
I agree, guess we will find out.

He has two choices.
1. just be a pro and play.
2. make a huge scene.

I am guessing he will do 1, but he might just opt for 2 yet.

He's kinda made a scene already.

Real curious to see what happens next. Does he come out and just say "i wanted to get my money before the new CBA"? If so who can blame him? Or does he come out and say "**** this noise"?

hockeyaddict101 07-24-2012 04:47 PM

If Nashville agreed to a NTC, I hope that he demands a trade next year.

If they are that stupid then they deserve what they get

joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyaddict101 (Post 52917165)
If Nashville agreed to a NTC, I hope that he demands a trade next year.

If they are that stupid then they deserve what they get

Maybe just maybe they give him a limited NTC. But I hope if they do it's just one that allows him to pick a handful of teams he doesn't want to go to. Even then I wouldn't give it.

worraps 07-24-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hockeyaddict101 (Post 52916865)
Why should Nashville possibly agree to it at this juncture?

If he wanted one, why did he not get his agent to add it to the offer sheet?

I'm not 100% clear on this but apparently NTC's aren't attached to the offer sheets but can be negotiated afterwards. Presumably, if they don't give it to him and he disputes it, he isn't bound by the contract.

worraps 07-24-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 52916879)
? I don't blame him for wanting one, but he didn't sign one.

When he entered the NHL he knew (as all players do) they don't have complete control over where they play. If he wants complete control over where he lives, he shouldn't have become a pro athlete.

Except for most of his peers (league superstars) have control over where they live despite being pro athletes through NTCs.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52917535)
Except for most of his peers (league superstars) have control over where they live despite being pro athletes through NTCs.

They didn't sign offer sheets that took that bonus away from them.

hockeyaddict101 07-24-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52917437)
I'm not 100% clear on this but apparently NTC's aren't attached to the offer sheets but can be negotiated afterwards. Presumably, if they don't give it to him he isn't bound by the contract.

Oh well.

I would say sucks to be him but after getting that kind of money, I can't say I feel any sympathy.

backhandsauce 07-24-2012 04:57 PM

any predictions from fellow hf posters on who the top 4 dman will be if we do infact aquire one?

worraps 07-24-2012 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 52917589)
They didn't sign offer sheets that took that bonus away from them.

From what I'm reading on twitter the offer sheet didn't take the NTC away from him:

Craig ButtonVerified ‏@CraigJButton
Offer sheet contains only Principal Terms. Limited to term, salary, signing &/or reporting bonus in specific installments on specific dates.

Craig ButtonVerified ‏@CraigJButton
Article 10.3 (b) allows for additional terms as may be agreed upon between RFA & prior club. So Nashville & Weber could agree on NTC/NMC.

If I'm Weber I don't agree to anything that doesn't have a NTC.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 05:00 PM

Maybe it's time for a new type of NTC/NMC

Nash gives him one, but if he isn't playing at a 75 games played pace or 50 point pace then you don't get it. You also have to pick 15 teams.

Also if Kane signs deal Enstrom and Hainsey are on the market.

joestevens29 07-24-2012 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by worraps (Post 52917737)
From what I'm reading on twitter the offer sheet didn't take the NTC away from him:

Craig ButtonVerified ‏@CraigJButton
Offer sheet contains only Principal Terms. Limited to term, salary, signing &/or reporting bonus in specific installments on specific dates.

Craig ButtonVerified ‏@CraigJButton
Article 10.3 (b) allows for additional terms as may be agreed upon between RFA & prior club. So Nashville & Weber could agree on NTC/NMC.

If I'm Weber I don't agree to anything that doesn't have a NTC.

That's not how it reads. You can't get a NTC/NMC in an offer sheet. If the teams want to discuss one after the deal if official then so be it, but the NTC doesn't prevent the contract from being signed.

hockeyaddict101 07-24-2012 05:12 PM

I really think the whole NTC, NMC have got out of hand. Originally designed to protect players from being traded to teams, now used as hammer to basically be a UFA when demanding a trade.

Really don't like them.

worraps 07-24-2012 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 52917973)
That's not how it reads. You can't get a NTC/NMC in an offer sheet. If the teams want to discuss one after the deal if official then so be it, but the NTC doesn't prevent the contract from being signed.

That's not how I read it and I don't think that is how Button wrote it.

From what he wrote: the offer sheet is limited to the bare bones of a contract and it is left to the team and the player to flesh out the rest of the contract after the process has been completed.

I can't imagine that the CBA allows for teams matching offer sheets to do an end run on aspects of the contract beyond term, salary, and singing bonuses.

T-Funk 07-24-2012 05:19 PM

I think all NTC should just include a list of 10 teams you WON'T go to and that list should never be able to changed unless in the case of a team moving.

BowDangles 07-24-2012 05:43 PM

Is the general HF Oilers fan happy with the roster right now? Or are you guys with the general consensus that they need one more top 4 dman?


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