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BigG44 07-25-2012 04:49 PM

[#7] Voting -- HFStars 2012 Top-20 Prospects -- [#8] Discussion
 
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pos.
country
acquired
round
change
% of vote
1
 ‏‏‏‏Jack Campbell
G
2010
1st
0
37.7
2
 ‏‏‏‏Jamie Oleksiak
D
2011
1st
2
48.0
3
 ‏‏‏‏Alex Chiasson
RW
2009
2nd
2
57.1
4
 ‏‏‏‏Radek Faksa
C
2012
1st
new
73.5
5
 ‏‏‏‏Brenden Dillon
D
2011
FA
7
43.9
6
 ‏‏‏‏Patrik Nemeth
D
2010
2nd
2
38.5

MetalGodAOD 07-25-2012 05:00 PM

This will be a landslide for Eakin, who I like. But I'm still going Fraser, as I think he has more upside and isn't much further off from the NHL.

BigG44 07-25-2012 05:04 PM

Would be interesting to see Eakin, Glennie, and Fraser go the next three. Could be Dallas' future Peg line.

Hopefully Winnipeg gets to the West ASAP. I'm sure they'd dominate the Jets .... showoffs.

I think I'm going Glennie, Eakin, and Reilly for the next three though.

Fly Like a C5 07-25-2012 05:13 PM

7. Eakin
8. Fraser - I know he has some issues with his skating and defense, but he knows how to score goals. The skating and defensive issues can be worked out. Starting the season in Cedar Park will be good for him, and I think he'll be one of the first call ups.

Phil Connors* 07-25-2012 05:21 PM

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on Fraser. 37 goals in the AHL isn't bad. Is he sniping those or just pick up garbage/crashing the net?

BigG44 07-25-2012 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaallMunson18 (Post 52957151)
Can anyone give me a quick rundown on Fraser. 37 goals in the AHL isn't bad. Is he sniping those or just pick up garbage/crashing the net?

Cin is a better reference, but the few games I saw where he scored he has a very good, "goal scorer's" shot.

His only flaws are defense and skating, but hard work usually can fix that. As long as he's committed to bust his *** in the off-season, that shouldn't hold him back from the NHL. My only knock ... and it's probably nitpicking ... is why hasn't he done anything about the skating yet? Guys like Jamie Benn and Alex Chiasson with obvious skating flaws essentially put that label behind them pretty quickly. I don't know enough about Fraser's career before Dallas though. Maybe he dealt with off-season injuries when he was younger that prevented him from training to his best ability in the summer.

BigG44 07-25-2012 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigG44 (Post 52956417)
Would be interesting to see Eakin, Glennie, and Fraser go the next three. Could be Dallas' future Peg line.

Hopefully Winnipeg gets to the West ASAP. I'm sure they'd dominate the Jets .... showoffs.

I think I'm going Glennie, Eakin, and Reilly for the next three though.

I'm a bonehead. I just realized I confused Garbutt's home with Fraser. Fraser isn't from Winnipeg. The three Peg guys are Eakin, Glennie, and Garbutt.

LatvianTwist 07-25-2012 09:48 PM

Can't vote yet, but it'll be Eakin here easy.

R. Smith is next for me. Him and Fraser are both mostly goal scorers, but Smith seems more well rounded and I think he'll have a better career.

crazy Kassian 07-25-2012 10:06 PM

Eakin going 7th, very nice prospect pool

Cin 07-25-2012 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReaallMunson18 (Post 52957151)
Can anyone give me a quick rundown on Fraser. 37 goals in the AHL isn't bad. Is he sniping those or just pick up garbage/crashing the net?

He's a defense's worst nightmare. He's a player who is just always in the right place to score, and it's not luck. He's one of the few who can see the game ahead of everybody else, so it looks like he's a magnet for the puck. Good shot helps too.

Holy crap our prospect pool is deep when our number 8 has 37 goals in the AHL.

Hull Fan 07-26-2012 12:23 AM

Everyone *****es about his skating but it's already improved from what it was & going to gary roberts camp will only make it better. I'm not making the exact comparison but Brett Hull didn't have good skating but knew where to go on the ice and had a way above average shot just like Fraser. I see him more as a Ryder clone but regardless his offense makes up for his defincies which I think are overblown. Scoring matters and his shot plus positioning is more than acceptable.

MetalGodAOD 07-26-2012 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hull Fan (Post 52971809)
Everyone *****es about his skating but it's already improved from what it was & going to gary roberts camp will only make it better. I'm not making the exact comparison but Brett Hull didn't have good skating but knew where to go on the ice and had a way above average shot just like Fraser. I see him more as a Ryder clone but regardless his offense makes up for his defincies which I think are overblown. Scoring matters and his shot plus positioning is more than acceptable.

This. Its why I've been voting him since #5. 37 goals at the AHL level >>>>>> anything the remaining forward prospects have proven.

Dave Karp 07-26-2012 01:23 AM

Eakin and then Fraser. I'd like to rank Glennie next after Eakin due to his draft pedigree but you cannot dispute Fraser's scoring prowess in the AHL.

LatvianTwist 07-26-2012 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Karp (Post 52973261)
Eakin and then Fraser. I'd like to rank Glennie next after Eakin due to his draft pedigree but you cannot dispute Fraser's scoring prowess in the AHL.

Draft pedigree should mean absolutely nothing outside of the most recent draftees. If it didn't, Glennie would be a better prospect than Chiasson, R. Smith, and Vincour, which clearly isn't true.

The one thing that Glennie has on most of our other forwards is that he's more of a playmaker than a sniper. Fraser and R. Smith are primarily goal scorers, and I wouldn't expect Chiasson to be one either. That's the one hole we have in our organization at this point, a playmaking winger, which is why I think Glennie will eventually have a spot in the NHL.

MetalGodAOD 07-26-2012 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 52973549)

The one thing that Glennie has on most of our other forwards is that he's more of a playmaker than a sniper. Fraser and R. Smith are primarily goal scorers, and I wouldn't expect Chiasson to be one either. That's the one hole we have in our organization at this point, a playmaking winger, which is why I think Glennie will eventually have a spot in the NHL.

By all accounts isn't Chiasson a playmaking winger?

English stars fan 07-26-2012 06:18 AM

Went Eakin here. Next up is a real tricky one. Glennie, Smith and Fraser all around a similar level. For me I think Fraser takes it though. 37 goals in the A is not to be sniffed at and if he can work out his skating and defense there's no reason he couldn't be a perennial 20 goal guy. I see Smith and Glennie being perhaps more rounded 2-way players who may well prove to me more valuable long term, but Fraser has and always has had that goalscoring touch at ever level.

BigG44 07-26-2012 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnholyPrince (Post 52974273)
By all accounts isn't Chiasson a playmaking winger?

Just based on the times I watched him at BU, I wouldn't label him a sniper or a playmaker because he's not a one trick pony. He does it all. He has a well rounded offensive game to go along with his polished defensive game.

At the NCAA level with BU, he seemed to be the Terriers version of Loui Eriksson. They don't exactly play identical games (like Jere and Loui do), but they both are (were in Chiasson's case) the primary guy you could put in any situation for their team. In Chiasson's case, he had the added dimension of being his teams top faceoff threat. I've never seen faceoff stats for the NCAA, but in the games I watched he consistently dominated in the faceoff circle.

STLBLUES44 07-26-2012 01:15 PM

Reilly Smith hands down. Has 25-30 goal potential and is defensively responsible. Killed penalties for Miami this year. also went through a drought where the team overall was struggling he easily could've had 40 goals this year

Mr Misty 07-26-2012 02:36 PM

I got Reilly Smith here. I don't know what everybody sees in Eakin, but I hope he meets the expectations posters here have for him.

Frozen Failure 07-26-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 52990423)
I got Reilly Smith here. I don't know what everybody sees in Eakin, but I hope he meets the expectations posters here have for him.

I'm going to vote for Guptill or Ritchie or Glennie before I vote for Reilly Smith.

LatvianTwist 07-26-2012 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 52990423)
I got Reilly Smith here. I don't know what everybody sees in Eakin, but I hope he meets the expectations posters here have for him.

Most are picking Eakin because at the absolute worst, he's an average 3rd line center. Probably the safest prospect in our pool ATM.

txomisc 07-26-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LatvianTwist (Post 52991311)
Most are picking Eakin because at the absolute worst, he's an average 3rd line center. Probably the safest prospect in our pool ATM.

I could very easily see him have a Toby Petersen type career

txomisc 07-26-2012 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frozen Failure (Post 52991309)
I'm going to vote for Guptill or Ritchie or Glennie before I vote for Reilly Smith.

58 goals in his last 2 years of college didnt impress you?

BigG44 07-26-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by txomisc (Post 52992457)
58 goals in his last 2 years of college didnt impress you?

Just being devils advocate here because I'm a Reilly Smith fan, but if that argument works then Austin Smith would be in the discussion too and likely considered higher than Reilly. NCAA production isn't the end all be all in prospects IMO.

I think it's fair to say those 3 players he mentioned along with Reilly Smith are all very impressive, and it wouldn't be a major knock on any of them to rate one higher than the other.

txomisc 07-26-2012 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigG44 (Post 52995639)
Just being devils advocate here because I'm a Reilly Smith fan, but if that argument works then Austin Smith would be in the discussion too and likely considered higher than Reilly. NCAA production isn't the end all be all in prospects IMO.

I think it's fair to say those 3 players he mentioned along with Reilly Smith are all very impressive, and it wouldn't be a major knock on any of them to rate one higher than the other.

Austin Smith scored 36 goals as a 23 year old senior in the ECAC.
Reilly Smith scored 30 goals as a 20 year old junior (austin only scored 10 as a junior) in the CCHA. Two year totals Reilly Smith 58 goals Austin Smith 46. Reilly Smiths performances blows Austins out of the water.


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