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the watcher 07-26-2012 10:00 PM

The Best Late Round Gems of the NHL Entry Draft 03-07
 
http://thehockeywriters.com/the-best...-03-07-drafts/

Very interesting article. Shows how great our drafting was with sergei, jaro, steit and grabo, although all 4 are no longer with us :(

Mrb1p 07-26-2012 10:08 PM

We have the most of the late gems :)

Grabo-Kosty
Streit
Halak

Vanek20 07-26-2012 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 53012679)
We have the most of the late gems :)

Grabo-Kosty
Streit
Halak

And noone is still with us...yayy :handclap:

:facepalm:

Teufelsdreck 07-26-2012 10:38 PM

Markov was a still more valuable buried treasure.

Habs 07-26-2012 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 53012679)
We have the most of the late gems :)

Grabo-Kosty
Streit
Halak

We do?

Mrb1p 07-26-2012 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Habs (Post 53014429)
We do?

We had*

WeThreeKings 07-27-2012 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 53012679)
We have the most of the late gems :)

Grabo-Kosty
Streit
Halak

Grabovski traded for 2nd round pick and Greg Pateryn.
2nd round pick was traded for Robert Lang.
Robert Lang left as a free agent after 1 season.

Sergei Kostitsyn was traded for Dustin Boyd and Dan Ellis.
Dan Ellis never signed with us.
Dustin Boyd left for Europe after 1 season with us with most of the time being in the AHL.

Streit left as a free agent because they wouldn't play him on D.

Halak was traded for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz.

Grabovski, S. Kostitsyn, Streit, Halak for Eller, Pateryn and Schultz.

You wonder why I hate our former management.

DAChampion 07-27-2012 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeThreeKings (Post 53023303)
Grabovski traded for 2nd round pick and Greg Pateryn.
2nd round pick was traded for Robert Lang.
Robert Lang left as a free agent after 1 season.

Sergei Kostitsyn was traded for Dustin Boyd and Dan Ellis.
Dan Ellis never signed with us.
Dustin Boyd left for Europe after 1 season with us with most of the time being in the AHL.

Streit left as a free agent because they wouldn't play him on D.

Halak was traded for Lars Eller and Ian Schultz.

Grabovski, S. Kostitsyn, Streit, Halak for Eller, Pateryn and Schultz.

You wonder why I hate our former management.

Eller is a good player, I like him.

Robert Lang was a good player. What you're doing is reducing his contribution to zero, but that's only because of his injury. Robert Lang was beast in 2008-09, 39 points in 50 games, which is the worst season that I can recall as a Habs for injuries. We were a legitimate Stanley Cup contender at the start of 2008-09, and strengthening that by giving up Grabovski was a good move.

Pateryn has bottom pairing potential.

HabsIslesFan 07-27-2012 10:11 AM

http://betweenthebenches.com/?p=1783

A closer look at the recent mismanagement of the Habs

Jigger77 07-27-2012 10:16 AM

Those guys are good hockey players, but calling them late round gems is a bit strong.

HardcoreHab 07-27-2012 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Jigger77 (Post 53025473)
Those guys are good hockey players, but calling them late round gems is a bit strong.

Digging out an everyday strong contributor in the bottom rounds is a gem every time.

Gabe84 07-27-2012 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jigger77 (Post 53025473)
Those guys are good hockey players, but calling them late round gems is a bit strong.

Drafting a Grabovski in the late 1st round isn't so bad. Drafting him in the 5th round is very, very good. Definitely a steal.

Let's not even talk about Halak and Streit, who are both among the best at their position and drafted in the 9th round.

WeThreeKings 07-27-2012 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAChampion (Post 53023735)
Eller is a good player, I like him.

Robert Lang was a good player. What you're doing is reducing his contribution to zero, but that's only because of his injury. Robert Lang was beast in 2008-09, 39 points in 50 games, which is the worst season that I can recall as a Habs for injuries. We were a legitimate Stanley Cup contender at the start of 2008-09, and strengthening that by giving up Grabovski was a good move.

Pateryn has bottom pairing potential.

If you look at that trade we lost a 2nd line center, 2nd line winger, top 4 defenseman, a legit #1 goalie.

The only thing of value we got out of that was Lars Eller. One half a season of Robert Lang, injury or not, is not justifiable. Losing Streit and trading Sergei for nothing is unforgivable. Halak trade was the only good trade of them all.

Whitesnake 07-27-2012 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAChampion (Post 53023735)
Eller is a good player, I like him.

Robert Lang was a good player. What you're doing is reducing his contribution to zero, but that's only because of his injury. Robert Lang was beast in 2008-09, 39 points in 50 games, which is the worst season that I can recall as a Habs for injuries. We were a legitimate Stanley Cup contender at the start of 2008-09, and strengthening that by giving up Grabovski was a good move.

Pateryn has bottom pairing potential.

Why would Chicago send Lang for a 2nd rounder? A Chicago who ended up losing in the 3rd round and 104 regular season points despite the "loss". Despite a good season till the injury, we can totally see that Lang was going towards the end of his career. And at the time of the trade, the bet that Lang was a definite piece to go for the Cup was a stretch. But he did good. Yet, the end-result is that, again, we've patched a hole for 1 season by giving a guy that will end up playing 10. And 10 good seasons. We did acquire a 38-year old guy at the time right? And the point is not even that. We didn't give Grabs the icetime he deserved to show what he could do. We clearly mismanaged a lot of players without giving them enough time to justify themselves. Isn't it clear enough that when you have the best head scout in the business with the best record out of 30 teams and the only good thing you can say is that we do make the playoffs quite often....yet, how many years were we real contender? Management screwed up Timmins work. Plain and simple.

DAChampion 07-27-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whitesnake (Post 53029355)
Why would Chicago send Lang for a 2nd rounder? A Chicago who ended up losing in the 3rd round and 104 regular season points despite the "loss". Despite a good season till the injury, we can totally see that Lang was going towards the end of his career. And at the time of the trade, the bet that Lang was a definite piece to go for the Cup was a stretch. But he did good. Yet, the end-result is that, again, we've patched a hole for 1 season by giving a guy that will end up playing 10. And 10 good seasons. We did acquire a 38-year old guy at the time right? And the point is not even that. We didn't give Grabs the icetime he deserved to show what he could do. We clearly mismanaged a lot of players without giving them enough time to justify themselves. Isn't it clear enough that when you have the best head scout in the business with the best record out of 30 teams and the only good thing you can say is that we do make the playoffs quite often....yet, how many years were we real contender? Management screwed up Timmins work. Plain and simple.

2008-09 was not a tanking year. We had just finished first in the conference and lost to Philadelphia in a close series. Gainey was going for the Stanley cup that year, and we all thought it was a legitimate possibility fpr the 100th season until it turned into a disaster, with Lapierre-Kostopoulos-Latendresse being our 1st offensive line for a stretch of 20 games.

Lang played great here. We needed him more than cap-starved Chicago. As it stands without Lang we would not have made the playoffs that year. If it hadn't been such a disaster, we might say "without Lang we would not have won the cup that year".

Sometimes GMs have to take risks. Without risks you never win it all. Lang was a good risk. The 2008 offseason was the best season in which to take risks. Gainey added Lang, Tanguay, and Laraque. Mats Sundin and Marian Hossa didn't want to come here. It was a good call but then we had an injury-filled year, and Carbonneau's only counterstrategy was to try wearing lucky ties and to take the team bowling.

By the way it is impossible to properly manage every player. There are only 6 top-6 forward spots. Some players will get the opportunity to succeed, and some won't.

Kenny Powders 07-27-2012 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe84 (Post 53028145)

Let's not even talk about Halak and Streit, who are both among the best at their position and drafted in the 9th round.

N word please .....

Streit is nowhere near top 20 d-man in the league.
Halak cant play more than 45 games a season.

People are get carried away for nothing here. 2 Injury-prone players.

Jigger77 07-27-2012 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HardcoreHab (Post 53026735)
Digging out an everyday strong contributor in the bottom rounds is a gem every time.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe84 (Post 53028145)
Drafting a Grabovski in the late 1st round isn't so bad. Drafting him in the 5th round is very, very good. Definitely a steal.

Let's not even talk about Halak and Streit, who are both among the best at their position and drafted in the 9th round.

True.

But some are making it sound like we gave up on Zetterberg. That to me is a stand out late round gem. And we have one in Markov like someone mentioned.

But yeah, agreed anyone who becomes a regular contributor from the late rounds is considered a steal and it does show that the Habs drafted well.

I'm just not convinced I'd want any of those guys on my team at the moment.

Gabe84 07-27-2012 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenny Powders (Post 53030005)
Streit is nowhere near top 20 d-man in the league.
Halak cant play more than 45 games a season.

People are get carried away for nothing here. 2 Injury-prone players.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1237411

Might just be the people from HFBoards but still not bad. He's getting recognition from all fan bases.

I'm not usually one to praise Halak, but he's a starting goalie for sure. The NHL is the best league in the world. He won the Jennings this year. So yes, he's one of the best at his position. Drafted in the 9th round. He's a gem.

Mrb1p 07-27-2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe84 (Post 53030487)
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1237411

Might just be the people from HFBoards but still not bad. He's getting recognition from all fan bases.

I'm not usually one to praise Halak, but he's a starting goalie for sure. The NHL is the best league in the world. He won the Jennings this year. So yes, he's one of the best at his position. Drafted in the 9th round. He's a gem.

This list is ridiculous.

Subban gets no love.

Subban should be in the top 15.

DAChampion 07-27-2012 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 53048733)
This list is ridiculous.

Subban gets no love.

Subban should be in the top 15.

Subban isn't a late round gem. He was drafted in the 2nd round like Shea Weber was.

Prairie Habs 07-27-2012 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAChampion (Post 53048815)
Subban isn't a late round gem. He was drafted in the 2nd round like Shea Weber was.

He quoted a link for top 50 D.

Gabe84 07-27-2012 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mrb1p (Post 53048733)
This list is ridiculous.

Subban gets no love.

Subban should be in the top 15.

Subban still needs to solidify his reputation at this point. Fair ranking IMO.

As much as I love him, based on last season and on a short term basis, he's where he belongs imo

Habs 07-28-2012 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAChampion (Post 53023735)
Eller is a good player, I like him.

Robert Lang was a good player. What you're doing is reducing his contribution to zero, but that's only because of his injury. Robert Lang was beast in 2008-09, 39 points in 50 games, which is the worst season that I can recall as a Habs for injuries. We were a legitimate Stanley Cup contender at the start of 2008-09, and strengthening that by giving up Grabovski was a good move.

Pateryn has bottom pairing potential.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...=robert%20lang

Anyone remember this, and the hell I took for posting Robert Lang in the urban dictionary?

Lang :

Quote:

Definition #2 : The art of pulling a "Lang", where you do very little but manage to benefit from the hard work of others.

Definition #2 : The art of succeeding in the 20th century with a Mullet, a hairstyle that hasn't been socially accepted since 1993.
Example 1 : Alex Kovalev pulled a "Lang" last night and scored his first goal in 9 games.

Example 2 : The new guy at work totally Lang'd his way up the corporate ladder.

Prairie Habs 07-28-2012 01:57 AM

Also from urban dictionary...

Habs:

Derogetory term for a hockey team.
Used to imply a homosexual prescence in the teams locker room.




Lang + prospect for a second was a good trade for us at the time.

overlords 07-28-2012 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gabe84 (Post 53052419)
Subban still needs to solidify his reputation at this point. Fair ranking IMO.

As much as I love him, based on last season and on a short term basis, he's where he belongs imo

There's no way that Subban is below McDo, then, if we're ranking young D lower because of 'short term basis' or whatever that's supposed to mean. He is indeed lower ranked on this list that he should be, but it's an HF popularity contest, can't expect much more than that.


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